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I wish I hadn't read that lmao. Whatever inkling of respect I had for The Observer (as a writer) went straight down the toilet. He just sounds so damn pretentious in his responses.
I like how no one was having even that very mild callout of his unprofessionalism. I'm not sure if that person was walking on eggshells or just too polite to say "this isn't your personal fanfiction, you've got to deal with the gays and write to more than your OC and your attitude when people ask you to be a team player is embarrassing" but that sort of attitude along with just flat-out not liking his style has steered me away from his content.

Like imagine writing a generic daddy issues wolf boy and acting like refusing to do any m/m scenes with him is ~an issue of artistic integrity~. Just admit that it squicks you out and ask Wsan to write them, jeez.
 

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Is it just me, or the party tab look like it has space for just one more party member?
 

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I like how no one was having even that very mild callout of his unprofessionalism. I'm not sure if that person was walking on eggshells or just too polite to say "this isn't your personal fanfiction, you've got to deal with the gays and write to more than your OC and your attitude when people ask you to be a team player is embarrassing" but that sort of attitude along with just flat-out not liking his style has steered me away from his content.

Like imagine writing a generic daddy issues wolf boy and acting like refusing to do any m/m scenes with him is ~an issue of artistic integrity~. Just admit that it squicks you out and ask Wsan to write them, jeez.
I myself like Kiyoko's content, but Kinu's really gets on my nerves, which is why i never waste my time with her, now, about the writers them selves, i had heard about how unprofessional some of them where and how they would talk shit, be rude, or just ignore people that gave their opinions about the content of the game, i agree with you, this is a product and to sell it to the most amout of people you need to fit the product to said people's tastes and fuck your opinion's about how, why and where things should be, fuck, as it was always said, THE COSTUMER IS GOD, the content creators of COC2 is one of the reasons i'm never gonna suport or buy this game, i like COC, i think it's a fun game, for the 1 or 2 hours of gameplay after a new patch and that's all.

Seriously, we all should just ignore the shit we don't like and play the ones we like and ignore the big can of worms that the creators and their opinions are.

Is it just me, or the party tab look like it has space for just one more party member?
That's for event characters, like some dungeons or quests that you get and a guest character helps you and also for summons
 

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Played through the game as a Black Mage, thinking about trying a new class. Which class would you guys say is the most OP?
 

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I've tried this on and off and while it is nice and similar to the first one, my biggest complaint is the character development. In the first game you could be good and evil and this game feels like it's mostly only good and chaotic good. I don't mind being good, It was initially how I played the first game till I did all the content for that path but it kind of felt like an entirely different game when playing as evil and the fact that this doesn't really represent that kinda sucks.
 
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I myself like Kiyoko's content, but Kinu's really gets on my nerves, which is why i never waste my time with her, now, about the writers them selves, i had heard about how unprofessional some of them where and how they would talk shit, be rude, or just ignore people that gave their opinions about the content of the game, i agree with you, this is a product and to sell it to the most amout of people you need to fit the product to said people's tastes and fuck your opinion's about how, why and where things should be, fuck, as it was always said, THE COSTUMER IS GOD, the content creators of COC2 is one of the reasons i'm never gonna suport or buy this game, i like COC, i think it's a fun game, for the 1 or 2 hours of gameplay after a new patch and that's all.

Seriously, we all should just ignore the shit we don't like and play the ones we like and ignore the big can of worms that the creators and their opinions are.



That's for event characters, like some dungeons or quests that you get and a guest character helps you and also for summons
This would've been remedied [for some] if there was a way to make Kinu your concubine.... really wanted to see that content....
 

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This would've been remedied [for some] if there was a way to make Kinu your concubine.... really wanted to see that content....
I find that dificult to happen, with incest being banned on patreon and i think the observer actually hates the idea, stuck up bitch that he is, savin is also a bitch about this kind of thing, he made Helia on COC1 and went full bitchy when people started to ask for a sexual relationship with helspawn

I myself would never want to sex Kinu, i just find the way she interacts with the PC to be a pain, especially in a society based on imperial japan, where men had so much power, of course, being based on it doesn`t translated fully to the game, also, the first time you ask about her lover\fiance she gets all bitchy, i would seriously bitch slap my daughter for talking to me like that, even more so because you just ask about the guy and say noting more, in the end i hate the fact that we lost child kinu, the older version of her sucks, also why can't i interact with all my children?? i fucked Kiyoko because i wanted to field both sides of a sports event for gods sake
 
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Honestly the Kiyoko storyline has ruined me. Whenever a new updates rolls in, i download it and all i do is spend time with my kitsune family. Then after about an hour i stop, rush the new content and anxiously wait for the next update to somehow have more kiyoko content.


tl;dr: there is literally no topping my kitsune slutwife
I'm with you there, somehow the wholesomeness of her and the Kitsune Den really speaks to a deeper element of fantasy beyond the other outrageous stuff in COC2. Some of us just are into that kind of thing. Also she's in large almost completely opposite of Cait who people complain about cucking the MC.

While Kiyoko is the slutwife she's pretty set on the MC being the one and only plus how her body changes as she has more pregnancies + being able to mold Kinu's general personality is great. The idea of sleeping and entering some akin to an upper class Japanese resort where you greet your kid, spend time with the wife (don't even have to bang, you can just chat) before heading back out is a nice touch.
 
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So I have been "talking" with Kinu, and I have to say, I just do not see most annoyances people have with her. I mean, yeah, her getting together with someone seconds after exiting the plane is jarring to say the least, but at least listening to her talking about Nakano is cute. And Nakano talking about her is also one of few times I can actually see what she sees in him.

And she does not feel antoganistic at all.She talks to you with respect (at least in Hime route) and only feels weirdded out or annoyed when you get somewhat "creepy". Like when you are checking her out since appearently my PC always looks like she is ready to get her rocks off. Which to be fair, Is how I would look if I was born in that world.
I feel that the problem with her is that she is grown up daughter in sex game, so yeah, it kind of sucks that you can go all incest on her. Which I would probably choose if she was an option. But I do find the contreversly hilarious here. You can feel the teasing that Observer writes in some her grown up scenes but at same time, I can respect that. He knows what people expect from us, so he launches some light jabs.And art of her does not help and it makes me hungry for oyakoden.
Some people find it dickish, and from reading about the drama here, I can understand why. But as someone who does not care about it and does not have any personal gripes with him, I just find it all hilarious. And honestly, if this brings out discussion, I do not mind talking with people here.
 
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So I have been "talking" with Kinu, and I have to say, I just do not see most annoyances people have with her. I mean, yeah, her getting together with someone seconds after exiting the plane is jarring to say the least, but at least listening to her talking about Nakano is cute. And Nakano talking about her is also one of few times I can actually see what she sees in him.
In my opinion, she just doesn't do anything interesting or give me any reason to really care. She's not particularly attached to the PC, we're not really given any reason to feel emotionally attached to her past being told we're meant to be, we have basically zero input on her as an adult character or ability to roleplay around her, she's just kind of there.
Forcing long pov story scenes focused on this character we don't give a shit about going through events we also don't give a shit about is just obnoxious. Particularly when in one path they end up with possibly the least likable NPC in the entire game, who has absolutely nothing compelling in his writing in the slightest and is effectively just a shitty samurai stereotype.

The whole thing is just a bit off for side content with a major time skip. Would probably work better if it was the main romance in a story, but when she's your 30th kid and her mother is one of 20 women you regularly hook up with while you regularly wander around screwing demons and ruining lives it just rings a bit false, to me. It's kind of true for all of that content though, it's like it was written for a set PC and anyone different was just completely ignored.

Should have just aged her up a few years or something, so we can see the impact we had, while keeping her a recognisable character instead of someone completely different to the point of effectively being a whole new NPC.

It's just weird content for a game so completely focused on customization.
 

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In my opinion, she just doesn't do anything interesting or give me any reason to really care. She's not particularly attached to the PC, we're not really given any reason to feel emotionally attached to her past being told we're meant to be, we have basically zero input on her as an adult character or ability to roleplay around her, she's just kind of there.
I feel like, if you have interacted with her while she was your little girl, you get enough reason to care for her. Especially with events such as her being sick or her interaction with you when you play with her or give her food. The feeling of not being able to role play around her when she grows up is one I can get behind. But I feel that is feeling can be expanded to the rest of the game. Your PC is not really you to begin with. You are not really being able to roleplay. Which I mean, sucks, since this game is DND inspired (what is not these days). But at same time, I will give Observer some credit. You interacting with her as a little girl has a lot of variation and it does have many decisions that do impact dialogue and it does lead her to take one of 2 paths.

The whole thing is just a bit off for side content with a major time skip. Would probably work better if it was the main romance in a story, but when she's your 30th kid and her mother is one of 20 women you regularly hook up with while you regularly wander around screwing demons and ruining lives it just rings a bit false, to me. It's kind of true for all of that content though, it's like it was written for a set PC and anyone different was just completely ignored.
With your last part I somewhat agree. This is one of few porn games where I do feel kind of weird and guilty for promising my love to a lot of women and some men. But I only propose to men when I can live out my fundashi fantasies). But at same time, It does kind of empower you. You are so good at dicking down, that half of the people you fuck just can not get you out of your head. Even the sluties of girl such Cait and Elthara can not help but toot your horn while fucking other people. Hell you are so good, that Brint, the perfect bro and polyamory husband, praises you on how you are compareble/better to Cait, the priestes of sex god, even if you did not touch him. You emit such sexual arua that imagining sex with you is already better then having sex then with most people. And other half give up on fucking anyone else but you (Kiyoko and Brienne as most popular examples). Which is basic as sexual fantasies goes, but why fix what is not broken.

And while it is true that if you do not care about Kiyoko that much, all of those declarations of love can feel kind of empty. But that can be said for a lot of characters in this game. If you do not care about them, you will feel disonence with the game since PC, as we established, is much of a character themselves (somewhat incosistant but what can you do) as anyone else. Not best for roleplaying but it does its job in my opinion.
And I for one love Kiyoko in this game. A classy aristocratic girl that is strict yet cares for you kids children, keeps up her royal image for everyone else but really only opens up to you (heh) and shows her more carnal side. That of natural born mother that is always ready to birth more of your children. And even despite your difference in statues, you both see each other as equals and lovers (especially if your PC is a warrior or comes from slums. ). I especially love taling with her and I find her interaction with my Futa PC one of the sweetest yet entertaining in the game. Her drunken bath scene is so sweet. Especially if you refuse to have sex with her.

And when it comes to Kinu as a child, I am sorry, but she is not compareble to rest of your children. Almost every other child you make or birth just end up being of another stat. Which I think is the best because I, like most men and some women, have impregnation and pregnancy fetish, but caring for children is not really something most of us care for. Which does make me somewhat contradict myself by saying that I enjoy spending time with Kinu at both stages of life. But she is exception.
And her being only child that you can interact with that is not part of other characters scene is nice. Which makes her more unique.

Should have just aged her up a few years or something, so we can see the impact we had, while keeping her a recognisable character instead of someone completely different to the point of effectively being a whole new NPC.
This is where I disagree with you most. Sure she changed, but it makes sense, at least in hime route. She still keeps a lot of her manerism and Is polite as ever. She just acts more mature, but still keeps a lot of her childlike mannerism.

In the end it sucks that we can not go all alabama with her, but I just can not see eye to eye with people. Now excuse me, I have to have sex with one of my many wives.
 
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I feel like, if you have interacted with her while she was your little girl, you get enough reason to care for her. Especially with events such as her being sick or her interaction with you when you play with her or give her food.
And as a child I might agree, but she's not identifiably the same person at all as an adult. I have no connection to this character, past being told that my character cares (which they shouldn't, if I'm doing a corrupted run). The content with her as a kid is mostly fine, I don't take any issue with it really, outside still just being lacking in options for corrupted people.

She's not really the players child, you can't rely on an assumption that we'll just automatically care in a story. You also can't give us this assumption that we care and want to be involved in their life, and then give us no real ability to actually be involved in their life in any meaningful way.

I also don't find her hime route compelling at all, frankly. She just comes across as kind of snotty and boring, like a shittier version of her mother except without any of the effort into the personal connection her mother has with you. There's not really any interesting conflicts in her character or anything to make me care. She then proceeds to get into a relationship with probably the worst character in the entire game, which I have zero input on and am expected to read about and be happy with anyway, despite him persistently just being awful to the PC.

And when it comes to Kinu as a child, I am sorry, but she is not compareble to rest of your children. Almost every other child you make or birth just end up being of another stat.
Right, which is an issue with how she's written considering the context of the rest of the game. Why am I supposed to care more about this child than my other dozens of children who I never visit? Why would I care to see her pov of things if I treat her the same way we're expected to treat all the other children? Why give us her pov when it contributes nothing to the story and we have zero influence on it anyway? Is she the main character?

I don't really care about the incest side of things (heresy, I know), but all of her writing relies way too hard on telling us how we feel, rather than letting us choose how we feel based on the content.

Also, on a side note, I was reading up on Kinu a bit while writing this and found this delightful TOB quote.

"People in that range are often very lonely because they're simply unable to communicate effectively with the vast majority of people around them -- talking to someone outside of a 30 IQ band from you is nigh-impossible if you're not making a dedicated effort to do so or if your intelligence is low on the verbal spectrum. There's a saying in the circles I run in that the king's job is to translate the wizard's mad ramblings into policy that his subjects can understand"

I'd add something witty to this, but I feel like it does it best by itself lol.
 
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