Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Nidabutt]

Hmm. That bugs me.
That's a paddlin'

Spoiler: summary of feedback

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There's a person talking about Lane, and how that concept was done better.

I've some feedback.
I'll go a step further and say that there's multiple characters who offer more choice in engagement of addiction, mind control, and general will manipulation. Every time this type of idea is broached across two games prior to CoC2

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And then we come to CoC2.
Kalysea exhibits many of the same flaws every character in CoC2 has.

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And don't get me started on companions.

• When the PC is addicted to Marble's milk? Multiple characters show concern and personality. Izma gets downright hostile
• When Lane is siphoning the PC's funds? Multiple characters can be the one to start the intervention.
• When Alexandria is mind controlling the PC? You have to deliberately seal them in their quarters to stop them from interrupting.

You have married wives in your entourage. Yet nobody does anything.

Funny joke, Savin.

A character who holds 100% of the power 100% of the time? I haven't seen that before. In another year or so we'll get futa-doomme #8 and the cycle will repeat itself.

You'll note that 0% of my personal grievances have anything to do with de-dicking or turning Kalysea into a sub.
Edit: Huh. Didn't realize I had that much to say.

Quite a lot to unpack with this post but I'll reply to some bits of it.

1. The 99% of the feedback is about her having a dick bit obviously wasn't literal. I wasn't referring toward actual feedback on Kaly but it was pretty vague so I definitely get why it might be taken that way (there's actually been some interesting ideas sometimes posted here) but more the attitude that I see of people disliking characters with dicks (especially if dominant) for simply having them in the first place. You see these comments after every patch that includes one. For example, I do not ever interact with subby NPCs because it's not my thing, but I don't complain whenever a new subby NPC is released, despite the fact it would be preferable for me if they were dominant instead.

2. Collecting the feedback in a condensed form is actually quite handy thanks.

3. Kaly's story arc is absolutely not finished yet, so the idea of the PC regaining control is still on the cards. Actually very important to point this out tbh, there is a lot of future content planned for her that will fill in most of the gaps people have been talking about, it just: A - it's expensive, it takes me a long time to save up for it, B - it's time consuming for Wsan so he has to make sure his schedule is cleared up with enough free time and he's in the right mindset (so he doesn't burn out writing a shit ton of Kaly content in one go) to take on the next big update for her.

4. There were plans to have more humanizing elements for Kaly originally but they didn't make the cut for her first big patch due to a mix of budget problems and some complications with extra SFW scenes.

5. I'd love to involve companions more with Kalysea, both for NSFW content and SFW interactions, especially as Kaly influences the PC more. However, I was very sad to encounter a lot of walls regarding companions, effectly from what I understand each companion is 'overseen' by a writer and so that writer needs to be consulted for content involving them which makes things very complicated and annoying to sort.


In conclusion, most of this feedback has been addressed in plans, it's just a matter of time and hoping that companions can get more involved now that Kaly has been implanted a little more deeply into CoC2 as a more prominent character. I think there was probably initially concern from the team about integrating Kaly with other companions as she was effectively an OC being plopped into the game, I can understand why they might be hesitant at first but I'm sure things will be different now she's all settled in.

Hope this explains thing, if I missed anything important just give me another poke about it.

 

[Nidabutt]

Man this is such a well put together post. Unfortunately, I really doubt Nida will ever acknowledge it because it'd be admitting to being wrong.

Oof, this didn't age well.

 

[Nidabutt]

Quintillus is my favorite character. Kalysea would be my second favorite character if i could actively remove her from my game like i can Quintillus. Perhaps even a cameo where she's floating face-down in a river. Thank you deeply to the commissioner for spending half his walmart wage to make this game just a bit shittier.

Funny comment but there's obviously actual deep resentment of the character here, can you explain why? She is written outside of Wsan's work on CoC2 and can be immediately disabled before engaging with her so she has no impact on your game. If you have an option to completely remove content you dislike from the game how can you still be so angry about it? Do you see why it seems very strange?

 

[jfmherokiller]

Great I'll try that thanks.

Oh wait I was wrong atleast based upon the wiki.

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[BMVV]

5. I'd love to involve companions more with Kalysea

Great. Another writer that wants to try to ruin and taint existing characters with their oc and then have that posted on the front page for everybody to see.

Oof, this didn't age well.

and then you barely addressed anything. At least you actually acknowledged the post's existence. I'll give you that.

 

[ara1111]

However, I was very sad to encounter a lot of walls regarding companions, effectly from what I understand each companion is 'overseen' by a writer and so that writer needs to be consulted for content involving them which makes things very complicated and annoying to sort.

Oh that explains why only Evelynn and like random minotaurs have scenes involving them or you and them and its specifically just Ryn and Cait errytime.
I'd like more scenes like that, threesomes and such

 

[Nidabutt]

Great. Another writer that wants to try to ruin and taint existing characters with their oc and then have that posted on the front page for everybody to see.


and then you barely addressed anything. At least you actually acknowledged the post's existence. I'll give you that.

Kaly is my OC, written by Wsan, I'm confused what you mean by 'another writer that wants to try to ruin existing characters with their oc'.

I would have liked to address more, as it's a well thought out post I admit, but it's late here and I need to sleep, I just wanted to reply to it since I missed it for a while, I don't check in here super often. I'll probably go back and edit it to be a little better tomorrow. The long story short of it is simply that a lot of those holes are there because she isn't a finished character. The issue is she's being compared to actual companions who have a ton of stuff put into their backstories which are generally quite fleshed out. Kaly right now has very, very little development which was going to be a big part of her next update, Wsan did a lovely job with her sex scenes in my opinion but I would have like a little more character building and SFW content, I've considered writing some little scenes myself (going on little 'dates' to learn more about her while picking flowers, petting cute animals, etc...). I think people will quite like what I have planned for her but we just have to wait for now sadly, with no ETA.

 

[EchoofZen]

She is written outside of Wsan's work on CoC2 and can be immediately disabled before engaging with her so she has no impact on your game. If you have an option to completely remove content you dislike from the game how can you still be so angry about it? Do you see why it seems very strange?

Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race (heh!), on account of being the target audience for Wsan's writing, but this is something that always bugged me. And something you don't seem to get from the post you quoted: I don't want to abstain or avoid something, I want to AFFECT it.

Mid-mindcontrol having the MC pull the sword out and stabbing, ala Kalysea fucking around and finding out would be a great option to have.
Not 'Nah, not interest' followed by her disappearing into nothing or 'Time to gurgle her balls, FOREVER!'.

The issue is she's being compared to actual companions who have a ton of stuff put into their backstories which are generally quite fleshed out.

No, it's not. The issue is about the general direction of the content, not the amount of content.

 

[Nidabutt]

Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race (heh!), on account of being the target audience for Wsan's writing, but this is something that always bugged me. And something you don't seem to get from the post you quoted: I don't want to abstain or avoid something, I want to AFFECT it.

Mid-mindcontrol having the MC pull the sword out and stabbing, ala Kalysea fucking around and finding out would be a great option to have.
Not 'Nah, not interest' followed by her disappearing into nothing or 'Time to gurgle her balls, FOREVER!'.

No, it's not. The issue is about the general direction of the content, not the amount of content.

Well I think you will be quite happy with the future direction then. Again, don't wanna spoil things or even hint at anything anymore because plans shift depending on what works and what doesn't with the team. Some stuff I've said in the past is still planned, other things have changed. The 'direction' of her current content is the bad end, but that's a bad end and not the canon ending, the canon path with Kaly is what will be expanded on.

I had actually intended to have other outs for the PC during her content but I was told it wasn't worth the effort of adding basically, I did intend to have the option to tap out during her initial series of scenes but that was never added.

 

[GokutheG]

Well I think you will be quite happy with the future direction then. Again, don't wanna spoil things or even hint at anything anymore because plans shift depending on what works and what doesn't with the team. Some stuff I've said in the past is still planned, other things have changed. The 'direction' of her current content is the bad end, but that's a bad end and not the canon ending, the canon path with Kaly is what will be expanded on.

I had actually intended to have other outs for the PC during her content but I was told it wasn't worth the effort of adding basically, I did intend to have the option to tap out during her initial series of scenes but that was never added.

I am curious why was the bad end route the first introduction to the character?

 

[Sparks127]

I don't remember if I gave my two cents on Ryn at any point, and I don't feel like looking. I'm not one to whine about what sets of genitals a character has like so many here. I also don't have an elf fetish. That being said, I do like Ryn, just not as a sexual partner. I'd cuddle with her, chat with her, braid her hair. You know, girl stuff. Sure, we can be friends with benefits, but ultimately she would just stay a friend. I'm not so fragile to throw a fit over her finally getting her cage off and going to town on me like the penile virgin she is. If the game allowed (fucking wild that it doesn't yet, mayternity was absolutely barren this year) I would have been happy to give her an heir as her trusted friend and confidant.

 

[Nidabutt]

I am curious why was the bad end route the first introduction to the character?

The bad end exists as a fail state for the PC being completely consumed by their desires, it's quick and easy to implement compared to the more lengthy alternative. There was a point in development where Kaly was even intended to be a hostile NPC (still quite like the idea but stuck on how to implement it properly now), but we preferred this idea instead in the end as it was a little different to direct confrontation, this way the PC is willingly submitting and sinking into the bad end.

Edit: I should say that Kaly is clearly working toward -some- goal with the PC, as implied by her starting her own harem in the bad end (with the intent of taking their power too), it just isn't yet revealed. I will mention one important detail to explain a lot of her behaviour (and a hint for future story stuff):

She never mentions -who- forged her ring, and it's a fair assumption she's not exactly wealthy enough to afford those kind of services, so...

 

[Skandranon]

If she game allowed (fucking wild that it doesn't yet, mayternity was absolutely barren this year) I would have been happy to give her an heir as her trusted friend and confidant.

I think Savin said that that will be an endgame/epilogue thing.

 

[Walk Cycle]

Well I think you will be quite happy with the future direction then. Again, don't wanna spoil things or even hint at anything anymore because plans shift depending on what works and what doesn't with the team.

I would make a counterpoint and say you shouldn't spend comm money for anything approaching a murder fantasy like the stuff that people seem to suggest. I've dissed a lot of Tobs and Bubs content a long time ago but stopped because I realized most of their content are isolated and can be safely ignored (and If I do complain about them it's more on how Tobs writes World Walls and Bubs is just a general asshole). I would suggest to just have a instant delete button for Kaly post-cockring reveal.

 

[Nidabutt]

I would make a counterpoint and say you shouldn't spend comm money for anything approaching a murder fantasy like the stuff that people seem to suggest. I've dissed a lot of Tobs and Bubs content a long time ago but stopped because I realized most of their content are isolated and can be safely ignored (and If I do complain about them it's more on how Tobs writes World Walls and Bubs is just a general asshole). I would suggest to just have a instant delete button for Kaly post-cockring reveal.

Oh yes of course, I can get people wanting to do murderbone playthroughs on standard RPGs but this is a NSFW RPG, catering to players that want to murderbone all the NPCs in a NSFW game would be very odd.

I meant more regarding the point of players having agency and affecting things. Again, no spoilers because I still have to run a bunch of stuff by Wsan when he's ready to iron it all out, things will change from what I have in my head I'm just not sure to what extent. I maaaaaaay at some point post the ideas here though if I really can't decide on certain details, I just don't want to ruin the fun of people experiencing the story as intended, but maybe that's not such a big deal, idk.

 

[harem.king]

Kaly is my OC, written by Wsan

Out of curiosity, how much did you donate for this?

 

[GokutheG]

The bad end exists as a fail state for the PC being completely consumed by their desires, it's quick and easy to implement compared to the more lengthy alternative. There was a point in development where Kaly was even intended to be a hostile NPC (still quite like the idea but stuck on how to implement it properly now), but we preferred this idea instead in the end as it was a little different to direct confrontation, this way the PC is willingly submitting and sinking into the bad end.

Edit: I should say that Kaly is clearly working toward -some- goal with the PC, as implied by her starting her own harem in the bad end (with the intent of taking their power too), it just isn't yet revealed. I will mention one important detail to explain a lot of her behaviour (and a hint for future story stuff):

She never mentions -who- forged her ring, and it's a fair assumption she's not exactly wealthy enough to afford those kind of services, so...

Ahh so she was always meant to be an adversary? I thought she may have been like the blue giant guardian where you start as enemies because the peaceful route hasn't been implemented yet.

Like she bad ends you because she thinks that's the best way to complete her task and you'd get a way to show your abilities to possibly avoid that.

 

[mistress.ayin]

Kaly is my OC, written by Wsan, I'm confused what you mean by 'another writer that wants to try to ruin existing characters with their oc'.

I would have liked to address more, as it's a well thought out post I admit, but it's late here and I need to sleep, I just wanted to reply to it since I missed it for a while, I don't check in here super often. I'll probably go back and edit it to be a little better tomorrow. The long story short of it is simply that a lot of those holes are there because she isn't a finished character. The issue is she's being compared to actual companions who have a ton of stuff put into their backstories which are generally quite fleshed out. Kaly right now has very, very little development which was going to be a big part of her next update, Wsan did a lovely job with her sex scenes in my opinion but I would have like a little more character building and SFW content, I've considered writing some little scenes myself (going on little 'dates' to learn more about her while picking flowers, petting cute animals, etc...). I think people will quite like what I have planned for her but we just have to wait for now sadly, with no ETA.

Hi, and i don't have any intend to insult you, that's your decision, and your fetish, and i will respect, but imagine im your wife and every day i do some disrespectful action to you (that scenes sissy wsan created), do you indure that disrespectful actions from me ? Or imagine you hire me as a dominatrix, we have a safe word if i do action to hurt you, if i do more than that, the next time, you don't hire me, I don't have any problem with you. My problem is Wsan (why you choose this guy to write this commission for you, he has a mental illness, there was another writers too !), he created this character to revenge you (you it means the player, not you) like animal alpha dog with no respect to his (i use this world, because this character is a dry as a old fashion patriarch and like alpha dog and wanted to revenge and humiliate his partner like slut) partner.
My problem is Sissy Wsan, he is like a chainsaw cut the brain of the player, and player has no any option on that quest to say no or its enough you hurting me, im done with you! (only except from the beginning), he created another npc Octavia, and what different between this two octavia and kalysea, except of horsecock and revenge from the player ? The problem is if i want to kill kalysea or octavia (i prefer to kill kalysea and octavia from the beginning), from the beginning i have seen them, i can not. Because they do what the wsan (with his AI help ) wants to do, and we can not kill them.
Im not a writer, but in the computer i have enough knowledge to knows the difference between ai and a person, he (wsan) aided from ai, and some changes with his mind on the stories to creates new one.
And i have an argue with AI word, i do not know this name the artificial intelligence as a intellect one its a joke from the media and hollywood films, in my opinion we have no such things "the AI", we have the Smart Assisstant.

 

[mistress.ayin]

Oh yes of course, I can get people wanting to do murderbone playthroughs on standard RPGs but this is a NSFW RPG, catering to players that want to murderbone all the NPCs in a NSFW game would be very odd.

I meant more regarding the point of players having agency and affecting things. Again, no spoilers because I still have to run a bunch of stuff by Wsan when he's ready to iron it all out, things will change from what I have in my head I'm just not sure to what extent. I maaaaaaay at some point post the ideas here though if I really can't decide on certain details, I just don't want to ruin the fun of people experiencing the story as intended, but maybe that's not such a big deal, idk.

About RPG, this game is not rpg, at best condition its an adventure game, with a few character customize, this game dictate their own writer's will to the main character, its not an rpg, we untag this game from rpg in the f95.
If you want an rpg adult: Strive for Power 2 - Conquest.
And anyway you can use my Mod for CoC2 too, and im not a dictator like a Savin or a sick mind person like Wsan, i created an optional filter, you can filter Wsan scenes or not on my mod, plus you can make your champion strong and in the beginning you can choose 3 other races too.

 

[Azriel Satan]

its going to be a flag and runs I believe as a positive or negative number depending on which path you took.

I think you need to submit/fail to turn her to dom and you need to beat her in combat to turn her sub.

check under your FLAGS object for an arona flag that I think is either positive or negative 3.

Its 100 and -100. Any values between those are neutral.

/* Arona Dom */ flags.ARONA_SUBMISSION = -100;

/* Arona Sub */ flags.ARONA_SUBMISSION = 100;