Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[harem.king]

I think this game has a wide variety of problems, and pointing out any one thing as the cause of all of them is missing the point.

It is true it has a wide variety of problems.

But what I was addressing was a proposed solution which would make things worse rather than improve things.

Also, the whole point of being in charge is that it is ultimately your fault. "The buck stops here" as they say.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

You have it backwards.
In this game, the problem is the management not the writers.

savin is the top project manager. he is the man in charge of this game.

if you see a writer is writing anything other than dickgirl he is likely not even getting paid for their work and doing it just out of affection for the project.

So saying management needs to crack the whip on writers and make them start writing what management wants instead of what the writers want is completely backwards

But that doesn't address what I was talking about though. I spoke on consistency not whatever the subject matter was. Whether it is gods forbid 50, 75, or 100% women coming with their own side of sausage. It doesn't change how the champion shifts gears based on the writers. Nor how some of this stuff comes off as more fan faction for said writers. Unless Savin or whoever else themselves, are telling people to do it.

I also didn't say they needed to write what management wanted. Nor did I say I wanted it to be Savin or whoever else. I simply said that someone needs to come put the adult huggies on, because it ain't being done.

 

[jfmherokiller]

Tell other writers to write more guys bottoming. Thanks.

hell just write more men in general PLZ

You have it backwards.
In this game, the problem is the management not the writers.

savin is the top project manager. he is the man in charge of this game.

if you see a writer is writing anything other than dickgirl he is likely not even getting paid for their work and doing it just out of affection for the project.

So saying management needs to crack the whip on writers and make them start writing what management wants instead of what the writers want is completely backwards

ah so Savin is basicly a randy pitchford kind of person.

 

[The Permanent War Economy]

if you see a writer is writing anything other than dickgirl he is likely not even getting paid for their work and doing it just out of affection for the project.

Do they even pay most of the community writers? I think I remember seeing something about Jstar working on commission, but I also recall Aury stating he does it for free.

So I don’t think the general crowd really gets money funneled to them anyways.

 

[Yeppers34]

I mean i think at this point we can all agree that this "game" has failed at every aspect it's tried to achieve. It's failed at being a sequel, it's failed in making your character feel like they matter to the overall plot, it's failed in gameplay and hell it's failed in even feeling like a game anymore. Like when's the last time the story has actually even progressed they've spent more time doing commissions and making one off characters that they might as well just drop the game entirely and just make an AO3 account and post all their scenes there.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

I think to enjoy this game you have to do atleast one of 3 things:
1. Don´t try to self insert into the blob champ.
2. Be very open about your sexuality.
3. Or you just skip all content you don´t want to see (assuming it is properly telegraphed) and just pretend all the other content you couldn´t avoid or didn´t know about, just didn´t happen.

In other words dissociate real fucking hard lmao

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

What happens when you got too many cooks in the kitchen. Who all want to do their own dish. But no head chef to tighten shit up. Fully agree when it comes to "our" personality shifts.

Here's the thing bro, there are many games with multiple writers. The problem is that there isn't a proper leader, Savin is not cutout to be that guy; he's middle management at best, he's good at watch boundaries and social pressure, but has piss poor vision and foresight.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Makes it easy to write for, but terribly for roleplaying and inmmersion.
Maybe playing some defined "Joe" would help, but then you have 20 writers who all need to be kept in check to write around that personality. And we would need more than 1 character option.

One Solid character is enough, they have the frame work for making preferences through the parsers and traits system. Honestly the more I look at them and the systems they use the more I think incompetence and pettiness is plaguing the project. Which is weird because ppl are actually paying for this.

Removing character creation would alleviate issues. But the most glaring problem is the consistency. Even if we remove ourselves and play a predetermined or simple character. It would still require someone actually putting on the big boy undies and taking control. Making the writers keep things consistent. And to cutback on making their own personal fantasies.

Whether we get to go build-a-bear with a character. Or just get some random. Some writers are still gonna make us a dom, sub, strong, then bitch made. Depending on what they need for whatever they're writing.

And another thing is that having a solid character might make them look really stupid, think about it; they'll have to write actual character arcs for John Doe, flesh out character aspects, and create compelling character development moments for them. Do these ppl look like they're equipped for that? They barely have a leader.

 

[Yeppers34]

One Solid character is enough, they have the frame work for making preferences through the parsers and traits system. Honestly the more I look at them and the systems they use the more I think incompetence and pettiness is plaguing the project. Which is weird because ppl are actually paying for this.


And another thing is that having a solid character might make them look really stupid, think about it; they'll have to write actual character arcs for John Doe, flesh out character aspects, and create compelling character development moments for them. Do these ppl look like they're equipped for that? They barely have a leader.

And that's the crux of the issue there, like yes having a designated MC could help alleviate the issue of just having this amorphus blob of an MC that changes who they are to fit the situation we currently have but like you mentioned that would require them having to flesh out that character and develop them as the story progresses...which unfortunately there's no one like that on that team who could accomplish that. They've been allowed to coast along releasing these sub par updates for to long that I feel they're truly incapable of actually putting forth effort.

 

[GokutheG]

But that doesn't address what I was talking about though. I spoke on consistency not whatever the subject matter was. Whether it is gods forbid 50, 75, or 100% women coming with their own side of sausage. It doesn't change how the champion shifts gears based on the writers. Nor how some of this stuff comes off as more fan faction for said writers. Unless Savin or whoever else themselves, are telling people to do it.

I also didn't say they needed to write what management wanted. Nor did I say I wanted it to be Savin or whoever else. I simply said that someone needs to come put the adult huggies on, because it ain't being done.

I think the problem is that the mc IS written consistently. Consistent with what Savin and the writers want the champion to be. The champion is a bi/pan switch in the canon of the story. It's why no mater how dominant your champion is with one character they are also able to be a massive bottom to another because they are actually a switch. It's also why no matter how straight you might want him or how gay I want her they will always be written in a way where they are sexually attracted to someone you wouldn't want them to be.

I think that trying to keep the defeat scenes from being explicitly rape this is the path Savin took. ''It can't be rape if the mc is sexually into everyone.''

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

They've been allowed to coast along releasing these sub par updates for to long that I feel they're truly incapable of actually putting forth effort.

There are types of Ppl I have zero qualms with watching get executed: Simps and Whales, both stagnate and corrupt anything they are apart of. This Game project has an abundance of both, Legit read a post on the forum complaining that the game shit in all the ways we're all discussing and some moppet tries to blame the community submissions, I can't make this shit up.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

I think the problem is that the mc IS written consistently. Consistent with what Savin and the writers want the champion to be. The champion is a bi/pan switch in the canon of the story

Can I ask a question? Where or When is this stated in the story? Because it sounds like a cop-out if there ever was one, and if they want to control player sexuality why don't they just make a bloody character because many ppl don't like being shoehorned into liking dick or pussy.

 

[Yeppers34]

Can I ask a question? Where or When is this stated in the story? Because it sounds like a cop-out if there ever was one, and if they want to control player sexuality why don't they just make a bloody character because many ppl don't like being shoehorned into liking dick or pussy.

It's never really explicitly stated the MC is either a switch or bi but it's pretty obvious they are during some scenes. The MC will fuck a pussy with the same amount of gusto they would sucking a dick just like how in one instance you're turning a minotaur baker into an exhibitionist slut and the next they're getting amazoned pressed to death by a gilf kitsune

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

It's never really explicitly stated the MC is either a switch or bi but it's pretty obvious they are during some scenes. The MC will fuck a pussy with the same amount of gusto they would sucking a dick just like how in one instance you're turning a minotaur baker into an exhibitionist slut and the next they're getting amazoned pressed to death by a gilf kitsune

Ahh, different fucking writers that have no standard to follow so you can argue "Is it really is the same MC?" And you'd have solid ground to stand on, given how different they are written from person to person.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

It's never really explicitly stated the MC is either a switch or bi but it's pretty obvious they are during some scenes. The MC will fuck a pussy with the same amount of gusto they would sucking a dick just like how in one instance you're turning a minotaur baker into an exhibitionist slut and the next they're getting amazoned pressed to death by a gilf kitsune

Hell you don't even have to go as far as making choices. Sometimes.... no a lot of times. The normal text alone can have the champ eye fucking every penis within a 3 mile radius. Just straight basking in the smell/musk of dick and balls. And them writers be making sure the champ notices/comments on every single wrinkle in a sack. I mean just really read some of the text when a penis comes into his vicinity. Some of that shit goes far beyond just observation and description.

The champ is already deep in the closet. We as the players are the only thing holding them back. You cannot be straight in this game. Just repressed.

 

[Yeppers34]

Ahh, different fucking writers that have no standard to follow so you can argue "Is it really is the same MC?" And you'd have solid ground to stand on, given how different they are written from person to person.

Yep pretty much, while admittedly having more than one writer can help depending on the scale of a project it all really becomes a moot point when they're all doing their own thing and don't actually communicate with each other, which ultimately results in a MC that's wildly different for each scene they might as well be written as a character with DID

 

[icecreamman99]

I think the problem is that the mc IS written consistently. Consistent with what Savin and the writers want the champion to be. The champion is a bi/pan switch in the canon of the story. It's why no mater how dominant your champion is with one character they are also able to be a massive bottom to another because they are actually a switch. It's also why no matter how straight you might want him or how gay I want her they will always be written in a way where they are sexually attracted to someone you wouldn't want them to be.

Stop
Nothing is never stated or even implied like that. hell that isn't even consist with them being bi/pan switch.
Almost of that writing stuff is just laziness and your giving credit and excuses for it. You even have the option for a some people to turn people down because your not into them at their into their sex parts, them, or that stuff. And it's often so randomly spread out it happens more often than not when ever the writer remembers, them putting in text in like gay thoughts go away, not into dicks, pussies only, not being interested in dicks going in your ass, or not looking forward to getting things up the butt, and etc.
It the same reason why your character is down for whatever sex act when your not choosing.

What? make it so the PC can have preferences and standards?
What do you mean you sub PC doesn't want to be choked, degraded, eat ass, eat horse, take anal, be a voyeur, be a cuck, and etc.
Your submissive PC should be down for whatever because others want it, they shouldn't have lines they don't want to cross. And if not why did you click on the scene? What do you mean the option didn't tell you that those acts would be in the scene, you should of just knew what would be in the scene ahead of time. If you really don't like it you should reload to a save before hand and avoid all the content that they had no insight into being there.

The reason why things the way they are is just laziness and them having no interest in it most of the time, and it doesn't help that they would have to write more for that scene/s. Why write more possible options when you can just say everyone's PC is into it. This is lazy and bad design

 

[icecreamman99]

Yep pretty much, while admittedly having more than one writer can help depending on the scale of a project it all really becomes a moot point when they're all doing their own thing and don't actually communicate with each other, which ultimately results in a MC that's wildly different for each scene they might as well be written as a character with DID

Yeah they said themselves they aren't really trying to make it tight project.

 

[jfmherokiller]

Yeah they said themselves they aren't really trying to make it tight project.

you can't use tight to describe this project. "Blown open" and "Gaping" are more appropriate.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

-Why aren't you just writing your own stuff for your own project of some sort, if you are willing to learn this system and write you might as well start your own game.

That's a bit of a leap, though. Unless you got a bunch of folks to cooperate or someone with way too much time, such a project would probably die.

I probably wouldn't mind writing worldbuild stuff on a cooperative mod once this shindig finally clears the line.

So saying management needs to crack the whip on writers and make them start writing what management wants instead of what the writers want is completely backwards

Suppose the best answer would be for management to understand that variety is the spice of life and not understand that as code for "moar dickgirls".

I think this game has a wide variety of problems, and pointing out any one thing as the cause of all of them is missing the point.

Bingo. It's akin to a car that somehow manages to hit some good points on track but keeps swerving into drifts because someone glued a dildo to the breaks and the wheel works on its own. And then it turns out the mechanics sort of did whatever they want along with making sure the dildo never unglued itself because their director finds it adorable.

I'd ditch the lead first, him being there makes it less likely to be salvageable and the position needs a better pair of hands.

I mean i think at this point we can all agree that this "game" has failed at every aspect it's tried to achieve. It's failed at being a sequel, it's failed in making your character feel like they matter to the overall plot, it's failed in gameplay and hell it's failed in even feeling like a game anymore. Like when's the last time the story has actually even progressed they've spent more time doing commissions and making one off characters that they might as well just drop the game entirely and just make an AO3 account and post all their scenes there.

The Kitsune Tree probably should've split off, at least.

(snip)

Yes and no. I feel like that's more a case of convenience than consistency. Having an open MC means people could write as they please for the MC and also means the lead has less to enforce on.

Which basically means that the hardest bit of writing things ends up being with the OCs, funnily enough.

you can't use tight to describe this project. "Blown open" and "Gaping" are more appropriate.

Saccarinely loose, if you will.