Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[NODOGAN]

I mean the art style in CoCII has ALWAYS been an issue has it not? downright to not even getting right the character's IN GAME DESCRIPTIONS with their concept art! *it was so long before i stopped skimming through Cait's text that i just grew accustomed to the idea of she being a pink cat, i had a legit WTF moment when i learned she's blonde andis supossed to JUST HAVE PINK HIGHLIGHTS IN HER HAIR ALONE*

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Adjatha's characters look like blow-up dolls; I keep imagining squeaking noises when I fuck them. DCL is too cartoony for my liking. Plus they draw dicks weird. The best way I can describe it is like a sausage that has been squeezed really tight at the end. Still, they're the second-best artist in the game, IMO, because, besides them and Moira, CoC II has atrocious art.

Both games suffer from only-a-few-good-artists syndrome. The fact that they even pay someone like Adjatha (and the coc analogues) for that horrible shit is even better.

Either there is nepotism involved (much like the writers) or they get paid pennies for their work.

And blow-up doll I think is a better analogy than I could have come up with. That's exactly what's wrong with his stuff.

 

[WhiteCafination]

Since were talking about COCII artists, ill have to say that i really like bk!'s portraits, even though they've basically only done three, i enjoy the anime esque look and they're all really well done, especially with the shading.

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[destroyerofassholes]

Since were talking about COCII artists, ill have to say that i really like bk!'s portraits, even though they've basically only done three, i enjoy the anime esque look and they're all really well done, especially with the shading.

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I've never seen any of these lol, they're pretty good

 

[Kallisto]

Since were talking about COCII artists, ill have to say that i really like bk!'s portraits, even though they've basically only done three, i enjoy the anime esque look and they're all really well done, especially with the shading.

I don't like Cait's face here cuz it's way too "little girl cute" for my tastes, especially considering Cait's status as a sexgoddess-honeypot-highclasscourtesan. But the others are actually really nice and yeah I don't remember seeing this anywhere but then again I haven't played any of the recent patches lately so I'm behind.

 

[M0nte]

I've never seen any of these lol, they're pretty good

You have not witnessed the glory of Mallach? For shame.

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[actualrealname]

My main complaint of his art is that he sometimes doesn’t go along with the writer’s description. Recently, he drew this character called Monika and she had the following:

“The wide bulge at her crotch leaves no doubt that she’s packing something down there.”

“She also has a human dick, not the longest but incredibly thick, and two fist-sized balls. She also has a tattoo of the letters “RR” on her right hip.”

Pretty average sizes in this universe, but he gives her a massive, long dick and ginormous balls anyways.


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God that interpretation isn't even close, holy fuck. How does that even get through?

"Not the longest" means the length of your whole fucking thigh and "fist sized" means like twice the size of your head??
Like man I get that artists are going to interpret stuff slightly differently, from what the author intended, that's unavoidable, but if I commissioned something and had my request just straight up ignored like that I'd absolutely be requesting a refund, or refusing to pay the full price if they took a deposit.

Do they just not ask for WiP or sketches of the pieces before they're finished?

 

[redcynic]

NGL Fen and co have some weird ass ideas on what proportions are. As in 'thinks DD cup is the size of a melon and H is the size of a balloon" levels of bad.

 

[JTakiyaa]

Oh man i feel so left out right now since i don't know how to judge what art is good or not. Can i somehow bait this thread to go back to complaining about NTR or Cait or tobs please? I'm good with that topic.

 

[M0nte]

Oh man i feel so left out right now since i don't know how to judge what art is good or not. Can i somehow bait this thread to go back to complaining about NTR or Cait or tobs please? I'm good with that topic.

Nah fuck that, I also have to vent about something relating to this games art. Which I already did 40 pages ago but whatever.
It is related to this god damn pick.

Good part about above pick is that art is nice.
Bad parts:
Whose bright idea was to add a in game CGI for a sex scene where your character is present? And by "your" I mean some generic human male which is what I am trying to avoid to be in this game to begin with. Like, why? What is the point besides taking me and others out of experience? Did someone really need a picture to go along with his sexual text since they could not picture it otherwise?
What is worse, this is also first selectable sex position in the game. And artist did not even get the legs right. Wsan, the fuck dude?

 

[James3]

Actually, I'm pretty sure this isn't true.
There's going to be a war between Keros and another god (iirc, a god from CoC1) that you can choose sides for. It even mentions this when you pick up the amulet (it locks you into Keros's side).

Did Kiyoko's quest, then immediately went back to a save before I picked up the orb when I realized that story-wize, I'd have a trickster god's ire for the rest of it because once again, it's about who the game wants you to fuck. No one thinks Entertainment is about what they want you to do quite like game designers, do they? Film makers want you to think certain things, but the sense of entitlement from those paying them for the customer to have a good time is much more constant and expected from the game producer. Would have been more entertaining if you could sell the "amulet" to Kohaku and then she goes:"Wait, this is-" anyway, and a good way to leave saving Kiyoko entirely in the den's hands.

Which god from CoC1? Anzu or the 1 you have to fuck an actual pumpkin to see? I doubt it's Marae, even in the unlikely event of it being her in general, they'd never bother writing it for both corrupted and non-corrupted versions. I don't mind Anzu. His attitude toward you just goes neutral if you say no and then you can raise it back to 100 and avoid that conversation again. Best potential mate for daugthers, too, especially a good match for the chicks and any Valkyries my previous character might have fathered when they grow up.

 

[redcynic]

"Vision" is perfectly acceptable when its a film producer. Hell, that's the point - you are watching something they came up with and made. Thats the entertainment, you're seeing something someone else made.

But a game, while also something someone else made, is inherently interactable. It injects your own agency into the designer's vision. And that means that either the choices all lead to predetermined outcomes (VNs) or the designer must acept that sometimes you will not be doing exactly as they envision.

Case in point: the art with brienne. The artistic vision there is a human male fucking brienne. except because this isn't a VN, its totally possible you are anything but a human male. Que clash.

Or with Tobs' writing - he writes with a specific image of the champion in mind, one that could be drastically different to the players'. Que clash.

 

[Naru100]

My main complaint of his art is that he sometimes doesn’t go along with the writer’s description. Recently, he drew this character called Monika and she had the following:

“The wide bulge at her crotch leaves no doubt that she’s packing something down there.”

“She also has a human dick, not the longest but incredibly thick, and two fist-sized balls. She also has a tattoo of the letters “RR” on her right hip.”

Pretty average sizes in this universe, but he gives her a massive, long dick and ginormous balls anyways.


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I don’t really hate his art, I find some of his art pretty cute like his busts of Kase and normal Bizzy. I just really don’t like how he draws his proportions.

Monica isn’t my all-time favorite artist in these games (DCL is my favorite despite some small errors he’s done) , but at least she goes by the writer’s description and makes them look more appealing and natural to look at.

Is that character from Tits?

 

[M0nte]

Honestly, If we are talking about how our character acts inconsistently, nowhere is it shown worse to me then when Wsan writes you being a bottom. Now I am not talking about quality of sex scenes, I find them great. What I am talking about is how our character acts like a love struck school girl when ever they are about to recieve a good dicking. Especially with Brint.And to be specific, I do not mind our character being submissive. I just find it way to pushing it in direction where our character is full blown sub, Now, I am not sure if anyone else has this problem, but as someone who enjoys to both receive and give, it does strike me as to much of divergence as to how we are written when we are one fucking. Now I know that some people are switches that like to act dominating when topping and vice versa. But as someone who likes to be teasing in both sexual roles, I do find it distracting enough to where I need to create second character for me to expirience PCs anal scenes. Anyone else have this problem?
Still, I do feel that some scenes/characters find good balance. Bubble finds a good balance when it comes PC bottoming scenes, especially with Quint.

 

[pencilfight]

The entire staff, both CoC2's and TiTS' seem to have misgivings about a lot of the content that made it's way into the OG CoC, Fen included. I still remember a thread, years ago, where Savin and Nonesuch essentially equated people liking contents like Kelt's (and wanting to see similar content, even in an entirely fictional capacity), to being actual psychomurderers irl. Like, I get it, peoples tastes change, and it's entirely fair to go in a different direction with your future projects, just...maybe not so much when you're capitalising off of the brand power of an IP that historically roots itself in corruption and other strange degeneracy. Really, anyone looking for the sorts of content that made OG CoC what it is should be looking elsewhere than current (or future) FenCo products.

Fucking hilarious given that Savin is so utterly fucked in the head that he gets off to literal cuckholdry and anal rape

 

[M0nte]

Fucking hilarious given that Savin is so utterly fucked in the head that he gets off to literal cuckholdry and anal rape

Ey, no kink shaming! If what people are saying about Savin is true,it is up to us to be better then him. Do not criticize his fetishes, criticize that he is developing a porn game while thinking less of people that want specific fetishes added into his game.

 

[pencilfight]

Ey, no kink shaming! If what people are saying about Savin is true,it is up to us to be better then him. Do not criticize his fetishes, criticize that he is developing a porn game while thinking less of people that want specific fetishes added into his game.

My personal opinion of his proclivities aside, he, or anyone else involved in these games, don't get to stand on the moral high ground

Neglecting a proper "corruption" path is merely a way to cut out half the content while taking in nearly the same cash since they know most people just want to play the "nice guy anime harem protag"

I'd respect them much more if they just admitted they didn't want to put in the work rather than pretending that PC demon rape/murder rampages unnerve them

 

[M0nte]

My personal opinion of his proclivities aside, he, or anyone else involved in these games, don't get to stand on the moral high ground

Neglecting a proper "corruption" path is merely a way to cut out half the content while taking in nearly the same cash since they know most people just want to play the "nice guy anime harem protag"

I'd respect them much more if they just admitted they didn't want to put in the work rather than pretending that PC demon rape/murder rampages unnerve them

The thing is, while I and many criticize the lack of corruption content as of now, I do not think that is because of any moral stance. They either did not want to do it since they felt it was to early for story to have corrupt content, do not want double there workload or as I said, some of the authors probably do not enjoy writing it. Not really an excuse for game to be so barren in dickish possibility, but I am am still going to give them some benefit of the doubt. Maybe I am being to generous, but then again, I am not exactly paying for this game to begin with.

 

[actualrealname]

Ey, no kink shaming! If what people are saying about Savin is true,it is up to us to be better then him. Do not criticize his fetishes, criticize that he is developing a porn game while thinking less of people that want specific fetishes added into his game.

Bullying NTR fetishists is a f95 classic, the site wouldn't be the same without regular fights over whether or not certain devs should be killed irl for implementing a fetish some poster doesn't like. Or legitimate arguments when games veer way off their original themes into becoming ntr games too I suppose, though those fights are much less entertaining.

I do not think that is because of any moral stance. They either did not want to do it since they felt it was to early for story to have corrupt content

This argument doesn't really work anymore imo, there's literal demons just roaming the lands openly not!Raping people as they go. Just seems more like they don't really want to write corrupt content, considering how little interaction even the fully "corrupt" personality type gets, and how mild it is compared to how demons act.


Also as for the Brienne scene, outside of it being a particularly weird form of railroading, the art style just kind of stands out really weirdly to me. It's so different to all the other art in the game that it doesn't really even look like Brienne to me. I'm always surprised when games implement such massively different styles like that, seeds of chaos did it too and it was similarly bizarre there. Is the Brienne piece fan art or something?

 

[CantThinkOfOne]

Is anyone else really annoyed with how much brienne wants to fuck you? I hope they remove that scene or reduce it's chance of it happening significantly. It's fine the first few times but it happens so fucking often I loaded an old save just to get brint back because I couldn't stand brienne anymore.