Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Thisguy2]

Not unsurprising? So he's surprised people are overestimating the PC? Is that really what he meant to say?

So the Pc is strong enough to have every single god be interested in their soul and is the only one who even pose a threat to Kas and tries to stop her but at the same time they're not strong enough to surpass the almighty dev self inserts. Mallach forbid there was an illusion of choice and the actual universe is somewhat believable.
God i can't wait for litteraly anyone else to write for this piece of shit game, I'm so over these guys egos.

 

[muschi26]

So the Pc is strong enough to have every single god be interested in their soul and is the only one who even pose a threat to Kas and tries to stop her but at the same time they're not strong enough to surpass the almighty dev self inserts. Mallach forbid there was an illusion of choice and the actual universe is somewhat believable.
God i can't wait for litteraly anyone else to write for this piece of shit game, I'm so over these guys egos.

So clearly what he should have said was that it isn't surprising that people overestimate the PC (in his eyes), because of all the crazy things that would point towards the PC actually being someone noteworthy.

I just found it slightly ironic that Tobs of all people would get his words messed up.

 

[Jötunn123]

There are so many characters in tits and COC2 now that are so much better than the PC in some or many things now. Was there even anything like that in the original COC1, aside from the Marach herself which was an actual goddess.

 

[Skandranon]

The problem with that logic here is that the gods are an integral part of the story. You meet and have conversations with 3 of them and see another one without talking to them. Oh and you fuck two of them. You can even give your soul to one of them for "safekeeping". When they're this tied to the plot, I do think something that huge needs to be explored at least a little bit.

None of those interactions are main story. The only godly interaction tied to the main plot is basically a short scene of Lumia.

They really haven't been tied to the story other than that, all of their scenes are optional.

Like others have said, that's you putting your views onto a blank slate. My Champ could be a crusader of Velun or whatever and have his entire worldview rocked by this news. The champ can care about more than just stopping Kas because, you guessed it, they're a blank slate.

Honestly, they aren't really a blank slate, but that's beside the point. The champ has certain baked in aspects - one of them is his goal is Kass. Above pretty much all else. The focus of the game and the champs goals are inmutable.

Anytime Tau_Iota delves into the ramifications of this plot point, you immediately go, "Nope, no proof." Obviously there's no proof, because we just have this tidbit of information to go on. But we can infer from that little bit and maybe figure things out before/if they ever happen. Nobody is saying any of this is fact, they're just strong possibilites given the information. Yet you just fervently deny the possibility of what he's saying because there's no hard proof for it.

That's kind of a textbook case of being dismissive, no?

Well no, and you just...completely switched subjects. We were talking about me being dismissive of the idea that this plot point needs to be developed, which is a completely different conversation than debating theories with Tau.

 

[MangaKing]

There are so many characters in tits and COC2 now that are so much better than the PC in some or many things now. Was there even anything like that in the original COC1, aside from the Marach herself which was an actual goddess.

I think the problem is way worse in COC2, I can't recall in TITS, being randomly sucker punched out of nowhere and knocked out, then being called a weakling without being able to do anything to stop it,

In TITS you have no companions so you have to be somewhat strong in the world, and you fight against pirates, corporations, primitive armies, and other things, and TITS has skill and job checks even if they are only for games and things where in COC2 your stats only matter in combat but not in the story

 

[Jötunn123]

I think the problem is way worse in COC2, I can't recall in TITS, being randomly sucker punched out of nowhere and knocked out, then being called a weakling without being able to do anything to stop it,

In TITS you have no companions so you have to be somewhat strong in the world

It mainly happens in scenes with certain other characters, for example in the kemono girl at the tavros bar that you can romance. In one of the scenes, a zil comes to the bar and for some reason flirts with the Kemono friends, and while the PC is completely useless from the Zil pheromones and basically has to watch pathetically until the kemono girl breaks out of the pheromones herself and beats the zil up... Yeah an untrained girl going to an university or something like that does something a max stat Steele can't do.

 

[Wipp]

These past few updates have been nice, but I hope we'll get through the rest of the minotaur story soon as I was getting pretty invested in it. Also still itching for repeating scenes with Brienne's family. I still can't comprehend how it's taken so long to just conclude that side content already. Last I'd heard it's been written for months but they just don't want to program it in for whatever reason...

 

[Wrynn13]

I think the problem is way worse in COC2, I can't recall in TITS, being randomly sucker punched out of nowhere and knocked out, then being called a weakling without being able to do anything to stop it,

In TITS you have no companions so you have to be somewhat strong in the world, and you fight against pirates, corporations, primitive armies, and other things, and TITS has skill and job checks even if they are only for games and things where in COC2 your stats only matter in combat but not in the story

In TITS there is a ship full of morons that sucker punch your ship then steamroll their way on board yours and you have zero recourse against them, cause they are just better than you. Some of the worst writing I ever saw in the game. Caused a big stink for a bit on the forum too.

 

[muschi26]

In TITS there is a ship full of morons that sucker punch your ship then steamroll their way on board yours and you have zero recourse against them, cause they are just better than you. Some of the worst writing I ever saw in the game. Caused a big stink for a bit on the forum too.

Every time I read "You see something that looks like a nebula…" I instantly press "ignore".

 

[MangaKing]

It mainly happens in scenes with certain other characters, for example in the kemono girl at the tavros bar that you can romance. In one of the scenes, a zil comes to the bar and for some reason flirts with the Kemono friends, and while the PC is completely useless from the Zil pheromones and basically has to watch pathetically until the kemono girl breaks out of the pheromones herself and beats the zil up... Yeah an untrained girl going to an university or something like that does something a max stat Steele can't do.

I'm not sure exactly which scene you're talking about but it sounds familiar,

In TITS there is a ship full of morons that sucker punch your ship then steamroll their way on board yours and you have zero recourse against them, cause they are just better than you. Some of the worst writing I ever saw in the game. Caused a big stink for a bit on the forum too.

No clue what you're talking about... wait are talking about the great Majin? Is that how you meet them? Man it's been a while

I'm not saying TITS doesn't have this problem, I'm just saying COC2 is way worse with it, especially with writers coming out of the woodwork saying how strong their characters are and shitting on the MC, also literally making it impossible to beat kas is pretty egregious

 

[Jötunn123]

Also in Tits, I remember that in quite a bit of games, the PC's sexual skills are often described as less then either the partners or someone elses.

Also the girl with the Zil scene is named Fisianna btw.

 

[MangaKing]

In TITS there is a ship full of morons that sucker punch your ship then steamroll their way on board yours and you have zero recourse against them, cause they are just better than you. Some of the worst writing I ever saw in the game. Caused a big stink for a bit on the forum too.

Also, keep in mind I think you were still in a dingy ship when they made that encounter, though that's still not a great excuse

Also in Tits, I remember that in quite a bit of games, the PC's sexual skills are often described as less then either the partners or someone elses.

Also the girl with the Zil scene is named Fisianna btw.

I don't remember that but cards on the table I haven't played in a while so maybe nostalgia is fogging my eyes

 

[Cackling_Hyena]

In TITS there is a ship full of morons that sucker punch your ship then steamroll their way on board yours and you have zero recourse against them, cause they are just better than you. Some of the worst writing I ever saw in the game. Caused a big stink for a bit on the forum too.

Who were those again? The other crew that you could board their shit and stuff after they just kinda beat your ship over the head? Went looking for which event it was, it's Shizuya I think?

 

[muschi26]

Also in Tits, I remember that in quite a bit of games, the PC's sexual skills are often described as less then either the partners or someone elses.

That's usually to do with dick size. E.g. some of the girls with tauric bodies can't be satisfied unless your cock is X inches or more (like the shopkeeper in New Texas whose name I can't remember).

There's a little bit of that in CoC2: e.g. the marefolk Shaman comments on how you didn't manage to make her cum, even though you tried your best, when your dick is under I think 12".

 

[Wrynn13]

I'm not sure exactly which scene you're talking about but it sounds familiar,


No clue what you're talking about... wait are talking about the great Majin? Is that how you meet them? Man it's been a while

I'm not saying TITS doesn't have this problem, I'm just saying COC2 is way worse with it, especially with writers coming out of the woodwork saying how strong their characters are and shitting on the MC, also literally making it impossible to beat kas is pretty egregious

That's the one. You'd think it was a collaboration between Tobs and Bubble it's so full of shit. And yes CoC2 is worse than TITS with stuff like this, but it does still exist.

 

[MangaKing]

That's usually to do with dick size. E.g. some of the girls with tauric bodies can't be satisfied unless your cock is X inches or more (like the shopkeeper in New Texas whose name I can't remember).

There's a little bit of that in CoC2: e.g. the marefolk Shaman comments on how you didn't manage to make her cum, even though you tried your best, when your dick is under I think 12".

This is why I have a swiss army penis, I always have something workable in my pants

 

[Boardguy]

I'm not sure exactly which scene you're talking about but it sounds familiar,


No clue what you're talking about... wait are talking about the great Majin? Is that how you meet them? Man it's been a while

I'm not saying TITS doesn't have this problem, I'm just saying COC2 is way worse with it, especially with writers coming out of the woodwork saying how strong their characters are and shitting on the MC, also literally making it impossible to beat kas is pretty egregious

The active attempting date rape Zii is when your going out with Fisi, if your shit is too low then your girlfriend will punch the fucker instead of you. I still question patreons logic of incest being bad but date rape bees is fine.

 

[MangaKing]

The active attempting date rape Zii is when your going out with Fisi, if your shit is too low then your girlfriend will punch the fucker instead of you. I still question patreons logic of incest being bad but date rape bees is fine.

I wonder what the legality of bringing a creature that could do that into what is basically a city is

 

[Shiro15]

None of those interactions are main story. The only godly interaction tied to the main plot is basically a short scene of Lumia.

They really haven't been tied to the story other than that, all of their scenes are optional.

If we dismiss optional content as not being important, then the whole bit with Gweyr is not important. Which you really can't do, as her optional side quest pretty much explains why Garth, Garret, and Gwyns family is the way that it is. Just because content is optional doesn't mean it can't have a greater impact on the story or that it has zero merit to be explored. Recruiting most of the people in Mass effect 2 and doing their loyalty mission is all optional. But, it explains your companions motivations and why they are capable of certain things.

Edit: You're only required to recruit Jacob, Miranda, Mordin, Jack, Grunt, and Garrus, but it is possible to skip Tali, Samara, Thane, Kasumi, Zaed, and you can sell Legion to the Illusive Man. Just cause you skip these characters doesn't mean they and their content suddenly doesn't exist. It doesn't mean the events in the story doesn't happen or play a larger role in the story. For example Miranda is infertile. The only way you can know this is if you read the codex in Lair of the Shadow Broker. If you chose or miss that content its on you. As that content can inform on certain things about her personality. Like Miranda questions why Joker wouldn't want to date a human. This might come across as her being weired out by Joker dating robot, but having additional information about makes it possible to infer that shes wondering why someone date someone they can't have kids with as that's something she wants.

Javik is optional in Mass Effect 3, and a lot of people were upset over that because having Javik explains a lot of things about the Asari. How They came to power and the world of Mass Effect as a whole. And many people argued that he should be a required companion as the greater implications that come from interacting with him completely changes how people view the world of Mass Effect.

Edit: Also if you don't agree with Tau_Iota ideas I think thats a reasonable stance to take. But some of your other points I can't really agree with.

 

[Wrynn13]

Also, keep in mind I think you were still in a dingy ship when they made that encounter, though that's still not a great excuse

I don't remember that but cards on the table I haven't played in a while so maybe nostalgia is fogging my eyes

Getting attacked, and even boarded isn't the problem. Everything that happens after is the problem. You get zero chance to fight back, zero chance to tell them to fuck the hell off your ship, and zero chance to execute them like they deserve. Absolute garbage writing that legit made me quit the game for well over a year. I seriously hope QuestyRobo never writes for any game I ever play again.