Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.35] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Joyvankek]

I'm the last guy you need to tell that to. I've bitched and whined and shat on the devs for a 1000 pages on this thread. Been here since like page 70 or some shit. You don't need to go all passive aggressive infantile BS. I got banned from Fen's forums long ago.

It's just that each conversation is the exact same, everything said here has been regurgitated for hundreds of pages and it just makes it so there's 0 worth to checking the thread other than pirating the newest version. Every 30 pages another Tobs hate train pops up. Was fun the first 20 times or so. Meh. A middle ground ought to be possible between endless shitting and Fen's forums/dc.

That's how hate threads generally tend to live their lifespan. Especially if devs are as retarded and as egomaniacal.
If it grew old on you, just make a break or quit it all together.
No need to get mad.
We already have perfect object for our hatred.

 

[keni77]

This is already too much, it's too much, savin, this is no longer corruption of champions, it's futa on champions, it's okay that there are futas but that's enough, no more, no more, what's the damn obsession with girls with dicks man, stop it, think, seek help, so much character futa is not good for your mental health savin is not.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

This is already too much, it's too much, savin, this is no longer corruption of champions, it's futa on champions,

Nah if you want to see what that looks like go check out Tales of Androgyny, it's pretty great.

 

[Deviton123]

At first I didn't want to shit on the devs either. I was like why are they so nasty to the devs? But the more I played, the more i found out, and the more I've seen their forums...

 

[Alterism]

Not to play Devil's advocate or anything but I try to derail shit asking build question/focusing on the mechanics of the game

I typically have given the general block of text about builds, balance, companions and what not and the associated screenshots of the results. But if we're coming down to the nitty gritty. This game has 4 buttons and is cooldown based.
"what build are you using"
"[answer]"
Can't exactly carry a conversation here. Hell it can't even carry a real conversation on the official forums. Back when I visited there you'd get a thread that'd get 1-3 replies from the same usual suspects repeating the same builds that were answered the year prior and then it'd fizzle out.

Think the codes just hard to mod but not impossible but not sure.Even if it IS a mess the community will prevail out of spite

So firstly, there would be more effort on the exsisting mod front if there was anywhere that amount of interest anymore. There used to be a fan project. But, "'used to' died yesterday," my old man often said.
Aside from the lack of somebody to coordinate the entire affair, you'd need writers. Those same writers used to be a bottomless resources plucked from the large pool of people willing to do a fan submission. This has obviously dried up.

Somebody is less willing to adhere to the rather complex formatting rules and implementing parsers in the accurate way than they are to make their own game or just stick to fics.
Which is why there's like 200+ twine games on this site alone. (Good amount of them are pretty good though)

Kind of similar to the porn game/animation space if you think about it. Where like early 2010 everything was free and now at 2023 everything is paid.

 

[Comiies]

I typically have given the general block of text about builds, balance, companions and what not and the associated screenshots of the results. But if we're coming down to the nitty gritty. This game has 4 buttons and is cooldown based.
"what build are you using"
"[answer]"
Can't exactly carry a conversation here. Hell it can't even carry a real conversation on the official forums. Back when I visited there you'd get a thread that'd get 1-3 replies from the same usual suspects repeating the same builds that were answered the year prior and then it'd fizzle out.


So firstly, there would be more effort on the exsisting mod front if there was anywhere that amount of interest anymore. There used to be a fan project. But, "'used to' died yesterday," my old man often said.
Aside from the lack of somebody to coordinate the entire affair, you'd need writers. Those same writers used to be a bottomless resources plucked from the large pool of people willing to do a fan submission. This has obviously dried up.

Somebody is less willing to adhere to the rather complex formatting rules and implementing parsers in the accurate way than they are to make their own game or just stick to fics.
Which is why there's like 200+ twine games on this site alone. (Good amount of them are pretty good though)

Kind of similar to the porn game/animation space if you think about it. Where like early 2010 everything was free and now at 2023 everything is paid.

I know nothing bout coding but i think someone said that nobody is currently even trying to make a mod since the code of the game is constantly changing due to updates so every new update you would need to make a new mod from scratch.So supposing thats true the logical solution would be to wait for the game to be finished or abandoned to start making mods for it.

Again i know close to nothing bout the game but i can trust 2 things from this community.How horny it is and how much it loves to fuck with the devs.So we shall wait and see

 

[NODOGAN]

Again i know close to nothing bout the game but i can trust 2 things from this community.How horny it is and how much it loves to fuck with the devs.So we shall wait and see

The moment the game's completed/abbandoned I can imagine the first 2 mods being "Cleanse" mod and "Campfire" mod (one lets you de-dick futas permanently to have them be just females, the other lets you burn certain giant tree filled with uppity soul vampires that think they're hot shit even thought you beat the crap out of them and they're literaly a colony made from THE DREGS OF THEIR OWN SOCIETY lore-wise.)

 

[Wrynn13]

We already have that! the big blue valkyrie up in Lumia's keep, I don't need a re-do of that, gimme an actual dommi mommy with no futa dick!

The big blueberry is the best character in the Lumia temple, and yes we need more like her. a half dozen more and you wouldn't even come close to the number of dommi mommies that we already have too many of. Definitely need more dickless characters of either stripe though.

 

[Skandranon]

Just to put something in perspective: there's been three(3) permanent futa NPCs added in the last year. Kalysea, Annika, and Seastone. That's it.

In that same timeframe, there's been 7+ female characters added (actually more like 10+, because I don't remember how many people are in Starhome so I only counted all female Siorc as 1, but I'm pretty sure there's at least 3).

On top of that, both Kalysea and Seastone are pretty barebones (3 scenes and iirc 2 scenes respectively, though Seastone has changes for alpha/beta).

If we were to count scenes instead of characters, the disparity would grow even more (just for example, in Mayternity, exactly 1 futa character got any love at all, everything else was for pure female NPCs).



Juuust so everyone has accurate info about what this game is focused on...

(as an aside, there's been two dudes...Tetsuya and Yusra).

 

[Based Department]

the problem isn't the amount of futa characters per se, it's that most to all of the futas are 90%+ the same character with small veneers of difference.

 

[Alterism]

Seastone are pretty barebones

Not to mention yes the differences between Alpha and Beta

Now before I go on, I should mention that even in tits I never had an issue with content distribution (as this debate is older than both games).
But just like in TiTS, judging distribution by raw NPC count has always been misleading. NPCs aren't created equal. While there are more females than futas in starhome, one is asexual, one has a solo scene, and the other is locked behind a foursome that also involves a futa.

In regards to content for futas theres:
Evergreens new blowjob
Dragoon Azzy and Dragon Evelyn, Seastone's myraid of scenes and the futa shark(s) down there, (technically Futa Lyric), Kas dungeon scenes (admittedly only three), The water bard, technically the dragon mace, Vivianne got that new scene, technically Berwyn, Arona's got a bunch of new scenes + that pregnancy expansion, and uhhh... Well we're not counting dickgirls right?
When did those undermountain demons get added?

There's seldom been long periods where futa lovers haven't been eating good.

Edit: Actually now that I think on it. The only people who really have been starving are male lovers.
As per usual, really.

 

[Wrynn13]

Oh yeah the M/M players definitely get the short stinky end of the stick. Just because I complain about the lack of pure female subs in the game doesn't discount that.

 

[Comiies]

uhh confusion.Did i miss those shark girls or seastone?Cause the wiki dont have them and i dont rember them in game.Where were they?

 

[Lucky_I]

uhh confusion.Did i miss those shark girls or seastone?Cause the wiki dont have them and i dont rember them in game.Where were they?

Over here. Glacial rift past elf kingdom. There's like a whole side quest fight gaunlet associated with the dungeon. I recommend bringing Agni/be a charmer I believe so you don't miss anything(there's a summon you can lose out on if Im not mistaken).

 

[Alterism]

uhh confusion.Did i miss those shark girls or seastone?Cause the wiki dont have them and i dont rember them in game.Where were they?

That ice place with the frost giants. You have to finish Gweyr's quest and then you can talk to the shark hippy who'll set you on the path to meet the rest of the sharks.

Over here. There's like a whole side quest fight gaunlet associated with the dungeon. I recommend bringing Agni/be a charmer I believe so you don't miss anything(there's a summon you can lose out on if Im not mistaken).

Unless I'm wrong, everybody can get that summon.

 

[NODOGAN]

That ice place with the frost giants. You have to finish Gweyr's quest and then you can talk to the shark hippy who'll set you on the path to meet the rest of the sharks.


Unless I'm wrong, everybody can get that summon.

Wait Summon? What summon? I've been there dozens of times and NEVER brought Agni, what did I missed?¡ XD

 

[Quintilus]

Just ask Quint

the game will see more modding when it's "finished"

Thats a straight up lie.
While its possible that they have magical uber engine that they feed text scenes and description where it, uber engine, should put them and such shit, overall architecture of code give obvious hints that chances of it infinitesimal. It most definitely coded by the javascript programmers, that know jack shit about programming, in general term.

Just imagine that somebody builds skyscraper without sewerage system, argumenting it absence with something like 'when we finish it we will add it'. But it will turns out that it reqiure breaking main/bearing walls/floors, creation of additional technical floors, breaking/redesigning from scratch electrical system, etc. It will be building it all from scratch.
Nobody, from those who know how to do it, will do it for....what, 5k $ month?!

Proper mods support requires engine to have more or less working compiler. And its...hard.
Im currently stuck on parsing step (collection and sorting of data with, and by, specific parameters) which looks like this

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and it still dont ready for the next step, syntax analysis (look for, and reporting as faulty, all cases of operations like "'this is string' - 13", as an example).

tl;dr savin just 'damage controlling' saying that 'mods will be there'. Dont believe to the man who have disturbingly...disturbing thing for a futa....and that doesnt know anything about programming.

There is no code to block mods; it's just that whenever they minifiy a new version of the game, a large number of variables have their names changed to just a few letters to save space, but the process doesn't keep in mind what name it used last time it did the process so they often receive different names each time; thanks to this, any modding that uses those variables would need to update to what the new names are, making complicated mods or mods that alter existing content nearly impossible thanks to the time it would take to update them for each new version.

Its possible to implement some kind of mod support (read as 'really bad') by using a source map. Electron (node) is able to interpret and launch it, after all.
But its literally digging into mangled and obfuscated code for a.....what? Its not a skyrim, quake or doom (old) to justify it by the fingertips gameplay. Porn is really 'ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh', unless you have like two or three fetish that overused there. A chance to get shitted on by the devs? There are 4chan for that kind of things. Or even better, twatter....I mean twitter, where such thing is automated.
And thats omitting the fact that its hard, of course. Mapping BEE BOP BIP to minimized values representation, I mean.

 

[Skandranon]

Not to mention yes the differences between Alpha and Beta

Eh, well, my knowledge of Starhome was shaky, like I said.

Now before I go on, I should mention that even in tits I never had an issue with content distribution (as this debate is older than both games).
But just like in TiTS, judging distribution by raw NPC count has always been misleading. NPCs aren't created equal. While there are more females than futas in starhome, one is asexual, one has a solo scene, and the other is locked behind a foursome that also involves a futa.

In regards to content for futas theres:
Evergreens new blowjob
Dragoon Azzy and Dragon Evelyn, Seastone's myraid of scenes and the futa shark(s) down there, (technically Futa Lyric), Kas dungeon scenes (admittedly only three), The water bard, technically the dragon mace, Vivianne got that new scene, technically Berwyn, Arona's got a bunch of new scenes + that pregnancy expansion, and uhhh... Well we're not counting dickgirls right?
When did those undermountain demons get added?

There's seldom been long periods where futa lovers haven't been eating good.

Edit: Actually now that I think on it. The only people who really have been starving are male lovers.
As per usual, really.

Well, like I said I wasn't sure about Starhome, but as to the rest of your comment....nah.

As someone who does watch for futa stuff, I've watched whole months go by without a single scene of the stuff.

The scenes you named come with a bunch of asterisks and "technicallys".

Cassidy can be any gender. (And has no futa exclusive scenes).
Lyric too. (And has no futa exclusive scenes).
Berwyn too (and has no futa exclusive scenes.).

And other than that, you're mostly listing a few one offs months apart.

If we were to go month by month for just this year for NPCs....

June: 3 scenes with Kalysea, one 69 scene which involves a futa and a female.

May: Vitra PC preg scenes.

April: 1 scene with Evergreen.

March: Brint/Arona threesome.
For the heck of it, throw in Ryns dungeon content, which makes this month a bit better.

February: Teatime for dragons quest, so a chunk of new Evelyn scenes (havent counted). Azzy (not a futa) has a couple of scenes with her ovi.

January: 1 Kass scene.
Also, Cassidy who's gender is customizable.

So out of...6 months, in 5 of them futa scenes are in the single digits. Mostly the low single digits.

Female scenes absolutely dwarf them. I can't count them atm, but even glancing at the changelog you can see months we probably are sitting close to 20.


You're right in that the issue with content distribution and that it doesn't reflect the NPC numbers; its even MORE skewed in favor of pure females than anything else.

By a lot.

 

[Alterism]

Wait Summon? What summon? I've been there dozens of times and NEVER brought Agni, what did I missed?¡ XD

There's a door that requires you to play an aggressive song. You go in there. Beat the Jotan up. Get a horn. Take it to the summoning circle that evergreen can setup in the wayfort. And after that you'll meet the bard. Maybe there's another step there that I can't remember but~

 

[Mrbark1234]

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Thats a straight up lie.
While its possible that they have magical uber engine that they feed text scenes and description where it, uber engine, should put them and such shit, overall architecture of code give obvious hints that chances of it infinitesimal. It most definitely coded by the javascript programmers, that know jack shit about programming, in general term.

Just imagine that somebody builds skyscraper without sewerage system, argumenting it absence with something like 'when we finish it we will add it'. But it will turns out that it reqiure breaking main/bearing walls/floors, creation of additional technical floors, breaking/redesigning from scratch electrical system, etc. It will be building it all from scratch.
Nobody, from those who know how to do it, will do it for....what, 5k $ month?!

Proper mods support requires engine to have more or less working compiler. And its...hard.
Im currently stuck on parsing step (collection and sorting of data with, and by, specific parameters) which looks like this

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and it still dont ready for the next step, syntax analysis (look for, and reporting as faulty, all cases of operations like "'this is string' - 13", as an example).

tl;dr savin just 'damage controlling' saying that 'mods will be there'. Dont believe to the man who have disturbingly...disturbing thing for a futa....and that doesnt know anything about programming.



Its possible to implement some kind of mod support (read as 'really bad') by using a source map. Electron (node) is able to interpret and launch it, after all.
But its literally digging into mangled and obfuscated code for a.....what? Its not a skyrim, quake or doom (old) to justify it by the fingertips gameplay. Porn is really 'ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh', unless you have like two or three fetish that overused there. A chance to get shitted on by the devs? There are 4chan for that kind of things. Or even better, twatter....I mean twitter, where such thing is automated.
And thats omitting the fact that its hard, of course. Mapping BEE BOP BIP to minimized values representation, I mean.

So basically only the avatar master of all four elements can hope to make a mod.... thanks for ruining my dreams quinn