Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.35] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[desmosome]

Where is viv's house again if she is already in your party?

 

[devilaffect]

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"I didn't even bring Larian up, nor did I disparage them in any way"

Show me where I brought Larian into the conversation. Go ahead, I'll wait. Me responding to somebody bringing up Larian is not me bringing it up. That's not semantics, that's just empirical fact.

Who said Savin was an experienced leader? It's literally his first game he is taking lead on. Also, that proverb doesn't make any sense in this context. It's also just awful because it's logic is paradoxical.

 

[dolosolo]

Because I care about the well being of the devs and am cognizant of the fact that spouting random unnecessary complaints both drowns out the real and well though out critiques, as well as annoying them until they give up on the community.

well thats great but i care about the wellbeing of the game. i dont think you can combat or police concerns without looking like a cretin, when they arent well thought out because not everyone is verbose and literate but everyone has a gut and it doesnt matter how accurate a fact you pull is bc opinions are rarely based on facts they only come in when its time to argue.

There's nothing saying any portion of the games design philosophy can't evolve or change. It could be bad or it could be good. They seem to not be losing supports, so I would be apt to say it leans towards good.

i dont believe theyre going to change anything, i think theyre pleased with the integrity of their product and the revenue it generates. i think apple is too, and they have not innovated in a decade, their original product was groundbreaking and theyve been able to coast on that brand recognition.

What do you honestly think a therapist is going to tell them to do? It would probably being along the lines of taking a break or writing something you want to write instead of what the community wants you to write. People don't just go to therapy for every single problem they have. That's just an insane thought process to not even consider attempting to solve your problems on your own terms first.

its clear youve never gone to therapy so i cant grill you for this pov but its very reductive of a persons personal goals and the proffesionalism of a therapist. therapy is never not on your own terms

No, it just requires reading the patch notes and seeing when the mentioned content gets added.

the patchnotes always remind me the game has too many characters and i dont have the faith content im looking forward to will have the focus i want it to have

 

[Ilovekatz19]

Where is viv's house again if she is already in your party?

It shows up at the

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after you recruit her.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

You do realize I would have to dox myself and Tobs to prove that I'm not him, correct? But sure, I made this account years ago just so I could catfish people at this very moment for this very reason.

I'd love to see that. It would be the kind of hilarious retardation that comes out of the wonderful circlejerk you evidently inhabit based on said decade-old screenshot and those hundreds of posts.

 

[Alterism]

I care about the well being of the devs and am cognizant of the fact that spouting random unnecessary complaints both drowns out the real and well though out critiques, as well as annoying them until they give up on the community.

I'm sure Savin and friends trawl f95 for coherent well put together feedback.

Even if they did at one point, that ship sailed years ago.
There used to be plenty of places to talk about CoC2 that wasn't the (practically dead due to neglect) official forum and two discords.

Now there's isn't.
Establishing a positive community is a collaborative effort which is why you see so many games on here have active back and forth with the games developers. In this threads infancy, the first few years actually, there was plenty of space to similarly build the rapport.
The moment was lost.

No amount of brow beating various users is going to make them play nicely.

well over 90% of the games on here

I know this was obvious hyperbole but it tickled me.
105 on hold
5164 abandoned
9708 Completed
5469 ongoing

Just under completed alone, 90% would be well off.
I usually avoid making generalizations about "most games" because I don't interact with even 10% of every game on this website nor do I follow that many games developmental pipeline.

No real point to this post. I was just tickled by the number.

Nope, Dude vocally said he hasn't worked on Tits since the last planet update which was early last year I believe n isn't interested in work there for until they get themselves in working order. Dude is just milking, is all.

Is that's what's going down?
I remember reading

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Nonesuch's comment on it being a clownshow is more relevant by the day.

 

[devilaffect]

bruv, you're talking like money alone makes a game or that the ppl need to know each other for years to work together. If that was the case games like Concord would be games of the decade and Indie studios like Supergiant and Redhook would not exist.

No, not in the slightest. I literally listed out the advantages that Larian had outside of monetary advantages. My point still stands that CoC2 having money isn't the end all be all of development since most of the team is still relatively inexperience when you bring up these outstanding studios putting out amazing quality games.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

My point still stands that CoC2 having money isn't the end all be all of development since most of the team is still relatively inexperience when you bring up these outstanding studios putting out amazing quality games.

Yes, I suppose one would be relatively inexperienced after almost ten years of development, especially if one can't help but continue to bust their dev team's balls for little to no reason while constantly mismanaging resources to side content that very few people care about while also somehow taking months to code it, and blowing hot steam up their own asses at any given interval while also cutting and labelling half-baked fan-favourite content as "feature complete.". Yeah, that'd be mighty inexperienced of them.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Nonesuch's comment on it being a clownshow is more relevant by the day.

I agree with Nonesuch, Tits develvolpment is a clowns show. (Just look at the discord snippets in my last post.)
But I find it still funny that, that man is talking about clownshow when he is Mr. "I just got backlash for an unpopular decision in my last submission, let me do that again."
I just can't wait for his next two big projects Nasti/Riya 2 and Siobhan to drop. The Riya deepthroating that man will do, will surely be a sight to be hold.
It will be fun to see the Riya glaze show and the reactions of the community, with her being such a popular character and all.

 

[Yeppers34]

I agree with Nonesuch, Tits develvolpment is a clowns show. (Just look at the discord snippets in my last post.)
But I find it still funny that, that man is talking about clownshow when he is Mr. "I just got backlash for an unpopular decision in my last submission, let me do that again."
I just can't wait for his next two big projects Nasti/Riya 2 and Siobhan to drop. The Riya deepthroating that man will do, will surely be a sight to be hold.
It will be fun to see the Riya glaze show and the reactions of the community, with her being such a popular character and all.

Oh god please don't bring riya into this thread, I still remember the last time they were brought up on the tits thread.

 

[Mrbark1234]

I don't mean individual scenes. Im talking about actual development beyond you talk to this character and you have this selection of scenes available. Like Sarah had an entire quest chain of saving her shop/ breaking her. Same with NTR and Cait, I'm sure she gets fucked, but is there anything besides the individual scenes?
The Bimbo route seems to be what I'm thinking of but looks like its a dead end.

Then your outta luck brother 99 percent of quests are just go here beat something up unlock scenes theres nothing like sarahs quest in this and for ntr i did just remember they added a sissy husband thats wants someone to fuck he's wife but i can't say if its any good because i never did it

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

Riya
reactions of the community
with her being such a popular character and all.

 

[devilaffect]

Yes, I suppose one would be relatively inexperienced after almost ten years of development, especially if one can't help but continue to bust their dev team's balls for little to no reason while constantly mismanaging resources to side content that very few people care about while also somehow taking months to code it, and blowing hot steam up their own asses at any given interval while also cutting and labelling half-baked fan-favourite content as "feature complete.". Yeah, that'd be mighty inexperienced of them.

Sure, Savin has a decade of writing experience, but once again that doesn't directly translate to leading a project wholesale. And once again just because you say very few people care about side content, doesn't make it true. That can in no discernable way be proven or unproven, but the fact that the game is still relatively well funded would point to at least leaning in the opposite direction. This leads back to the fact that most people just assume that what they want is what everybody wants, for some reason, which drowns actual discussion on real changes that could be made in a sea of "everybody wants my fetish". It turns into a waste of time if people are so self-indulgent and can't even be slightly introspective about their opinions. Why would he bother wasting his time drudging through the swamps to find the real critiques.

I would like to know what in the game took multiple months to code? As far as I'm aware that has never happened, not even for main story dungeons.

It's labeled feature complete because in all reality Savin knows it's unlikely anybody wants to pick it up and the last time a large project was picked up it was poorly received. He can cut his losses or stress out a staff writer making them work on something they have likely no interest in and that they will never meet the expectations of because some writers have no self control when it comes to scoping. I'd say it's reasonable to just cut their losses.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Genuinely though, Riya and her sister are the absolute worst characters in TiTS(her sister mostly because of the obnoxious requirements to fuck her). Like, it's not even a fun character to hate or even interesting. Just a completely ugly analogue to the real world and a completely off-putting tone compared to every single other character.

Ridiculous that you can't do anything to her. CoC1 they'd just let you kill the bitch on sight.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

My point still stands that CoC2 having money isn't the end all be all of development since most of the team is still relatively inexperience when you bring up these outstanding studios putting out amazing quality games.

Still makes it a pretty expensive work. Like fuck, I only expected them to deliver a follow-up that can't remind me of the old one reasonably enough.

That was years ago, too. Should've known better, given the FoE shenanigans and whatnot. Now it's really more on waiting for the fucking thing to drop and hope someone will start a modding effort.

Assuming anyone remains with a slice of interest, that is. This game's shtick can get really tiring/boring at times, seems it only recently improved with fresh blood.

On that note, are you Savin's PR or something? Sure as well feels like it.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

gonna need new hedge trimmers.

This could easily be put to a poll and tested in actual fact. I doubt it will, but you can pretty easily discern what people want and don't want and then put things in... oh wait, they did that? And then completely disregarded the polls they made and went off in an entirely different direction? Oh well.

You tell me, why is it that we're still here almost a decade on, and the game is nowhere near completion? We're four years gone from Cow Town being introduced, and we're still nowhere near what one would describe as a finish line; there's evidently some sort of horrible coding sickness pervading the dev team as to bog it down so hard.

Damn, that's crazy though, stressing out staff writers by making them do their job and finish shit up that they get paid for? It's almost like that's happened in the past coincidentally from content being labelled as feature complete while they're fenced off to fill in for other shit.

Hell, you're right though; Savin should cut his losses and run now before he goes down with the rest of the clowns that let their games languish in dev hell while they soak up that sweet, sweet Patreon cash... oh wait.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I'd say it's reasonable to just cut their losses.

I honestly agree.


Sorry bunny boy, your writer's gone and SavCo. is doing their annual belt tightening.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

Sorry bunny boy, your writers' gone and SavCo. is doing their annual belt tightening.

It's the glue factory for his ass.

 

[devilaffect]

well thats great but i care about the wellbeing of the game. i dont think you can combat or police concerns without looking like a cretin, when they arent well thought out because not everyone is verbose and literate but everyone has a gut and it doesnt matter how accurate a fact you pull is bc opinions are rarely based on facts they only come in when its time to argue.

I feel like those go hand in hand though and it's important to find at least some sort of balance. The hate mob just seems to come out for some games where once you find a reason to dislike a dev it becomes every action is a reason to hate the dev and people try to convince others that they are the spawn of Satan and that they could run things so much more smoothly. In reality, Savin is a dick and probably isn't the best leader, but far from the worst.

i dont believe theyre going to change anything, i think theyre pleased with the integrity of their product and the revenue it generates. i think apple is too, and they have not innovated in a decade, their original product was groundbreaking and theyve been able to coast on that brand recognition.

I wouldn't say they haven't changed anything. The companions are a marked change from both CoC and TiTS. None of the followers or crewmates in CoC or TiTS are integrated into the story and barely any of them interact with each other. There's a much greater focus on combat and giving the player a variety of options for builds. They even removed resolve during development because it was a major balancing issue. QoL things like doubling back not allowing more storage and the sped up pregnancies option shows that they are willing to listen to people. Hell, they even expanded character creation to allow any background with any race as well as more cosmetic options.

its clear youve never gone to therapy so i cant grill you for this pov but its very reductive of a persons personal goals and the proffesionalism of a therapist. therapy is never not on your own terms

I'd say it's more so that you shouldn't just bring any problem to a therapist prior to at least trying to solve the problem yourself first. I would agree it has to be on your own terms, but if you want actual change in your life it takes real concerted effort. Many of my coworkers suffered from PTSD because blowing people up, even remotely, can really fuck with your head. I would never disparage them for choosing to go to therapy. But that is a very different situation from burning yourself out from overwork and possibly losing interest in what was once a hobby because you are forcing yourself to write things you have no interest in. Varying degrees of problem require varying degrees of solutions. Now if you are experiencing unpleasant thoughts as a result of this, you should immediately seek help. I hope this clears that up.

the patchnotes always remind me the game has too many characters and i dont have the faith content im looking forward to will have the focus i want it to have

You aren't the only one. There's plenty of patches that are of no interest to me and that's okay. I just find something else.

 

[devilaffect]

Still makes it a pretty expensive work. Like fuck, I only expected them to deliver a follow-up that can't remind me of the old one reasonably enough.

That was years ago, too. Should've known better, given the FoE shenanigans and whatnot. Now it's really more on waiting for the fucking thing to drop and hope someone will start a modding effort.

Assuming anyone remains with a slice of interest, that is. This game's shtick can get really tiring/boring at times, seems it only recently improved with fresh blood.

On that note, are you Savin's PR or something? Sure as well feels like it.

Just somebody who's been around since the unnamed text game days and has the perspective to realize how oh so much worse it can be. It just so happens that there aren't a whole lot of substantive arguments around the forums anymore so it tends to just be playing the devil's advocate towards negative generalities.