Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.40] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[dolosolo]

I'd say it's more so that you shouldn't just bring any problem to a therapist prior to at least trying to solve the problem yourself first. I would agree it has to be on your own terms, but if you want actual change in your life it takes real concerted effort.

its ridiculous to think some problems dont deserve therapy, because any issue can cause mental blocks no matter how easily your brain has taught itself to gloss over them. thats also a form of trauma. and its ridiculous to say therapy isnt a real concerted effort, or even imply it wont/cant change your life. do you think therapy is coddling? it takes alot to face yourself. and with "just any problem", without therapy its the easiest thing in the world to repeat the same patterns while percieving them as a "real concerted effort" for that change in your life for decades when you could speedrun it in 1~3 years

But that is a very different situation from burning yourself out from overwork and possibly losing interest in what was once a hobby because you are forcing yourself to write things you have no interest in

you'd be suprised how much clarity therapy can give you. what your interests are, what theyre rooted in, where your focus is, ive lost several fetishes and gained others. i didnt need to spend months writing a character, i did it in an afternoon

 

[devilaffect]

I'm sure Savin and friends trawl f95 for coherent well put together feedback.

Even if they did at one point, that ship sailed years ago.
There used to be plenty of places to talk about CoC2 that wasn't the (practically dead due to neglect) official forum and two discords.

Now there's isn't.
Establishing a positive community is a collaborative effort which is why you see so many games on here have active back and forth with the games developers. In this threads infancy, the first few years actually, there was plenty of space to similarly build the rapport.
The moment was lost.

No amount of brow beating various users is going to make them play nicely.

They just need to have an actual argument if they want to see something changed. It took Misty months to get Steph Irson changed, but she stuck to her guns and meaningfully argued it to hell and back. I guess I just never understood screaming into the void about what you want in the game like there aren't thousands of people who probably want different things.

I know this was obvious hyperbole but it tickled me.
105 on hold
5164 abandoned
9708 Completed
5469 ongoing

Just under completed alone, 90% would be well off.
I usually avoid making generalizations about "most games" because I don't interact with even 10% of every game on this website nor do I follow that many games developmental pipeline.

No real point to this post. I was just tickled by the number.

I was leaning more towards how often the games are updated more so than which ones are actively being developed. I'm a bit curious if there a way to track the average time between updates of each game. My main point was that it's no Mythic Manor going from near monthly updates to maybe one or two a year.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Every content related poll aside from the generic vs named child and the what are you polls since they don't seem relevant. As you can see, they do gauge to some degree what people want. They've never explicitly released a poll on whether you like side content or not, but this does prove that they at least listen to the patrons seeing as how people love to complain about how many furry dick girls there are.

Honestly dude I mostly agree with the shit your saying all day, but that part tickles me wrong.
We have statements from Wsan telling us how polls won't affect content instead they try with content to affct polls? Sadly I don't have that screenshotted but Alterism if you would be so nice?
Also look at the number for threesomes. Despite the fact that apparently no one wants them, we still get them like crazy.
Savin and Co just love smashing their oc's together too much. (Poor Eubicha)

 

[fdragonx7]

on a completely unrelated tangent to what the recent topic is, Does anyone know how quickly you can get to corrupt Ahmri? cuz im curious to see what they did to her but my main saves are all way past that and pure runs. if im gonna do a quick restart into a corrupt one to see the content i want to know if i can do it quick or if id actually have to commit to being corrupt for a while.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

you seeing a pattern here yet?

Well then they should get right on making those polls for it so we can sort out truly who wants what from this game, the outspoken people saying what they want in areas such as this forum and the other outspoken people that believe the direction is just perfect that no one ever really sees outside of outliers such as yourself.

Also, making a lot of assumptions like that last guy as to what I want in regards to this game, fuck are you? My gatekeeper or some shit? I know well they don't care; my intention is to make sure everyone else that comes to this very public, very open forum knows that this shit is ongoing, seemingly not going to end, and is only getting worse as the years go by.

If you somehow can't comprehend that after encountering all of us and our very strong negative dispositions, then I suggest you get some sort of eye or brain surgery to help you along with that.

I do like how you also instinctually went to bringing up Will despite my not mentioning him whatsoever. I am curious, though, where is this supposed poor content? Can any of us see it? Or is it one of the many bullshit lines that gets tossed around like the hundreds of other very well-catalogued bullshit lines shown through screenshots on this thread?

You might not view 10 years of constant ups and downs, inconsistent dev cycles, poor coherency between community and devs, leaving/abandoning devs/writers, never-ending retcons/"feature completion", and double standards for writing quality as Dev Hell, but I sure as fuck do.

 

[devilaffect]

its ridiculous to think some problems dont deserve therapy, because any issue can cause mental blocks no matter how easily your brain has taught itself to gloss over them. thats also a form of trauma. and its ridiculous to say therapy isnt a real concerted effort, or even imply it wont/cant change your life. do you think therapy is coddling? it takes alot to face yourself. and with "just any problem", without therapy its the easiest thing in the world to repeat the same patterns while percieving them as a "real concerted effort" for that change in your life for decades when you could speedrun it in 1~3 years

you'd be suprised how much clarity therapy can give you. what your interests are, what theyre rooted in, where your focus is, ive lost several fetishes and gained others. i didnt need to spend months writing a character, i did it in an afternoon

I think there's still a misunderstanding. I'm not saying therapy is bad in any way. I'm saying that it may not always be the most appropriate solution to one's problems. Some problems can be solved by empowering yourself through changing your outlet for self expression be that with another hobby or by changing how you interact with that hobby.

 

[MarvintheBee]

on a completely unrelated tangent to what the recent topic is, Does anyone know how quickly you can get to corrupt Ahmri? cuz im curious to see what they did to her but my main saves are all way past that and pure runs. if im gonna do a quick restart into a corrupt one to see the content i want to know if i can do it quick or if id actually have to commit to being corrupt for a while.

Fairly quickly if you play story mode. Just go to the centaur village clear it, kill Ahmri''s dad, clear winter palace, build base wayfort, reach the undermountains and then go to the frosthound. And don't forget wait atleast 7 days after you defeated the centaur village.

 

[devilaffect]

I do like how you also instinctually went to bringing up Will despite my not mentioning him whatsoever.

Damn, that's crazy though, stressing out staff writers by making them do their job and finish shit up that they get paid for? It's almost like that's happened in the past coincidentally from content being labelled as feature complete while they're fenced off to fill in for other shit.

Really? Did you think alluding to instead of outright stating a situation that could literally only fit for Will would be plausible deniability? You are not worth talking to with this level of dishonesty. You are beyond bad faith.

 

[fdragonx7]

Fairly quickly if you play story mode. Just go to the centaur village clear it, kill Ahmri''s dad, clear winter palace, build base wayfort, reach the undermountains and then go to the frosthound. And don't forget wait atleast 7 days after you defeated the centaur village.

so uh, isnt that basically the entire story up to this point? if you gotta do palace and get to under thats all the main content i thought. though my time perception may be skewed from how fucking long it takes to get kiyoko to all 9 tails (legitimately the thing that most annoys me with doing new runs.)

 

[MarvintheBee]

so uh, isnt that basically the entire story up to this point? if you gotta do palace and get to under thats all the main content i thought. though my time perception may be skewed from how fucking long it takes to get kiyoko to all 9 tails (legitimately the thing that most annoys me with doing new runs.)

You don't have to do Kiyoko, don't do the hornets. You don't need the orcs. Just breeze through the points I have mentioned (don't forget to level up if you can), then you can see corrupted Ahmri in around 20-30 minutes.

 

[devilaffect]

Honestly dude I mostly agree with the shit your saying all day, but that part tickles me wrong.
We have statements from Wsan telling us how polls won't affect content instead they try with content to affct polls? Sadly I don't have that screenshotted but Alterism if you would be so nice?
Also look at the number for threesomes. Despite the fact that apparently no one wants them, we still get them like crazy.
Savin and Co just love smashing their oc's together too much. (Poor Eubicha)

It still shows that some of the things are people are most vocally against are wildly popular in the community and more importantly, the patrons. I would imagine the amount of threesome is partially inflated by the companion system since it would be weird to have a group and barely touch on any group dynamics.

To be fair I would absolutely believe that's the case without a screenshot. I'm of the opinion that the writers should write what they want and it would not surprise me if that was Wsan's sentiment. The quality tends to suffer when your force yourself to write.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

Really? Did you think alluding to instead of outright stating a situation that could literally only fit for Will would be plausible deniability? You are not worth talking to with this level of dishonesty. You are beyond bad faith.

And so, the other shoe drops. It's hardly astonishing that you're as full of shit as you actually are, knowing where you manifested yourself from.

You came out here for what, to try and peddle some bullshit and then disregard anything said to you over what you perceive as bad faith? A real Sun Tzu of the internet debate over here. Run in, cry a bunch of bullshit, and then run away.

It's alright though, little buddy; maybe next time when you go out to play missionary, you'll find a crowd more malleable to your stunning wits, good charm, and dicksucking skills.

 

[MoneyMan181]

They just need to have an actual argument if they want to see something changed. It took Misty months to get Steph Irson changed, but she stuck to her guns and meaningfully argued it to hell and back. I guess I just never understood screaming into the void about what you want in the game like there aren't thousands of people who probably want different things.

I and many others have made plenty of arguments over the years and to imply otherwise is bad faith. It is not hard to sort out the vitriol from the actual criticisms here. They simply don't care what anyone here has to say.

 

[devilaffect]

And so, the other shoe drops. It's hardly astonishing that you're as full of shit as you actually are, knowing where you manifested yourself from.

You came out here for what, to try and peddle some bullshit and then disregard anything said to you over what you perceive as bad faith? A real Sun Tzu of the internet debate over here. Run in, cry a bunch of bullshit, and then run away.

It's alright though, little buddy; maybe next time when you go out to play missionary, you'll find a crowd more malleable to your stunning wits, good charm, and dicksucking skills.

It's hardly running to refuse to argue with somebody who has to outright lie and has no defense for said lie. So instead you pivot because you know you have no argument and no moral ground to stand on. It don't hate you. I pity you.

 

[dolosolo]

I think there's still a misunderstanding. I'm not saying therapy is bad in any way. I'm saying that it may not always be the most appropriate solution to one's problems. Some problems can be solved by empowering yourself

you said you would never disparage someone for going to therapy, implying there are reasons to do that. and here it sounds like you dont see therapy as a way of empowering yourself which i obviously disagree. i still believe therapy would drastically do more for the game and these writers burnout than a set dressing pallet cleanser

 

[devilaffect]

I and many others have made plenty of arguments over the years and to imply otherwise is bad faith. It is not hard to sort out the vitriol from the actual criticisms here. They simply don't care what anyone here has to say.

I don't doubt that, but there's almost 2000 pages on this forums alone. It would be tedious at the very least. And the ones spewing outright lies aren't doing anybody any favors. Just because the relationship between the devs and community on this forum is rough, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

It's hardly running to refuse to argue with somebody who has to outright lie and has no defense for said lie. So instead you pivot because you know you have no argument and no moral ground to stand on. It don't hate you. I pity you.

Where did I lie? Where was it mentioning Will outside of a situation? Did I outright deny his ties to my statement outside of not mentioning him?

That's where your bad faith comes in. It's hardly pivoting when the persons response is to essentially say, "Nuh uh, I don't want to talk to you no more because I perceive you as a BAD ACTOR."

You're some random on the internet; lay your emotional disc out in regards to me whichever way you want to spin it; I'm going to think you're full of shit regardless.

 

[devilaffect]

you said you would never disparage someone for going to therapy, implying there are reasons to do that. and here it sounds like you dont see therapy as a way of empowering yourself which i obviously disagree. i still believe therapy would drastically do more for the game and these writers than a set dressing pallet cleanser

It's more so that therapy isn't the only way to empower oneself. In my head it's help yourself first and then if you can't do that go seek professional help.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Ok can we stop this argument now?

Like I normally really like arguing, but this discussion feels pointless.
Honestly at this point I would rather go back to shitting on Tobs for the 10th time or hating on futa content. (pls don't)
Can't we talk about something more interesting like idk, how companions are shitty implenented in this game.
Or idk talk about content we look forward too? Or do something completly basic and talk about our favourite characters?
(On that note does somebody know if we can make polls in this comment section, I for one would be really interrested in something like that.)
Anything with atleast some substance.

 

[dolosolo]

It's more so that therapy isn't the only way to empower oneself. In my head it's help yourself first and then if you can't do that go seek professional help.

yeah thats fantastic and all but it would be even better if "helping yourself" didnt bloat the game