John Jonner

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Wow never realized that literally half the game is optional content. You could speed run the game in like 2 hours
To be fair game is a sandbox. I don't think people are here for the main story it's just a vehicle to move the player around to do things. I think you could rush the demon queen pretty fast in CoC1 too but that was obviously unfinished
 

Vyran22

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Khorminos was rolled out in 2021. We've been stuck there for 4 years now.
So, yes, with the snail's pace of CoC2 development, this is a recent roadmap. :HideThePain:
Which is insane considering that it feels like half of the city is blacked out from venturing into, it is like the outskirts and one street. And he says it was 2/3 of the way done 2 years ago? Fucking hell, what is behind the Arena? The palace itself and that is it? Place feels more like a tollbooth castle.
 

dolosolo

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Netwise I don't have a problem with the format and actually prefer it to a compilation of smut stories. Well. More so in TiTS. Like I said, they could have kept TiTS going forever at the pre JS conversion pace and I'd have been happy.

There's a bunch of small, generally slept on features in CoC1 and TiTS that help with mental space when setting up the scene or playing the character that would be absent in a pure novelized format. For the sake of brevity, let's say that the immersion would be lost if you just read about two things happening to two character's you're detatched to.

Which in hindsight is virtually what happens with CoC2 anyways.
Hmm...

This is an interesting topic I want to revisit again later.
To be fair game is a sandbox. I don't think people are here for the main story it's just a vehicle to move the player around to do things. I think you could rush the demon queen pretty fast in CoC1 too but that was obviously unfinished
a compilation of smut stories is the lowest form you can enjoy a fenco game. using the game as a menu to click though the parts you enjoy is very mean criticism for any game dev trying to construct a world(i am not implying thats what theyre trying), unfortunately i dont see care taken to avoid this. the game takes every oppurtunity to slingshot sex at you with very little build up.(i still want the rpg to rp so bad). it's up to an npc's writing to fix this design or lack thereof, bc the world doesnt have it. the "small, slept on fearures" i cant name them, but i do find coc1 and early tits to draw me into the soup of it all, far more visceral, than coc2. flags that matter(the ones that did matter offered a lot) and not just appearance but perks in tits have so much more text. coc1 on your own, micromanaging your corruption level was cinema. adding a camp companion so that you might just have an easier survival, cinema(best context for companions to date). the upgraded damage you dealt with an item you found, the scaling, it was all cinema. at points, coc2 will skimp on "small, slept on features" entirely shifting the burden of detail onto the npc, to craft enviornment.

mostly this a quest issue, sometimes theres a wall of descriptive text(often enviormental setting) above an ensuing scene, breaking up scene pacing. you get this description 100% of the time sorry, we werent checking for flags. descriptions end up not feeling special, bc whats happening isnt special, its completely scripted. theres no modulatity/moddability, then theres no drama, its all strictly for the bedroom. mostly a quest issue... i feel like the vehicle is showing me its instruction manual, whenever pace slows and i have to read a quest text wall, contextualizing why x is right fucking there in my strike zone holy fuck im gonna miss them omg omg. instead of how sexual tension might be taking shape, and what this means for the task at hand/moving/navigating forward, should we act on it??(we act on it(except when we dont oho)). instead the vehicle could be drifting around that corner(technically would be opposite of cutting corners) bc i made x my bitch that one time its canon now, add the flag, that was a fated event(make it feel exactly like that). its less immersive and kindof an oversight with how ambitious the coc2 plot is. to not make the story as cinematic, divergent, and sexy(via "small, slept on features").. oh? sexy, only in the bedroom? sorry savin of course how foolish my mistake. there is no sexual tension in the main quest, and most side quests. forget about kas, shes the ~romanceable big bad. its literally imposible for her to not be contentious/ not fulfill the trope of forbidden love. these stories arent very sexy creatively, or otherwise. the world isnt sexy. theres no drama. tollus/kasyrra betrayal for power/korminos, is dramatic,, very sexy mr. tollus. and tollus is not sexy to me sorry. regardless, no corrupted km? very unsexy, mr tollus. forget writers for a moment. savin as a director makes early fenoxo look like martin scorcesee. he gave his games more immersion and tone w/o using text wall quests. there isnt any romance for this world, the devs pour all the romance into individual npc's and savin explains their involvment via context.docx, the characters eat all the romance while the world starves. unrelated but it felt relevant to put here, i remember looking at the north east path leading away from central hawkthorne and thinking lol who the fuck designed this bullshit.

its so easy for me to see the game as a vehicle for your favorite parts of the compilation, bc the vehicle is so uncompelling. i feel like the devs need to solve parser soup. i think the writers would then have so much more freedom, but also would need to write alot more. which is why time and energy cant go towards bloat, characters who are inconsequential + other things. imagine we were invested enough in the story to speculate what comes next, instead of wondering when it'll be over. imagine if they also invested outside the bedroom(less island characters here for a quick succ), to get things like "small, slept on features" delivered in spades for the SEQUEL. maybe the flags/parsers/whatever the fuck, sort you into multiple renditions of the same plotline ? yeah its more to write, more to plan in the SEQUEL. maybe flags/perks/items/completed events/all modifiers change more game descriptions into frequent, tone setting, storytelling, pace complimenting player character specific NARRATIVE. that isnt LOADED to a SINGLE aspect of the gAmE(~romanceable npc's). lets give it up for act 3 please do a flip
 

alexiblis

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Um, tried this, couldn't get any of those things (had Cait with me obviously)
Only option for Rimescore was me or Drifa.
The 2 merchants didn't have those - is it dependent on what set Cait's wearing when you speak to them?
for grimoire you need to buy it from tanuki and give it to cait, say go for it. after that she needs a few days. for rimscore she needs to be on the mission and have read grimoire. for minotown go to female furry fox merchant and you need cait in the party.
Pyreharp clasp doesnt even say anything got increased, you must see the increase in character shit
 
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Raptor_RXN

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adding a camp companion so that you might just have an easier survival
Spam exploring the forest in a panic to find Jojo enough to recruit him, because you know that if you don't you're gonna get raped in the night by the imp gang early game is an experience in an of itself that dwarfs all of CoC2. Even without any sex scenes, and a fraction of the text a CoC2 character has, pureJojo puts every character in CoC2 (except Kas) to shame.
I miss that lil mouse like you wouldn't believe.
 

YouShallNotLol

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Is there a problem with what I wrote? Also, sorry if this reply is late.
CoC2 development team is increasingly anti-player. 99% chance they will ignore honest feedback. And the other 1% chance - they will do the opposite of what is suggested. They are much more keen on removing or cutting down the content, rather than adding it.
They create absurd, arbitrary rules just about anything. Like pregnancy content being a one-time-only thing for many characters (mainly done by TOBS). Or writers not being allowed to write content for other writers' characters, so if your favourite character so happens to be from an inactive writer - sucks yo be you. Or the companion deadline, that had expired two years ago, and means there will be no new companions added ever.
And don't even let me begin on the dev team infighting that regularly causes writers to drop out of the project.


TL;DR: You have better luck landing on the surface of the Sun, than trying to positively influence CoC2 development.
 
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To be fair game is a sandbox. I don't think people are here for the main story it's just a vehicle to move the player around to do things. I think you could rush the demon queen pretty fast in CoC1 too but that was obviously unfinished
I've been waiting for the finale of Kassyra's arc for too long. Least in 1, I knew it's shortcomings were due to it being a shot in the dark, and the story got to the point it was making.

At this rate, I'll be playing Star Citizen before this game stops blueballing.
 

Yeppers34

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To be fair game is a sandbox. I don't think people are here for the main story it's just a vehicle to move the player around to do things. I think you could rush the demon queen pretty fast in CoC1 too but that was obviously unfinished
The main story is literally the most important part of any game it's supposed to keep your interest and drive the player to keep going to see the conclusion while the optional stuff is mainly used to encourage exploration and provide rewards like more lore, items, companions, quests that since this game likes to present itself like your actions have consequences could affect the outcome of how the story ends but considering none of the developers like corruption that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. But what I'm try to get at is that I'm not expecting like a triple A game here but with a main story this bare bones after what like 8 or 9 years of development is just a little ridiculous
 

GokutheG

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Wow Cait really is getting special treatment. She gets three items which boost her stats in all her sets,
Phyreheart clasp - 10 spellpower, 10 fire res , just bought in minotown
Rimbound grimoire +5 spellpower +5 critical, bought from tanuki mearchant
Rimscore - howling in the dark quest, give it to her : 15 frost damage to staff sets,
all sets: +10 Spellpower, +20 Armor, +20 Ward
Only the shemale elf gets like 10holy damage in bow sets and 10 crit from one quest.
She gets THREE boosts , 25 spellpower... This is insane...
For all his faults Savin(&Wsan) is the only writer to actually put in the work to support his companion character. As someone who loves companions in RPGs Cait and Ryn actually feel like they are an important part of the world. From sets to actual story reactivity it feels like your missing out if you don't bring one of his characters along.
 

GokutheG

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Is there a problem with what I wrote? Also, sorry if this reply is late.
Nothing wrong with what you wrote in fact you made some really nice suggestions. The problem is that the dev team isn't...capable of implementing those ideas.
 

Tsubuhaza

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I found the recent edition of so-called "roadmap" from Savin.
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Subway map morelike. It even has the hidden final station for repairs and shit.

Which is insane considering that it feels like half of the city is blacked out from venturing into, it is like the outskirts and one street. And he says it was 2/3 of the way done 2 years ago? Fucking hell, what is behind the Arena? The palace itself and that is it? Place feels more like a tollbooth castle.
Maybe they're going by Tekken 3 rules where the background just expands eternally. The rest of the city is just Paul's stage with the Soul Edge graffiti.

Spam exploring the forest in a panic to find Jojo enough to recruit him, because you know that if you don't you're gonna get raped in the night by the imp gang early game is an experience in an of itself that dwarfs all of CoC2. Even without any sex scenes, and a fraction of the text a CoC2 character has, pureJojo puts every character in CoC2 (except Kas) to shame.
I miss that lil mouse like you wouldn't believe.
Jojo is what whatshisface wishes he was.
 
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