Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.37] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

It does speak volumes that he was given the go ahead, even if it did get out of hand. I do vaguely remember Tobs having consent to write a loss scene for Brienne which is why I thought Wsan was chill with the concept, if not the execution.

Exactly It was approved, and if they'd be honest it was the reaction of the fanbase that likely sparked Wsan saying no to future authors and not the concept or execution. One of many problems I see with Tobs is that he wants to abuse the PC (from social to emotional to sexual) but doesn't want to give the option of revenge or "get back," a prime example is a defeat scene with the Demontaur (the Cult group that's the best Gold Farm in the game) where you are held down and made to watch a teammate get fucked, the Taur is ultra disrespectful and clowns on you with relish. Now I thought that would unlock a rougher win scene for him where our character is out to get even but that never happens and your are just left there with no satisfaction if you aren't into humiliation. And I don't need to mention the Kitsune Den, plenty of people have said their piece on that.

Yeah I do find the "Won't someone think of the children!" thing somewhat comical. You're not forced to expose the kids to anything, and you already have the option to collect demons like they're pokemon in there. If you want a kid friendly playground, you have the necessary tools or headcanon needed to untraumatize those poor made up children you've been irresponsibly breeding like weeds.

I admit I didn't think about the kids. I stay away from having kids in this kind of games since wholesome content bores me to no end and pregnancy usually involves a lot of wholesome scenes so I didn't even know that you could have them running around the Wayfort and thought that they were all in Gwyn's nursery. Like, idk, why do you guys let your kids run around a fortress full of naked demons and sexed up plants and maids in the first place? This is why in porn games, kids should be non existant outside the clearly delimited areas like nurseries, at least in my opinion.

I honestly don't know what else to say regarding this point. Maybe we can all headcannon it as the courtyard being off limits to children.

Honestly, think children should be used in some way in this game (NO PEDO shiii), the time period the game takes place in had children work along side their parents, in fields, in churches, the head writers inject too much modernity into the setting. As it goes for the enemies, they should be kidnapping kids to use for sacrifices or resources (like in The VVitch or 40K), the game not even acknowledging their existence outside of the nursery or the players brood is lame imo. Like, Khor'minos' water supply is being poisoned do you expect me to believe children aren't affected?

 

[VPedge]

Ntr is strongly related to cuckolding, don't be so afraid of labels and liking what you like.

ntr not my thing just using it as an example because its a talking point to the vast amount of people who trash it

 

[arcader000]

The stocks are simultaneously both empty and full.

Feel like the description of the tile text is probably the least read text in the game so I would never have noticed this error either honestly.

Exactly It was approved, and if they'd be honest it was the reaction of the fanbase that likely sparked Wsan saying no to future authors and not the concept or execution.

See did he though? Maybe he had an open green light for people to write scenes for her, tobs pulls a tobs and pitches it to Savin but doesn't run it by wsan more than "I'm writing a defeat scene" if even that. From what I know of tobs that scenario makes way more sense then wsan approving of something he's not into only to walk it back later due to backlash.

 

[Skandranon]

See did he though? Maybe he had an open green light for people to write scenes for her, tobs pulls a tobs and pitches it to Savin but doesn't run it by wsan more than "I'm writing a defeat scene" if even that. From what I know of tobs that scenario makes way more sense then wsan approving of something he's not into only to walk it back later due to backlash.

Pretty sure this is exactly what happened. Wsan didn't even know what was in the scene until someone told him.

I dunno how true this is across the board, but its been stated a lot of them don't read each other's content, including when someone else writes their characters.

Also, I think Savin asked Tobs to write a defeat scene for hobs, and Tobs just wrote this one, from what I remember on the discussion. I also am pretty sure it wasn't so much an open green light as Tobs asked to use Brienne, Wsan said sure, and Tobs just wrote a really rapey scene because Tobs.

 

[harem.king]

See did he though? Maybe he had an open green light for people to write scenes for her, tobs pulls a tobs and pitches it to Savin but doesn't run it by wsan more than "I'm writing a defeat scene" if even that. From what I know of tobs that scenario makes way more sense then wsan approving of something he's not into only to walk it back later due to backlash.

timeline was more of a:
wsan's character is voted most popular char in the game
Savin asked wsan to write some scenes for said char
wsan says no, this is my char
Savin throws a public tantrum saying the char is dead to him
suddenly for no reason at all tobs secretly writes ntr scenes for that char
savin approves it in secret without informing wsan and it is added to the game
wsan finds out later from fans complaining and him being genuinely confused
savin "well it is too late now. can't remove it since it has been in the game for a while"
wsan says he is thinking about quitting
wsan finally decides to accept things as is and stay. but they all agreed that from now on nobody else gets to write anything for his character except him. "locking" the character

 

[VPedge]

timeline was more of a:
wsan's character is voted most popular char in the game
Savin asked wsan to write some scenes for said char
wsan says no, this is my char
Savin throws a tantrum saying the char is dead to him
suddenly for no reason at all tobs writes ntr scenes for that char
savin approves it in secret without informing wsan and it is added to the game
wsan finds out later from fans complaining and him being genuinely confused
savin "well it is too late now. can't remove it since it has been in the game for a while"
wsan says he is thinking about quitting
wsan finally decides to accept things as is and stay. but they all agreed that from now on nobody else gets to write anything for his character except him. "locking" the character

that is so childish lol i can kinda understand where wsan is coming from

 

[Skandranon]

This is what I mean when I say some of the takes on here are wild. Half of this stuff is completely unrelated, and some just isn't true.

timeline was more of a:
wsan's character is voted most popular char in the game

Kiyoko was 1st in the poll they had at the time.

Savin asked wsan to write some scenes for said char
wsan says no, this is my char
Savin throws a public tantrum saying the char is dead to him

This was like...a year and a half before the rest of this. Completely unrelated, and like two sentences. Nobody was up in arms about this.

suddenly for no reason at all tobs secretly writes ntr scenes for that char
savin approves it in secret without informing wsan and it is added to the game

Afaik, Savin asked Tobs to write one of the Hobgoblin defeat scenes, Tobs asked Wsan if he could use Brienne, Wsan said sure. Nothing happened "in secret".

wsan finds out later from fans complaining and him being genuinely confused
savin "well it is too late now. can't remove it since it has been in the game for a while"

Savin was fine with removing it, Wsan was the one that said eh, its already in the game.
They ended up removing it later, again, mostly because other people didn't like it, not because Wsan asked afaik.

wsan says he is thinking about quitting
wsan finally decides to accept things as is and stay.

I have never seen anywhere him say anything vaguely close to this. The only place I've ever seen this is here, in some random post that the person who made it couldn't back up at all when asked.

This is literally Wsan's only job and his entire source of income.


It wasn't that big a deal. The ONLY people who think this was some huge controversy are the ones on this forum.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

See did he though? Maybe he had an open green light for people to write scenes for her, tobs pulls a tobs and pitches it to Savin but doesn't run it by wsan more than "I'm writing a defeat scene" if even that. From what I know of tobs that scenario makes way more sense then wsan approving of something he's not into only to walk it back later due to backlash.

I wouldn't believe that for a second, these guys work together and are very anal about their rules. I don't like them personally but I doubt that type of infighting occurs. You would notice it and hear about it within the fandom.

 

[Lucky_I]

What every controversy talked about here actually ends ups being in a nutshell.

 

[zwere]

Afaik, Savin asked Tobs to write one of the Hobgoblin defeat scenes, Tobs asked Wsan if he could use Brienne, Wsan said sure. Nothing happened "in secret".

Savin was fine with removing it, Wsan was the one that said eh, its already in the game.
They ended up removing it later, again, mostly because other people didn't like it, not because Wsan asked afaik.

Okay, if this is all true then I mostly feel vindicated on the matter.

It wasn't that big a deal. The ONLY people who think this was some huge controversy are the ones on this forum.

Eh, if it wasn't that big of a deal, it wouldn't have been removed. Enough people made a stink for that to happen so obviously it mattered to people outside the few regulars here.

I don't like them personally but I doubt that type of infighting occurs. You would notice it and hear about it within the fandom.

I wouldn't make any serious assumption either way. Infighting within the team is the exact thing you'll never hear about, unless someone gets shitcanned from the team and decides to start spilling all the tea since they have nothing to lose.

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What every controversy talked about here actually ends ups being in a nutshell.

It's a goofy ahh porn game, of course the controversies are gonna be mostly mid.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I wouldn't believe that for a second, these guys work together and are very anal about their rules. I don't like them personally but I doubt that type of infighting occurs. You would notice it and hear about it within the fandom.

Well, we didn't see or hear almost anything about drama around HugsAlright, until he got booted off the project.
And most people only noticed because of Berwyn getting axed from companions.

 

[Skandranon]

Eh, if it wasn't that big of a deal, it wouldn't have been removed. Enough people made a stink for that to happen so obviously it mattered to people outside the few regulars here.

People definitely didn't like the scene, of course (though its still fairly low on list of complaints about this game).

I mean compared to the idea around here that it was some convoluted two-year long revenge plot against Wsan cooked up by Savin and backed by Tobs, instead of Tobs just...doing the same thing Tobs always does.

 

[VPedge]

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What every controversy talked about here actually ends ups being in a nutshell.

its a porn game bro any form of controversy will be childish at best

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

This is what I mean when I say some of the takes on here are wild. Half of this stuff is completely unrelated, and some just isn't true.



Kiyoko was 1st in the poll they had at the time.



This was like...a year and a half before the rest of this. Completely unrelated, and like two sentences. Nobody was up in arms about this.



Afaik, Savin asked Tobs to write one of the Hobgoblin defeat scenes, Tobs asked Wsan if he could use Brienne, Wsan said sure. Nothing happened "in secret".



Savin was fine with removing it, Wsan was the one that said eh, its already in the game.
They ended up removing it later, again, mostly because other people didn't like it, not because Wsan asked afaik.



I have never seen anywhere him say anything vaguely close to this. The only place I've ever seen this is here, in some random post that the person who made it couldn't back up at all when asked.

This is literally Wsan's only job and his entire source of income.


It wasn't that big a deal. The ONLY people who think this was some huge controversy are the ones on this forum.

I mean that's one too many "afaik" added to a post criticizing others about info. Showing you're about as knowledgeable as the next random you're trying to question. Hell only the 1st two you seem sure of. With the second seemingly up in the air between folks. On top of that, however bias it is. Everyone here has the ability to go travel back down fuckery lane. And indulge themselves in examples with accompany screenshots. That some of the writers just seem like spiteful dicks.

I'm not saying it's either way. I don't particularly care because I'm here for the funsies. And however fun it is to ride the hate train. This is all old news that has transpired and played out how it played out.

 

[fetishgirl]

I admit I didn't think about the kids. I stay away from having kids in this kind of games since wholesome content bores me to no end and pregnancy usually involves a lot of wholesome scenes so I didn't even know that you could have them running around the Wayfort and thought that they were all in Gwyn's nursery. Like, idk, why do you guys let your kids run around a fortress full of naked demons and sexed up plants and maids in the first place? This is why in porn games, kids should be non existant outside the clearly delimited areas like nurseries, at least in my opinion.

I honestly don't know what else to say regarding this point. Maybe we can all headcannon it as the courtyard being off limits to children.

You and Skandranon would get on really well then.

As for me never did the scene so it didn't bother me. Never been a fan of sex scenes my MC isn't part of don't mind 2 characters fucking each other for a while as long as my MC gets some action in the sex scene. As for kids and pregnancy I don't think it is just the wholesome aspect but there is the power dynamic to it as well. Kind of like the MC ending CoC 2 as a god emperor/empress of the world with Kas and all so called gods as part of your harem while your children bring law and order to the world under your rule. For every corrupted being killed or every being killed by demons/wraiths you repopulate the world with your seed/womb. I see legacy inheritance as more than just wholesome. I think its a matter of perspective and having a child binds you to a character in a way a ring or a vow can't as well.

I can't speak for everyone here but I do know a lot of people love the wholesome aspect of it like you said but for me I can enjoy it more for the reasons stated above but won't say no to any wholesome scenes either. At least I get why you aren't too fond of pregnancy as you want to focus more on the sex scenes which I can respect. Also there are loads of characters you can have kids with that you can't interact with so I think people would prefer pregnancy with zero interaction over no pregnancy at all.

ChubbyFatBoy makes a good point and to sum up most people here are after years of CoC 2

 

[Christ P Bacon]

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it's not a futa cock bro, it's a girl-cock. so it's not actually gay y know

 

[Gambit33]

you can already just open the files and change whatever you want
for example some of my biggest ask are transformations giving you combat skills, like gaining wings giving you access to flight as an on-will extra ability, but wouldn't call it a proper mod since I never bothered to complete it in the way that if you lose the wings you lose the ability lol, just a personal modification for an specific run
or some extra flavor text for backgrounds when I felt like "oh I would have liked it mentoned here", or benching/running on the hawkethrone gym giving permanent base strengh and agility (its as broken as you expect under this system, but its fun)
I personally don't have a problem with the content itself, and I'm not a writer and ESL as fuck, so would never add something big like dedicking ryn, or giving brienne a futa cock, I could make the code for it for someone else, but never gonna write an extended piece of text lol, I would like more maincharacterism(?) for the MC in scenes you get sidelined as fuck, but I'm not able to write anything on that without cringing at myself and dropping it regardless of already making extra buttons and variables that problerly track for it ready if I ever finished it lmao

Wait, didn't the dickwad devs essentially nixed the idea of modding for fear of people fixing their trash writing? I thought they made the code needlessly complex to deter modders?

If it is possible to mod Wich files should I open to edit weapons?

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Exactly It was approved, and if they'd be honest it was the reaction of the fanbase that likely sparked Wsan saying no to future authors and not the concept or execution. One of many problems I see with Tobs is that he wants to abuse the PC (from social to emotional to sexual) but doesn't want to give the option of revenge or "get back," a prime example is a defeat scene with the Demontaur (the Cult group that's the best Gold Farm in the game) where you are held down and made to watch a teammate get fucked, the Taur is ultra disrespectful and clowns on you with relish. Now I thought that would unlock a rougher win scene for him where our character is out to get even but that never happens and your are just left there with no satisfaction if you aren't into humiliation. And I don't need to mention the Kitsune Den, plenty of people have said their piece on that.

Did we as the PC touch his no no square or something? Almost every time I've seen this Tobs dude mentioned. It's in reference to some one sided crap he's putting the mc through. Like modern-day Hollywood levels of contempt for the fans. Except he gets the bonus ability to dedicate the whole thing into fucking with you. Like the PC is a stand-in for us. So are we a stand-in for him, with someone he hates in life? Because goddamn. Personal feelings aside though. As one vindictive and petty person to another. I would be in awe at his craft in a different time. But alas, he is poo pooing on me as well so.

 

[Alterism]

What's going on here? Clearly Tobs succeeded in mining salt if Hobs is still enough to rile this place up.

Let's make the order of operations a bit more clear.

Spoiler: no more hobs. They can't hurt you anymore.

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Wait, didn't the dickwad devs essentially mixed the idea of modding for fear of people fixing their trash writing?

No. The only thing they didn't do is make the game easily moddable because they didn't like that some mods existed. There's a difference between making additional tools to aid in modability and making a game more difficult to mod. The game IS moddable and had a mod.

The one mod that existed that had content, Drifa was added to the game nearly half a year before she ended up in CoC2 proper. The ability has always been there, nobody has cared to work on it and the short-lived modding scene died (partially as a result of not many people have the skillset necessary to work on it to begin with).

This isn't going to be a CoC1 situation where the writers already existed and so they just kept going after the game was... finished.

Nobody is waiting for a proper time. Nobody wants to "fix" the game at all.

Spoiler: I really need to stop doing this

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This isn't like CoC1

Spoiler: CoC1

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TL;DR
Writers aren't happening
Programmers aren't happening
Mod isn't happening

Most of this was inspired by the sentiment that "the mod will fix it". We had one, it didn't do anything.

 

[VPedge]

What's going on here? Clearly Tobs succeeded in mining salt if Hobs is still enough to rile this place up.

Let's make the order of operations a bit more clear.

Spoiler: no more hobs. They can't hurt you anymore.

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No. The only thing they didn't do is make the game easily moddable because they didn't like that some mods existed. There's a difference between making additional tools to aid in modability and making a game more difficult to mod. The game IS moddable and had a mod.

The one mod that existed that had content, Drifa was added to the game nearly half a year before she ended up in CoC2 proper. The ability has always been there, nobody has cared to work on it and the short-lived modding scene died (partially as a result of not many people have the skillset necessary to work on it to begin with).

This isn't going to be a CoC1 situation where the writers already existed and so they just kept going after the game was... finished.

Nobody is waiting for a proper time. Nobody wants to "fix" the game at all.

Spoiler: I really need to stop doing this

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This isn't like CoC1

Spoiler: CoC1

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TL;DR
Writers aren't happening
Programmers aren't happening
Mod isn't happening

Most of this was inspired by the sentiment that "the mod will fix it". We had one, it didn't do anything.