Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.37] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[K1ng_C00mer]

It's worse when you realize through Gweyr's Quest that she could have easily killed him right then and there, preventing this entire God awful timeline, but would rather be hot shit. I mean, she had no trouble killing all the kids that were a part of his cult, but when it came time for Tollus? Nah, just break his hand and goof off. Great character, so glad she's a clearly a hero and not a murderous psychopath. So glad the only options are to console her or admit she's a monster, but that's a good thing.

Mmm, yup, that was when I knew there was no hope for this story. Being forced into the POV of a character I didn't care about, being forced to wade through walls of text I didn't want to read, all for a cliche, eye-rolling excuse of a backstory that felt like it was ripped straight out of RWBY. Gweyr is basically Raven, so I guess it fits. Only difference is I'd still fuck Raven, you couldn't pay me to fuck Gweyr.

Can I just say the POV shifting into other characters is a awful mechanic that they need to stop using? Every single time it's come up, it's resulted in shitty loredump that you've got to just sit through. It's the equivalent of a ten minute cutscene starting.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Wait it's actually canon that one of the side characters can actually do better at being champ than you? Than why isnt he out there fightning already?

When champ was getting dicked down by futa cocks.
He was studying the blade.

 

[LubricatedKitty]

That's really one of my main gripes with the setting. Savin was so eager to stop the power fantasy of the chosen one, that he wrote himself into a pickle. There are just no real reason for you to save the world. Except the fact that Kas wants your soul which got "empowered" by chance.
We have 7 "gods" who could easily stop Kas, but just don't? But also some non gods apparently could do it like Carmen, who just doesn't because of she has ptsd from blowing up Hawkethorne in the past by "accident".

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Like bro we get it, the champ doesn't matter. Kassyra will never succeed with her plan. She is no threat to this world.

There is just a real disconnect with the stakes in this.
That happens when you want to make a world ending threat, but also don't want to do the "generic power fantasy".

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Better start praying that we don't just "tip the scales" at the end of the game.

I mean the same thing happens with Aang in Avatar TLA. He hurts Katara and he swears never to firebend again. It's a common story trope where people who can't control their power hurt others and would rather not fight at all moving forward.

Some stories handle it far better than others. Though Savin and team aren't established writers like the people who make these popular shows and franchises are. So it makes sense they may not be able to write the type of stories they're looking to write.

It seems they're strengths are smut scenes, basic lore creation (not more advanced lore creation), and moment to moment writing, occasionally relationships. Horrible at story consistency and protagonist.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

I mean the same thing happens with Aang in Avatar TLA. He hurts Katara and he swears never to firebend again. It's a common story trope where people who can't control their power hurt others and would rather not fight at all moving forward.

Some stories handle it far better than others. Though Savin and team aren't established writers like the people who make these popular shows and franchises are. So it makes sense they may not be able to write the type of stories they're looking to write.

It seems they're strengths are smut scenes, basic lore creation (not more advanced lore creation), and moment to moment writing, occasionally relationships. Horrible at story consistency and protagonist.

Well, this game was based off of Savin and his friend's DND campaigns. I'm pretty sure Savin thought this was his big break, his chance to really show everyone his skills as a dungeon master and writer and craft this rich world filled with lore. You see it in the decisions he makes. We're not like other fantasy! Our dragons are dead! Our Minotaurs are smart! And it's bronze aged even though nothing really shows this, but it's like this because technology regressed from fucking magical steampunk with fucking battleships even though that's not how technology works and the Kitsune know ironworking and why the fuck hasn't anyone just stole the tech or a disgruntled Kitsune blacksmith just go work for someone else holy shit Savin how fucking stupid are you- Ahem

Like I said in a previous post. I think Savin knows to an extent he's fucked it up. The issue is, it's been nearly seven years and it's too late to reverse course. It would mean essentially going back and deleting years worth of work to try to fix things. Entire quest lines, characters, locations, and items would need to be revised, and where would you start? Honestly, it's stuff like that which makes me hesitant when I think about modding this game, it's why I was waiting for this game to get nearer to the end so that I can finally get an overview of how much I'm going to have to gut and fix.

The Kitsune who were my main focus are going to take a lot of effort. I've only sort of given thought about the Mallachites, and the Orcs. I've not even touched on the Minos, the Elves, the other religions, what I'd want to do with Garth and his family, the other companions besides Kiyoko, the Baroness and Evergreen, Evelyn, Berwyn, Kas and Tollus, making the Winter City not suck, making the writing consistent, trimming Tobs' writing, and that's not touching the dozens of other side stuff like one off characters, finishing abandoned characters, and adding new stuff.