Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[harem.king]

So it's completely unmoddabble already? I know it's no good on that front and I haven't seen any mods; game bitches even about edited saves.

Yea. the writing team was extremely salty that mods were removing their super spechual OC donut steel from the game. Or letting players taket he dominant position with their self insert who must always dom and rape the players and never be a sub ever.

Devs literally wrote essays ranting about how mods are EVIL
Saying shit like
> "we accept scene submissions from public. the only reason to ever make a mod for our games is if your writing is so shitty it could not pass a review. thus mods are all going to be trash".

And spent a lot of effort into making CoC2 and TITS to be unmoddable (well, as much as they could get them too).

There is apparently one tiny tiny mod that was released once. but then stopped after only 1 release.
My guess is that fenoxo changed their anti modding schema to shut it down.

 

[Wrynn13]

A hypothetical.
Let's say CoC II Redone happens, and the team behind it finally gets their shit together:

-the world has good lore that doesn't contradict itself, instead building a comprehensive world
-combat/inventory/movement mechanics are smooth and good
-characters (npcs or companions if there will be any) are likeable and have good backstory, interactions and qeustlines
-the player character is in the spotlight again and the game is back to being a player-driven powerfantasy
-your choices in fact matter and game can be completed with various outcomes
-devs close all forms of communication, their forum circlejerk vanishing into the mist

BUT, there is a tradeoff:

-all characters are furries or scalies, at least the sexable ones
-all chatacters are futas and shemales, men and women barely existing
-lead dev's OC is back at it again being the (2nd this time) most important character in the story
-the devs write only their fetishes and nothing else, even if you don't like it
-updates don't happen until a piece of content is fully done and integrated with the rest of the game
-game bricks if you try to mod it

Do you take the trade? Does it make it better or worse for you? It's the only way I could see it happened if they actually buckled to all the (rigthful) criticism, while probably still keeping their schenanigans. Or that's my hypothesis, at least.

Hard no. The first two parts of the so called tradeoff alone would kill the game harder for me than Savin's bullshit.

 

[Alphonsocat]

Hard no. The first two changes alone would kill the game harder for me than Savin's bullshit.

they just need to add more incest and loli to get more people, these are the only tags missing atm as far as we noticed.

 

[Wrynn13]

they just need to add more incest and loli to get more people, these are the only tags missing atm as far as we noticed.

Wouldn't change anything for me. making the game more furry and with less females is a hard pass, it's barely tolerable as is.

 

[Duderino]

Welllll, she does have a BDSM dungeon iirc full of pregnant unwilling torture victims.

In which your character can decide to "punish" her by banging her in front of said victims.

I still consider that less degen than the temple since the game acknowledges it for what it is and in the grand scheme of things isn't even that off for the setting.

As soon as you step 3 feet outside of a village you'll have 10 different creatures lining up to rape and impregnate or get impregnated by you and if you beat them you get to be the one raping them* so by that point it doesn't even register

*though it's mostly written as "they're asking for it" anyway as it's a very hypersexed setting so it never feels super dark

This isn't even a complaint as I like kas and I think she ends up being one of the good things about the game just that the setting and worldbuilding aren't something you can take seriously even in silly porn game terms(like monster girl quest is also a silly hypersexed world but the world building is consistent and you can engage with it on those terms if you want)

Brienne is a good example of how the corruption thing can feel "off" in the setting, Brienne is the devoted waifu and even has a dream/nightmare scene where she gets corrupted by Kas but when you consider the scenes with Kas and Aileh and how she treats her family versus Brienne wanting to see you rawdog and impregnate her immediate family, even wanting to get into a 4 way marriage with her own sister and mother you got to wonder how much more "corrupt" could Kas really make her, I feel if I were to introduce them Brienne would be the one trying to corrupt Kas into becoming another one of your breeding wives, it's why the Kas romance path is the only way that playing this story can make sense to me, because fighting her to stop "corruption" doesn't make much sense when you look at the rest of the world but if you're just chasing after the demonussy while fucking everything on the way then it makes some sense at least

 

[ExcitedTengu]

Tollus 2024, let's make cults honest again.

Honestly yeah, the pretenders that call themselves gods in this setting don't deserve worship.

 

[Skandranon]

And spent a lot of effort into making CoC2 and TITS to be unmoddable (well, as much as they could get them too).

I don't think they've done anything at all to prevent mods in the game.

 

[muschi26]

I don't think they've done anything at all to prevent mods in the game.

Avoid a lot of things that would’ve made modding easier.

 

[Skandranon]

I still consider that less degen than the temple since the game acknowledges it for what it is and in the grand scheme of things isn't even that off for the setting.

Casual victory rape seems to be somewhat normal for the setting, at least in the wilderness. Kidnapping, imprisonment, forced impregnation and loss of soul is more than a couple of steps past what anyone else is doing.

Kas is bad news. She's done a crapton of evil stuff.

Personally, I just don't think the game focuses on it enough. It mentions offhandedly stuff she does, but then goes back to treating her like a waifu without either the MC or the party dwelling on it.

Romancing Kas should feel like you're doing something bad/wrong/evil, amd the way they frame it, it doesn't.

I made a few comments on the official forum a long time back about how I thought Kas could be handled better, but didnt really get any traction. Alypia kinda brushed it off.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I made a few comments on the official forum a long time back about how I thought Kas could be handled better, but didnt really get any traction. Alypia kinda brushed it off.

....Did Alypia respond to a query about Kas, which was supposed to be Savin's character? What would they know about Kas? Or did they just straight up ignore it?

 

[NODOGAN]

Oh hey the new update actually reworked the Black Mage's Ultimate and added 2 new level 2 powers, I wanna see them! (MFW the game so bad I genuinely get hyped for the combat rather than porn lol.)

 

[Skandranon]

....Did Alypia respond to a query about Kas, which was supposed to be Savin's character? What would they know about Kas? Or did they just straight up ignore it?

I was talking in general about how I always romanced Kas because the other choices have no content and thus are barely choices, and Alypia chimed in with her take.

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Basically "just don't do it if you think it doesn't fit" which was a pretty meh opinion.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

I was talking in general about how I always romanced Kas because the other choices have no content and thus aren't barely choices, and Alypia chimed in with her take.

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Basically "just don't do it if you think it doesn't fit" which was a pretty meh opinion.

Honestly, reading her reply also gave me a pretty "eehhhh..." feeling. See, I get what she means, but the issue here isn't "rewarding the player for not going for Kassyra's content", the issue is, in my eyes, not PUNISHING the player for going for Kas. She is a freaking evil corruptor demon you are supposed to stop. And yet, there is zero drawbacks for trying to side with her. As the result, not going for her makes it feel like you are just... well, skipping content out of... roleplay? Immersion?

It's a choice, yes, and, arguably, it's a choice that seemingly supposed to have consequences, but in reality, it feels more like there is a corridor that eventually divides, but instead of two routes you can take, there is a bucket you can pick up that adds a lot of new content by just taking it. It's still the same road, but now you have the bucket, which is more content, so what's the harm in taking it every time?

As the result, it feels like you might as well bite the bullet, because there are zero disadvantages to going Kas route and it feels like developers intended you to do it anyway. And the only justification you can do to not take it, again, "mah immersion"

 

[Walk Cycle]

I was talking in general about how I always romanced Kas because the other choices have no content and thus aren't barely choices, and Alypia chimed in with her take.

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Basically "just don't do it if you think it doesn't fit" which was a pretty meh opinion.

Comment approved by Savin, of course.

No one's asking for exclusive items when we're pursuing (or not pursuing) a relationship from an NPC. People are just pointing out that one choice has more content than the other, and it's the narratively wrong choice.

Then again, it is Alypia after all. They're the one that made a choice of corrupting the Hive then refuse to make content for the corrupt route because they don't want too.

Also is Alypia really a chick?

 

[Skandranon]

Comment approved by Savin, of course.

No one's asking for exclusive items when we're pursuing (or not pursuing) a relationship from an NPC. People are just pointing out that one choice has more content than the other, and it's the narratively wrong choice.

Then again, it is Alypia after all. They're the one that made a choice of corrupting the Hive then refuse to make content for the corrupt route because they don't want too.

Also is Alypia really a chick?

Alypia didn't do anything in the hive iirc.

And as far as I know, yeah, she is, as is SkoW. At the risk of sounding slightly sexist, I'd say her writing pointed that way anyway.

Alypia's characters tend to be a lot more romantic and relationship-first than everyone else.

 

[harem.king]

I was talking in general about how I always romanced Kas because the other choices have no content and thus are barely choices, and Alypia chimed in with her take.

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Basically "just don't do it if you think it doesn't fit" which was a pretty meh opinion.

>> Hey, your BBEG final boss is on the cover image of this game.
>> What if you had more than 1 path for her?
> NOPE! one path, and you can choose to either do it or totally ignore her and avoid her to avoid her content
> Savin approves

what a bunch of hacks.
Skandranon actually suggested 3 perfectly reasonable alternative routes of interaction with her

 

[Skandranon]

Honestly, reading her reply also gave me a pretty "eehhhh..." feeling. See, I get what she means, but the issue here isn't "rewarding the player for not going for Kassyra's content", the issue is, in my eyes, not PUNISHING the player for going for Kas. She is a freaking evil corruptor demon you are supposed to stop. And yet, there is zero drawbacks for trying to side with her. As the result, not going for her makes it feel like you are just... well, skipping content out of... roleplay? Immersion?

It's a choice, yes, and, arguably, it's a choice that seemingly supposed to have consequences, but in reality, it feels more like there is a corridor that eventually divides, but instead of two routes you can take, there is a bucket you can pick up that adds a lot of new content by just taking it. It's still the same road, but now you have the bucket, which is more content, so what's the harm in taking it every time?

As the result, it feels like you might as well bite the bullet, because there are zero disadvantages to going Kas route and it feels like developers intended you to do it anyway. And the only justification you can do to not take it, again, "mah immersion"

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Yeah that was basically my thinking. My response even included some ideas on how what kind of content could (and should!) be included on a non-romantic Kas route.

Never got another reply though sooo...eh.

 

[Walk Cycle]

Alypia didn't do anything in the hive iirc.

Well I'll be

I mixed her up with SKoW.

 

[claralover]

Don't worry fellas, a new patch dropped, surely it'll be good right?

 

[Walk Cycle]

Don't worry fellas, a new patch dropped, surely it'll be good right?

I saw the new Lumia cg and immediately felt something is about to go wrong.