Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.41] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Lucky_I]

Dude outlined it pretty well, in this world of overpowered mary sues, self inserts and author favorites, the Champ is made weaker then them both in narrative and gameplay regularly.

I can't think of instances that are narratively like that, so I'll just take your word on it. I'm probably missing something.

But the gameplay part I don't get, what exactly is the complaint? That like farmer Dave can box you and 2 other party members and that you can't solo him or something? Cause that's an RPG thing, a lot of them are like just like that(I can name 5 off the top of my head) and that's generally the intention.

 

[Deviton123]

You're implying that they can get laid.

Eh, maybe that paypiggy money they're getting might help them out in that department

 

[Dreamer44]

Wait a minute. Are you the guy in charge of the Corrupted Hive overhaul?

More like the guy that submitted a less controversial way to get that corrupted ending.

Tackling that again is my next big project, once I'm done with my current one.

 

[Bulk Biceps]

Hi do any of you know where Thalia's body is?

 

[Lucky_I]

Hi do any of you know where Thalia's body is?

You can find find out where on the bookshelf in the far left, the cracked bookshelf to be specific.

As to where she is:

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[Lolicon Kami]

Hi do any of you know where Thalia's body is?

You can find find out where on the bookshelf in the far left, the cracked bookshelf to be specific.

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Unless they changed the location of Thalia's body in the bugfix update, I think it's random. So check the bookshelf.

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[Lucky_I]

Unless they changed the location of Thalia's body in the bugfix update, I think it's random. So check the bookshelf.

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Oh shit, I did not know it was random. Makes a lot of sense in hindsight. Thanks for the info.

 

[Basty96]

You're implying that they can get laid.

well one thing is clear Savin will be raising his wifes boyfriends kid

 

[Basty96]

More like the guy that submitted a less controversial way to get that corrupted ending.

Tackling that again is my next big project, once I'm done with my current one.

Controversial? the fuck is so controversial about it? that you suddenly get to have a corrupting/meaningful choice
or that you can fuck the lesbo Paladin or what? inb4 once reworked they accidentally slip into the honey without you doing anything to take away even more of what little player agency you have.

Her author is having issues they're working through. Once things improve, more content will come.

Still, this is not the place to discuss thst.

no this and the TiTS thread on here are the place to discuss that.

Probably due to gameplay balance.

CoC2 is not a power fantasy, so they don't write the PC as becoming ridiculously overpowered. Remember that soulbinding is an option, so you have to make the game challenging for players that choose to take it and those that don't.

man that's one of the shittiest justifications for making the player weak.

 

[Basty96]

I can't think of instances that are narratively like that, so I'll just take your word on it. I'm probably missing something.

But the gameplay part I don't get, what exactly is the complaint? That like farmer Dave can box you and 2 other party members and that you can't solo him or something? Cause that's an RPG thing, a lot of them are like just like that(I can name 5 off the top of my head) and that's generally the intention.

no we talking about shit like this
like why go on this quest to save the world if literally anyone is stronger than you anyway? and don't come in here with "yOuR sOuL iS sPeShUl" you can give it away and boom no speshul soul anymore

 

[MoneyMan181]

I finally got around to playing RynQuest and my god they're really bad at lore and world-building. The entire time I was playing through it I was just thinking to myself "This shit is BORING." I usually like reading about lore but in this case it's just like... why? It goes absolutely nowhere and is just there to be there. It doesn't add to the world-building in any meaningful way, it doesn't get you to feel anything, and it doesn't tell anything unique. Why bother including an entire life story for some cow soldier and his wife that I met 5 minutes ago? Why go on this entire lore dump about this dragon elf island when we stay there for 20 minutes only to never go back again? It feels like it's just there because the quest would feel short as fuck otherwise(which it is). And don't get me started on how the whole Alyssa and Ryn confrontation was just a shitty Luke vs Darth Vader moment. Ugh.

I really don't get why they're trying to take this game seriously when it just never works.

The Ryn uncaging scene was sweet, though.

 

[Lucky_I]

no we talking about shit like this View attachment 3471043
like why go on this quest to save the world if literally anyone is stronger than you anyway? and don't come in here with "yOuR sOuL iS sPeShUl" you can give it away and boom no speshul soul anymore

I mean, does the MC NEED to be the strongest at any given time in order to do anything? Is that really that big of a deal?

 

[MoneyMan181]

I mean, does the MC NEED to be the strongest at any given time in order to do anything? Is that really that big of a deal?

The issue is not the MC being weaker than other characters(objectively, anyway. Subjectively it could hurt someone's enjoyment). The issue is that these characters that are stronger than us do absolutely nothing to stop the threat to the world that is Kasyrra. Sanders, Gweyr, Garth, Leofric, all the gods, etc. have all been said by the devs that they're stronger than the MC. If that's the case, why are they not the ones trying to stop Kas? Literally all of these characters would know what she's capable of, yet they do nothing besides sit on their asses and there's no justification for it except for maybe Gweyr.

 

[Martin2]

to be fair, a lot of those guys are old as shit or crippled so they couldn't do anything now. the gods not doing anything is weird though.

 

[MoneyMan181]

to be fair, a lot of those guys are old as shit or crippled so they couldn't do anything now.

The devs explicitly said one or more of them would beat MC in a fight so yeah. Otherwise I'd agree with you. In fact I'd go so far as to saying MC is the most powerful mortal in the game so far, as there isn't really anybody stronger than us that we have evidence of or has accomplished more. Devs words be damned.

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[Biostar]

I finally got around to playing RynQuest and my god they're really bad at lore and world-building. The entire time I was playing through it I was just thinking to myself "This shit is BORING." I usually like reading about lore but in this case it's just like... why? It goes absolutely nowhere and is just there to be there. It doesn't add to the world-building in any meaningful way, it doesn't get you to feel anything, and it doesn't tell anything unique. Why bother including an entire life story for some cow soldier and his wife that I met 5 minutes ago? Why go on this entire lore dump about this dragon elf island when we stay there for 20 minutes only to never go back again? It feels like it's just there because the quest would feel short as fuck otherwise(which it is). And don't get me started on how the whole Alyssa and Ryn confrontation was just a shitty Luke vs Darth Vader moment. Ugh.

You took this long just to describe how the lore of this game is handled in general? I don't even bother anymore. If it has nothing to do with me or actual current events, I have no interest in exposition dumps.

 

[Unobtainium]

Why bother including an entire life story for some cow soldier and his wife that I met 5 minutes ago?

To be fair, they are the potentially your girlfriends parents and would have heard of them if you interacted with her enough before. Also you normally should be able to meet them before the quest, but Liv's kids are bugged cause this game is dogwater.

 

[Skandranon]

The issue is not the MC being weaker than other characters(objectively, anyway. Subjectively it could hurt someone's enjoyment). The issue is that these characters that are stronger than us do absolutely nothing to stop the threat to the world that is Kasyrra. Sanders, Gweyr, Garth, Leofric, all the gods, etc. have all been said by the devs that they're stronger than the MC. If that's the case, why are they not the ones trying to stop Kas? Literally all of these characters would know what she's capable of, yet they do nothing besides sit on their asses and there's no justification for it except for maybe Gweyr.

Gotta say, I just don't get this complaint.

I mean...this is how it is in almost everything I can think of.

Any D&D adventure can have you stopping some world-ending threat noone else seems to care about. Gods included.

Any comic you pick up has random mid-level capes dealing with an alien invasion or a world-ending doomsday device or whatever without Superman or Thor or something popping in.

Any shonen anime you watch has a bunch of super powerful old retired or busy or just lazy as hell NPCs just wandering out the world doing nothing useful.

Idk, this just seems to be the normal way of operation to me, especially in RPGs. You're almost always the only one doing anything useful or constructive, and it's very rarely because you're the strongest (at least at the beginning).

 

[Lucky_I]

I think we're at the point of the discussion in which that it's because THIS game is the one doing it and that is the problem. Other stuff doing the same thing doesn't matter, it's that CoC2 is doing it at all. Like what's that one One Piece meme? "Gotta maintain the agenda" or what have you. But I don't know, maybe I'm missing something.

Tho I will say if it's an issue no matter what, regardless of what piece of fiction it's a part of, well then fair enough.

 

[muschi26]

Gotta say, I just don't get this complaint.

I mean...this is how it is in almost everything I can think of.

Any D&D adventure can have you stopping some world-ending threat noone else seems to care about. Gods included.

Any comic you pick up has random mid-level capes dealing with an alien invasion or a world-ending doomsday device or whatever without Superman or Thor or something popping in.

Any shonen anime you watch has a bunch of super powerful old retired or busy or just lazy as hell NPCs just wandering out the world doing nothing useful.

Idk, this just seems to be the normal way of operation to me, especially in RPGs. You're almost always the only one doing anything useful or constructive, and it's very rarely because you're the strongest (at least at the beginning).

When it comes to the actual gods, I think it can be excused; maybe they simply don’t care much about Earth or its inhabitants. If by all accounts they should care, on the other hand, then it’s just bad writing to not have them involve themselves, whether that’s in D&D or COC2. When it comes to characters like Garth or Leofric, who have lots of worldly attachments, it’s much harder to justify their staying uninvolved.

I don’t read comics, so I can’t speak for those, but in the shōnen manga I know, the main characters usually are the strongest people around, other than the villain (e.g. Dragonball), or else the more powerful characters are involved in some way, even if they’re not on the same task as the protagonists (e.g. Naruto).