Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.0] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Bootyman]

He was just being a dick and wanted the mum to rape the daughter, plus I am pretty sure once you wrapped up helping him he was gonna turn the daughter into a brainless broodhare too. Been a bit but it just sticks out to me how much of an asshole that rabbit was, even amongst the antagonist in that game. Oh and the wiki is still up. Lagon was a real asshole and I forgot Ophelia had a brother from the quest.

Lagon was the type of character that is so despicable that they're utilised as the only character that you can murder with no problems in a competent game. IIRC the pay off was that he just gets drugged and raped, literally faces no other punishment. At least the Orc Chieftain in this gets exiled and replaced, Lagon gets off scot free comparatively.

 

[Skandranon]

Didn't Marethian mages do that as well? I vaguely remember the librarian in Tel'Adre (or was it some warlock/wizard lady at the bar? I can't remember) saying that the Mages screwed around with portals too that's why they got corrupted with powers that led to the demonic invasion. But they didn't get the Savarran equivalent of the Godswar.

Ehh I shouldn't have look into it too much and just focus and the smut

Different situation.

Mareths situation is that it's a rat trap: portals go in, none go out. The wizards there tried to get out after coming to Mareth from elsewhere.

They created a process to give themselves more power by crystallizing their souls, and planned to use that power to fuel their efforts to leave Mareth. And that's basically how they turned themselves into demons.

The portals themselves didn't do anything to Mareth as far as I know. The wizards never successfully got anywhere iirc...until Kas made it out.

 

[JAKnBOX97]

Is anyone else having problems with the save editor? Every time i load a save it just softlocks on the first frame.

 

[jfmherokiller]

Shirt should nerf all your stats too.

wasnt there a ring like that in some furry game so you could actually fail combat and see the defeat scenes?

 

[Vaman]

CoC2 just seems like an odd game, I generally wonder what their Business Model or even Customer-Relationship Management is. Likewise I also wonder why Wsan seems to be one of the only writers (unless I'm forgetting someone) to be customer-focused in his writing (although there are of course things he could improve). Some of the other writers seem to outright hate or be spiteful towards the customers. It's just very odd.

 

[Walk Cycle]

CoC2 just seems like an odd game, I generally wonder what their Business Model or even Customer-Relationship Management is. Likewise I also wonder why Wsan seems to be one of the only writers (unless I'm forgetting someone) to be customer-focused in his writing (although there are of course things he could improve). Some of the other writers seem to outright hate or be spiteful towards the customers. It's just very odd.

That's what happens when you have no competition I guess. Its closest peers as erotic text-based games are Trials in Tainted Space, Lilith's Throne, and Monster Girl Dreams. Lilith's Throne and MGD have glacial update rates that most of its fandom just move on to other games (Though at least MGD has mods to keep it on life support). TiTS is just CoC2's slower to update Sci-Fi flavored sister game. So overall they got the market cornered. And if they're the only one selling stuff people like they can petty much act like asshats and most will tolerate it.

 

[Rocky Pineapple Rhythm]

Tobs didn't write the parts of burrow everyone was talking about, he just got the wrong lesson from it all.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Tobs didn't write the parts of burrow everyone was talking about, he just got the wrong lesson from it all.

So, the usual normal ToBs then.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

That's what happens when you have no competition I guess. Its closest peers as erotic text-based games are Trials in Tainted Space, Lilith's Throne, and Monster Girl Dreams. Lilith's Throne and MGD have glacial update rates that most of its fandom just move on to other games (Though at least MGD has mods to keep it on life support). TiTS is just CoC2's slower to update Sci-Fi flavored sister game. So overall they got the market cornered. And if they're the only one selling stuff people like they can petty much act like asshats and most will tolerate it.

Lilith's Throne is such an extreme mess that the game is unplayable by hour 2 due to the fact that it saves and checks for every single randomly generated NPC you ever encountered and the kids you might have and many other really terrible decisions.

MGD is just hilarious. Thresh just constantly burns out and adds nothing to the game for an entire year. Comes in, does a pity update, everyone is happy again.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Lilith's Throne is such an extreme mess that the game is unplayable by hour 2 due to the fact that it saves and checks for every single randomly generated NPC you ever encountered and the kids you might have and many other really terrible decisions.

MGD is just hilarious. Thresh just constantly burns out and adds nothing to the game for an entire year. Comes in, does a pity update, everyone is happy again.

You know, I'd actually play a LT a lot if only it doesn't update once every century.
I guess that applies to MGD too.

 

[throbzombie]

Hmm, Coraline, whose that? Giant asexual shark woman. I can't believe these fuckers added an asexual character to a fucking porn game.

It's...art.

For serious, though, at this point I'd kill for some fucked up burrow shit. These content updates are kind of starting to feel tacked-on. There's. like, a new "thing" every once in a while, and the devs seemingly forget about everything else. There's so much shit that's only half-finished, with no indication of whether it's ever going to be finished, yet the new stuff somehow always manages to feel same-same.

I mean, it's nice to get more shark stuff, but here I am, alpha of the shark people. Cool, I'm also Chief Big Balls of the orcs and the bitchbreaker general of the Centaur village (remember that?), and probably lord commander of a bunch of other stuff that I can't be bothered to remember right now. Man, if you've only got a few good ideas, fine. Just try to make the game deep, if you can, not wide. At this point, it's almost like we're getting the illusion of content, you know? It's new content, but it's really just putting a fresh coat of paint on something that already exists.

 

[Biostar]

Tobs didn't write the parts of burrow everyone was talking about, he just got the wrong lesson from it all.

I certainly know he created that NPC who was a shot at people who wanted Helspawn incest content.

 

[thecatcameback]

MGD is just hilarious. Thresh just constantly burns out and adds nothing to the game for an entire year. Comes in, does a pity update, everyone is happy again.

MGD at least doesn't hate its audience like CoC 2 does. It does really well at telling you what you're about to get into with the various monster girl routes.

wasnt there a ring like that in some furry game so you could actually fail combat and see the defeat scenes?

Wouldn't surprise me. Lot of H games give you an item so you can lose easier.

 

[muschi26]

here I am, alpha of the shark people. Cool, I'm also Chief Big Balls of the orcs and the bitchbreaker general of the Centaur village (remember that?), and probably lord commander of a bunch of other stuff that I can't be bothered to remember right now

Bethesda syndrome coming in hot.

 

[jfmherokiller]

MGD at least doesn't hate its audience like CoC 2 does. It does really well at telling you what you're about to get into with the various monster girl routes.



Wouldn't surprise me. Lot of H games give you an item so you can lose easier.

I just remembered what it was kind of, its a game made by an artist named blueballs which its heavy TF related.

 

[Rocky Pineapple Rhythm]

I certainly know he created that NPC who was a shot at people who wanted Helspawn incest content.

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Er ya go

 

[Wrynn13]

The funny thing about the Helspawn debacle is the incest content was something Savin brought up. It wasn't that people were "frothing at the mouth" demanding incest content, it's that people were asking "hey Savin you do anything about that thing you promised" and he blew up over people actually expecting something he said he was going to do. Have I said Savin is an ass before? Savin is an ass.

 

[pencilfight]

The funny thing about the Helspawn debacle is the incest content was something Savin brought up. It wasn't that people were "frothing at the mouth" demanding incest content, it's that people were asking "hey Savin you do anything about that thing you promised" and he blew up over people actually expecting something he said he was going to do. Have I said Savin is an ass before? Savin is an ass.

There does seem to be a disturbing amount of general overlap between people who are willing to make interactive fetish porn and irritability

You'd think earning a living wage doing maybe an hour's worth of actual work a week would mellow them out a bit

 

[Biostar]

The funny thing about the Helspawn debacle is the incest content was something Savin brought up. It wasn't that people were "frothing at the mouth" demanding incest content, it's that people were asking "hey Savin you do anything about that thing you promised" and he blew up over people actually expecting something he said he was going to do. Have I said Savin is an ass before? Savin is an ass.

What gets me is that Tobs is the one holding a grudge about still, someone who wasn't even the writer for Helspawn, even carrying it over into CoC2. Like damn, you think they killed his fucking dog for him to be that salty years after the fact.

 

[namelessone22]

As a at first neutral party that originally got coc2 in large part due to being tempted by "devoted kitsune wife/family sim" on the tin, and also accepted the "it's a different culture you wouldn't understand" defense longer than I should have, I'll try giving a breakdown of why it, being generous, has issues, story and #itsjustasmutgamebro wise.

The prologue is fine, great even. Kiyokos surprisingly stable for someone that's been completely isolated for enough years to originally go from being a teen to elderly, for a kitsune(!) at least and then has someone knock on her door, but we'll ignore that. You're introduced to their culture, begin as food with benefits and wind up spending enough time a relationship happens. Plenty of non smut relationship building fluff scenes, you love to see it. Before or during this you have your first kid, kinu.

Here we're introduced to the first issue, kiyoko is an abusive, overly strict parent. During the time you see, she pushes kinu to do exactly what she wants her to, only accepts perfection but then she lies to her telling her she failed when she didn't, pushes her into a coma(!) is angry whenever she's asked for help, and leaves a majority of the work handling the other kids to kinu.

During the time you don't see, in tobs novella, after kinu finishes making food for the family, kiyoko comes home for a hour, finds out she wasn't perfectly stealthy in a neighboring town, so slaps her in the face and lectures her. She also has zero interest in what kinu wants and is bluntly mentioned as perfectly willing to separate her from whoever she loves so she can get with someone *suitable*. There's not a character arc with development where she realizes she's been horrible besides one apology scene that happens some time before she slaps her. This does not lead to character development or a turn on.

In the course of this we're chucked a "what a twist" that upon freeing them, there was a time skip of several years for them. Was it because keros wanted to be quirky and require a cost or forced for plot, it is a mystery. The observer forces in with this a forced time limitation that regardless of whether you had one kid or 500 with Kiyoko, whether you visited every single night or not, that you weren't there often to begin with and then weren't there for several years, leading to either form of kinu having parental issues. Basically youre written as getting the amulet then Speedrunning to the den. Also kinu is now getting married to a decent enough farmer or a impotent idiot who writes poetry while his fiancee is almost r'ed and killed multiple times, and again I quote kiyoko "your opinion/input doesn't matter".

Getting to the den we have further issues. Why can't we communicate with any kitsune before the den? "Hello kurako/kitsune 54, before we bang, lady evergreen has had one of her enchanted items stolen by a kitsune, I would like to talk with your leader on your own terms to peacefully negotiate it's return please. Also I have this orb another kitsune group that I saved said I should seek her aid about, it has someone in it called kiyoko or something?"

After you are forced to non lethally doom slayer the entirety of the den so komari can say "oh yeah whatever here's the bag they were kinda dumb tbh", you gain general access to it. Takahiro greets you with "you fookin wat m8 I'll fookin bash yer ead in I don't have a problem I can't stop when I want" x6, and you also greet nakano, who talks about how dumb you are, then goes back to his paperwork, poetry and needing your assistance while you reminisce one shotting him.

In the den we have kohaku who people thought was cute until she had zero character development or relationship, miko and mai who you can get pregnant and never see the kid or get a relationship, can watch them bang takahiro though, kazuo who's been abandoned for years but you get nuked if you try to write anything for, yuzu and azami you can watch bang takahiro, rindo who you can be a sugar daddy for until someone better comes along like nakano (pfft), komari who stares off into the void mimicking the "why am I still here" meme during random chess games that tobs had art made of being young but that was just a prank bro, kinus farmer husband that's only there during her scenes or in the novella, and the new update kitsune I have no hope for. Also keros but apparently he doesn't care if his people are being attacked by another god so who gives af.

Back to kiyoko n kinu though, or rather just kinu, she's had the only content. She's had 2 gweyr-interlude type scenes now where she talks about having a cult with shadowy monsters attacking and burning down your home, and their leader threatening to gouge out her i's and r her while the PC does a "oh, honey..." And pats her head. Kiyoko and mai and miko intervene at the very end of the first. That's it. After that, she (royalty who has been attacked prior) has to go cross continent, and she gets farmer mercs and a merchant as escort. Nakano, glory seeker samurai who is her fiancee, nowhere. All the wandering kitsune, nowhere. Miko, mai, komari, nowhere. Keros, nowhere. Mallach helps her out after she barely gets out via a teleporter. The PC goes "oh honey..." Again while kinu talks about how strong and independent she is and how she'll have her training arc by the next encounter.

Honestly, even if all the kitsune were friendly and welcomed you, all that's enough of a problem. When they all call you outsider and barbarian but are incompetent, when kiyoko says your opinion doesn't matter but is a awful and abusive mother and partner, when neither of kinus fiancees ever do anything to help her besides in the novella, when kinu is being written as a solo power fantasy dev insert while the PC and kiyoko get nothing and the PC is forced to not put their foot down and go lu bu on some dumb fencer fox that's being written to have a redemption arc, when half the smut is watching takahiro bang someone including side love interests while you fap in the corner, AND on top of all that and giving them priceless artifacts, saving their royalty, becoming partner(?) Glorified ho(?) Of said royalty, their god thinking you're cool enough to be buds with, they still do the barbarian/ outsider crap? No sorry, Japanese people and culture are far better than this and stereotypical portrayals of those far in the past would value honor, aid and loyalty with no betrayals, outsiderTM or no far more than this.

Exactly!
I didn't have a problem playing the story through the first time (although Kiyoko's strict upbringing was evident). *Until* Freeing them from the amulet.
The bullshit Tobs pulled when bringing Kiyoko & Kinu out of the amulet/dreamscape was completely uneccesary (even if he was going to age Kinu (fine) but to put the dislike of you in there was unecessary).

I wouldn't have minded an incest plot with older Kinu if it was fairly well-written (more like the interaction with her growing up), but it wasn't something that I must have.
(It would have been interesting because the previous interactions had been well-written)

My main problem is that he ruined the (normal) relationship between you & your daughter (that was actually sweet & interesting) for no reason.
If he didn't want to put incest in, fine, no problem. Say so on the forums or whatever.
But don't then turn around and deliberately screw up the story just to get back at people who asked for it or whatever. (petty & childish)
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I'm getting off track here, but I agree with pretty much all of what you've said and in regards to the den's attitude towards you - I don't mind it at the beginning, but it should evolve as you become more involved with the den.

-For argument's sake, their attitude may even be appropriate for the Shogun-ish era he's drawing from, but it's completely out of place with the rest of the game (not the attitude, but the fact that they don't warm up to you very much, considering all the things you do for them.)

TBF They may be waiting for a big quest much later where you save the den from the big-bads & earn their proper respect that way, which would be ok, but also too late if that makes sense.