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Alterism

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Thank you gamer, I knew I could rely on you.
As you said - Savin has a point. I don't really envy a lot of porn game developers, because at the end of the day, not every player enters the game with a clear state of mind.
The validity in his viewpoint is about games sometimes having things you don't like or have no control of. The other side of this is that most games give you conclusions you the player can feel satisfied with even despite the speedbumps. This isn't exactly a revolutionary take. Even rhythm games made for children adhere to these general principals. Space Channel 5 part 2 (rip dreamcast) has Ulala lose her first head to head with the antagonist and Fuse suffers for it. But, by the end of the game she wins, everybody is happy, and you dance across the stars. Satisfied in all ways.



If that's too abstract, the point of the product you're producing depends on the genre. In the porn game space unless you're breaking the mold, that entire goal is player satisfaction. How you reach that endpoint depends on your capability of a writer.

In the aforementioned souls example, the entire point and the reward comes from overcoming the challenge.
In a porn game, you exist to attract, excite, and satisfy the player.


never being in a position where it's impossible to fail.
You can full auto this game on dark.

I'm going to put the rest of this response in a block of text as it's getting lengthy and I've got other stuff to talk about.
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Even today the responses you see to questions and requests to something as innocent as "can there be a ______" always ends up being "if you write it". Or "if you commission it"
Which is...
Look, if a game with 200 patrons can implement fan requests and still deliver a phenomenal experience, there's absolutely no excuse for something raking in the bread.

Oh hell. I wanted to save this segue for later a topic in the TiTS discussion but on the topic of quality.

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Bleh
 

Comiies

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How i enjoy scrolling through the forum and watching people keep writing essays on essays about why the game is bad and how the devs are egotistical coomers that dont know what sunlight is.It is fun and also very sad at the same time because not only will the devs never do any positive changes to the game(Good example being introducing some consistency between the scenes ffs) but it will keep being a downwards spiral until the game is finally "finished".Its a shame really but sadly our voices will never be heard.Cheers to the people that care and write these essays for me to enjoy though!
 

Kallisto

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Someone writing a well-thought out essay about their viewpoints on the game instead of just screaming cucksavintobsshitterwaifupls makes for a much better thread. And most don't come here to change the dev's minds on things, we know they won't listen. This place is more for venting.

Rescue Solaire or *ahem* let him find his sun.
Bro, I didn't know! I was too late to save him T.T
 

Raf-Raf

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Road to 1.5k or even 2k pages before the purge!

Hmm, reading some of the paragraphs here reminds me some of mine way way back when I was still a normal cat before turning to this piece of shit cactus state.

And I'm glad to say, the unhinged paragraph rant I did still applies today. :FacePalm:
I wonder if I wish on a comet to make at least the PC be consistent like an average person in this game from the way we act, would the comet do a full 180? :KEK:

'Cause even now I'm still questioning how we can keep killing imps and centaur leaders but them demon generals or those annoying thieves in the KhorMinos or whatever they're called in front of us defeated and the option is to just say 'em, fuck off?

We need the remove content option on everything else like how we have that on the annoying elf-horse-man-thing in the starting forest? Ah fuck, the power fantasy police is he-
 
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MagnaSonic3000

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All this power fantasy made me realize something. As much as I think it has the opposite problem, I do still enjoy LT for what it's worth. I honestly feel like it's the anti-thesis of CoC or TiTS as a whole. On one hand, you have a dev that's uncompromising, thick headed and honestly a little stupid. On the other, you have a dev that folds easily, caters a bit too much to people, and basically lets modders run free for absolutely everything.

Both Fen and Savin suffer as egotistical morons who can't make a solidified plotline without a bunch of patrons being close to or just as dumb as them muddying the waters with completely unrelated content. On the flipside, pretty much every character Inno makes is her own, with OCs being pretty rare. In fact, I can't quite remember any OCs aside from one of the store owners, who's writer I think abandoned her and she's stayed the same ever since.

I think for both games, CoC has a narrative problem, while I think LT has a gameplay problem. Both are significant enough to ruin everything else about the game, but at least LT is a nice character molder for which anime character do I want to dick down next.
 

Quintilus

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All this power fantasy made me realize something. As much as I think it has the opposite problem, I do still enjoy LT for what it's worth. I honestly feel like it's the anti-thesis of CoC or TiTS as a whole. On one hand, you have a dev that's uncompromising, thick headed and honestly a little stupid. On the other, you have a dev that folds easily, caters a bit too much to people, and basically lets modders run free for absolutely everything.

Both Fen and Savin suffer as egotistical morons who can't make a solidified plotline without a bunch of patrons being close to or just as dumb as them muddying the waters with completely unrelated content. On the flipside, pretty much every character Inno makes is her own, with OCs being pretty rare. In fact, I can't quite remember any OCs aside from one of the store owners, who's writer I think abandoned her and she's stayed the same ever since.

I think for both games, CoC has a narrative problem, while I think LT has a gameplay problem. Both are significant enough to ruin everything else about the game, but at least LT is a nice character molder for which anime character do I want to dick down next.
LT dev aware that hes doing a bad job developing it. At least barely, since it discord make jokes about 'sorry about late update'.
Try to say same thing to S or F and you get ass fucked(futa, domination, mind break, bad end, breeding, non consent).
 
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Duke Greene

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Yeah ngl, this game really hate letting the players top men, maybe it's a "power fantasy" to be top I guess. It's really piss me off.
Having recently replayed the first CoC I don't feel like it's especially kind to gay players either. More than CoC 2 of course but that's a given. These days I just play Flexible Survival when I'm in the mood to get in on with dudes.
 

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All this power fantasy made me realize something. As much as I think it has the opposite problem, I do still enjoy LT for what it's worth. I honestly feel like it's the anti-thesis of CoC or TiTS as a whole. On one hand, you have a dev that's uncompromising, thick headed and honestly a little stupid. On the other, you have a dev that folds easily, caters a bit too much to people, and basically lets modders run free for absolutely everything.

Both Fen and Savin suffer as egotistical morons who can't make a solidified plotline without a bunch of patrons being close to or just as dumb as them muddying the waters with completely unrelated content. On the flipside, pretty much every character Inno makes is her own, with OCs being pretty rare. In fact, I can't quite remember any OCs aside from one of the store owners, who's writer I think abandoned her and she's stayed the same ever since.

I think for both games, CoC has a narrative problem, while I think LT has a gameplay problem. Both are significant enough to ruin everything else about the game, but at least LT is a nice character molder for which anime character do I want to dick down next.
LT?

nvn its liliths throne
 

arls120

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And what all of them have in common is that they will not let us top them. Pffff...
Well Quin may receive content in the next millennium and Elyon is from Tobs, you know he doesn't like or is good at writing gay content so I wouldn't have much hope for him. At least the new fox husband writer said he would add that kind of content but when he will that is a mystery.
 

Alterism

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Someone writing a well-thought out essay about their viewpoints on the game instead of just screaming cucksavintobsshitterwaifupls makes for a much better thread. And most don't come here to change the dev's minds on things, we know they won't listen. This place is more for venting.


Bro, I didn't know! I was too late to save him T.T
No tears... Only Sun...
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All this power fantasy made me realize something. As much as I think it has the opposite problem, I do still enjoy LT for what it's worth.
LT is the framework of something that could be very good but is instead enslaved and betrayed by Innoxia's absolutely abysmal developmental pipeline. I would never give Inno the mean truths as is. But something with that amount of disorganization is in for a very harsh future indeed.
Makes games is hardwork. So is doing something for no other reason than the fact that you promised yourself you would.

I usually just tune in every so often to see if Inno has taken the steps to create a more relaxing working environment.

I.. Should really preface this by saying that just because I have issue doesn't necessarily mean the game is like objectively bad or anything. All subjective opinions.
It's just not for me.

And thankfully this is an age where there's a wide variety of text based games to purview and enjoy. Ain't the age of TiTS where that was pretty much all there was on the market.
 
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MagnaSonic3000

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I guess that's where she and Fen/Savin is the same, in that Inno really doesn't seem to want anyone disrupting her plot. In terms of integrity, that's pretty good. It's too bad she runs herself ragged trying to get it done. Like I said, Inno really can't say no to people, which is why I said she was the polar opposite. Although strangely, this hasn't devolved into a billion OCs despite that trait of hers. But that also means there's pretty much no content unless Inno adds something.

This is a very weird seesaw of chaos between the two game's development philosophy.
 

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Inno doesn't need more writers, what she needs is some very competent coders to wrangle her spaghetti.
 

MagnaSonic3000

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I think if she had a better engine, she wouldn't be so stressed out. After that comes fixing the code, because I think the writing is fine, and doesn't really feel insulting to the player. I don't know if Inno's characters are any more developed than the other two, I know some people said her characters don't offer much after the initial meeting is worn out, but then I can't remember too many of the TiTS characters having much to them either.
 
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