Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Lord Kentus]

I mean...this is how it is in almost everything I can think of.

Any most setting I can think this is excused, handwaved or explained by insetting lore, D&D for example? Unless specific circumstances are met divine beings or indeed any beings not of the material world of sufficient degree of power that try to cross over are prevented by wards that have stood in place since the ancient war with the Abyss at the dawn of creation.

Its also why special McGuffins are needed to circumvent it to allow invasions from Hell or the Abyss in the material world.

Meanwhile in this shitty setting in the Gods War, Divine beings literally walked among the mortals and fought along with them, thus rendering that argument moot.

Just a remark on something so incorrect I had to comment on it.

 

[Lord Kentus]

And we have next to zero info on Leofric.

Not true, its enough to reveal it is cringe of the highest quality.

 

[NODOGAN]

Ok I'm kinda lost here, why are we naming Garth as if he was powerful all of a sudden? dude's an old timer with a lame leg that needs a cane to walk and LITERALY dies with Cait if you don't help her during the tutorial (the first "bad end" you can get in the game lol)

Leofric's justification is that he is by and all a selfish asshole that only cares about fucking the nearest hole.

Kalisea

Spoiler: well duh

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Carmen literaly is more pacifist than Gohan and would rather be killed than ever fight back because is hinted that she used her own powers and accidentally burned to death her family in the past?

Gweyr...literally feeling like she gonna die after the last mission with us/ain't fit enough to do this job.

IDK chief as much as I like to shit on this game it looks like we're the only ones strong enough (and with enough common sense) to go on fixing this mess.

P.S: I would like it if it was possible to defeat the "enemy hordes" and get a different outcome from characters like "Holy shit you just took out 100 demons!"...kinda like in Monster Racers, the final champion in that game beats the crap out of you on the 2nd level to impress some chicks...but since there's no level cap you can TECHNICALLY train a monster till is good enough to beat him...and I did, just to watch what happened (the mad bastards who made that game coded in the bitches abandoning the champion saying "da fuck? you just lost to that kid, you must be a fake!" and I've loved that game ever since for rewarding my pettyness against a scripted loss like that lol.)

 

[Meatshield236]

One thing I must admit is you are running into your own desires vs the developers especially with the whole be a bastard and murder people part.

But at the same time they really should flesh out the world and add more choices of ways players can go about things or ATLEAST make each area/choice have some level of consistency/acknowledgement of the players actions.

I have no desire to actually kill people in a game like this, it's just the most straightforward way of letting players feel like they have agency, plus they have so many characters that pruning the list down wouldn't hurt. If a character has no impact in the overall story, then there's no harm in letting players kill them, they're just removing content for themselves. Hell, at least let us be an asshole or nice or something that isn't exactly what the author wants us to be like in a particular scene. I swear, the interaction system in this game is borked on a fundamental level. It's, at most, a few words that drop paragraphs upon paragraphs on you. It's not interactive, it's not interesting, it's just a bunch of reading. Which would be fine... if this was a novel or something. Not a game.

 

[Deviton123]

I have no desire to actually kill people in a game like this

Me glancing at Leofric and Takahiro

 

[RedBluePill]

The gods aren't helping because Kas, in and of herself, isn't a real threat in their eyes. The face to face she had with a god he told her that, point blank. In that same scene, he says the reasons the gods are keeping their hands off - they're interested in what Kas is doing.

I dont know about this. SURELY when Kas start corrupting the Elves in Winter City Lumia should've done something. A lot of her Valkyries are Boreal Elves too. SURELY a god that described to be known as Motherly and Protective won't let Kas turns her followers to literal Demons??

 

[poophero]

dose anyone know the stone dial riddle

 

[MoneyMan181]

IDK chief as much as I like to shit on this game it looks like we're the only ones strong enough (and with enough common sense) to go on fixing this mess.

I was simply going off of what the devs themselves said(Pretty sure they mentioned Garth, if not definitely at least Gweyr). Like I mentioned before, I think MC is the strongest person in the plot so far barring draco eve's bullshit.

Livrea sends them letters gassing you up to hell and back because she is head over heels for mc and thinks really highly of them. I really don't find it strange for some doting parents to get close to somene after that, and I find it even less strange when you factor in you're going on a multi day boat trip to a battle. Even if you aren't dating her, rag tag merenary parties or soilder PUGs exchanging life storys before a battle also doesn't seem anywhere out of left field.

True enough. Guess I just hate it so much because it was a boring text dump with characters nobody cares about.

The priest is a pacifist who wouldn't even beat up a couple of kids.
Garth is practically crippled - he limps just getting around the bar.
Gweyr is both in exile and, strictly speaking, HAS been doing something the whole time - longer than you, actually. And afterwards, she's finally reunited with her family.

And we have next to zero info on Leofric. Who knows what he's doing and why?



tl;dr Very few people know about Kass, even fewer see her an existential threat, and the people that fall under both categories are...well, generally in your party.

Alright, cool. I agree with all that. I wasn't complaining about what's actually inside the game itself. I'm complaining about the devs saying these characters are stronger than the MC for literally no reason. We are not given evidence of it in-game and most likely never will. They're simply saying shit just to prop their OCs up on a pedestal and it takes agency away from the player in a meta perspective. Even if it was true, why would they think players would want to hear that an NPC they came up with can just do our job better than us if they wanted to?

What is portrayed in the game and what the devs say are two very different things is what I'm getting at. Same with them calling this game not a power fantasy when you can literally have multiple harems , have at MINIMUM a dozen girlfriends at the same time, turn a few people into sluts, go on a grand adventure where everybody calls you a Champion and praise you for doing heroic shit, gender bend other people, and have absolutely no repercussions for fucking everything under the sun.

 

[Comiies]

IMO i find most lore discussion about COC2 to be worthless since in theory its based in coc1 right?Its supposed to be a sequal right?Well CoC1 itself is full of holes that translate to even more holes in coc2.So any convo/debates are limited to "X quest or X theme of the game is shit",which is fine and all but it saddens me that we cant talk about anything of substance when it comes to the lore of the game since its foundation is so shakey.

 

[Biostar]

Its supposed to be a sequal right?

It's only a sequel in name. The lore has nothing to do with CoC1

 

[Comiies]

It's only a sequel in name. The lore has nothing to do with CoC1

Nuh uh.Check out evergreens dialogue

 

[Quintilus]

Check out evergreens dialogue

I dont want to launch this shit to win argument over internet. What exactly she says? 'Oi mate, there are Mareth and demonic corruption ere oi ye'

 

[jfmherokiller]

It's only a sequel in name. The lore has nothing to do with CoC1

Nuh uh.Check out evergreens dialogue

I dont want to launch this shit to win argument over internet. What exactly she says? 'Oi mate, there are Mareth and demonic corruption ere oi ye'

better yet check the design docs here

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it specifically says what was originally going to be imported from coc1. I will admit it doesnt have what evergreen says but it shows what they were originally planning.

for those who dont want to read a giant doc heres the connecting exerp

Corruption of Champions II begins in earnest a little over a week after Corruption of Champions, with the tutorial taking place concurrent with the Champion of Ingnam's assault on Lethice's fortress. Realistically, we can expect the end-game to take place several months after CoC's conclusion.

TLDR: Kas is literally fleeing your coc1 champ while you play the coc2 tutorial.

TLDR2: CoC2 is less like a Lion King 2 kind of sequel and more like a lion king 1.5 sequel with a marvel au twist.

 

[Quintilus]

I will admit it doesnt have what evergreen says but it shows what they were originally planning.

I originally was planning to become a jeweler, but who am I now? Spoiler, Im not a jeweler.

 

[Comiies]

better yet check the design docs here

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it specifically says what was originally going to be imported from coc1. I will admit it doesnt have what evergreen says but it shows what they were originally planning.

for those who dont want to read a giant doc heres the connecting exerp



TLDR: Kas is literally fleeing your coc1 champ while you play the coc2 tutorial.

TLDR2: CoC2 is less like a Lion King 2 kind of sequel and more like a lion king 1.5 sequel with a marvel au twist.

Same world diff MCs.An unorthodox use of the "sequal" term but thats not the problem.Fuckers already had holes in the first games story and then made holes inside the holes,its comically tragic

 

[Based Department]

As I said before, the gods are retarded, fuck em all, Im siding with kas to screw them over.

...Assuming savin doesn't fuck it up.

 

[Raptor_RXN]

It's only a sequel in name. The lore has nothing to do with CoC1

there's dialogue references to coc1
kas mentions kiha, the champion, lethice, and the tree goddess

 

[Dreamer44]

It's only a sequel in name. The lore has nothing to do with CoC1

CoC1 is a mess of content and inconsistent lore due to being an amateur's game with lack of quality and content control.

To have a clean start, the sequel takes place in another world, bringing from it the threat of demonkind as presented in the first game.

 

[Chris299]

It's stupid, and hypocritical even, but for years every time I try to start the game I just can't get over Cait being what she is, it just ruins it for me. Going to try again and just leave her at the bar.

 

[Raf-Raf]

CoC1 is a mess of content and inconsistent lore due to being an amateur's game with lack of quality and content control.

To have a clean start, the sequel takes place in another world, bringing from it the threat of demonkind as presented in the first game.

While also explaining that some characters are from the old one?
But at the same time claiming that the first game's world didn't exist in this sequel?

Let's change that to the current game's description.

CoC2 is a mess of content and inconsistent lore due to being an amateur's game with lack of quality and content control.

And guess what, I'd still play that "amateur's game" as you call it over this piece of shit they call a sequel.