Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[undyingrevenant]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.



Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.



People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.




The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

The problem is not characters having the same freedom your character has, it's how the characters are written. Azyrran for example, when the liaden plot first came up, she shows she wants her own harem basically. Which is fine. To raise a fit would make the mc abusive or hypocritical. However, particularly as a male PC she refuses participation in anything, (liaden is lesbian so its understandable but it comes off as weird when females can and azyrran has a bug dong) and constantly praises liaden while mentioning stuff like "yeah but you're ok too", it doesn't come across as polygamy, it comes across as following beats from a ntr game. She meets you, is really into you, but then she sees a rando that she becomes completely and totally infatuated by. Particularly egregious during the dawnsword quest with her in the party and if you get the sword instead, it doesn't feel right, it's written as if your characters just a straight third wheel, she's not written as caring for your both equally in the plot.

Atugia is written as a 9000 year old virgin straight outta twilight that falls for your character but then is open to being pounded by brint or arona. Its ooc. It's optional, yes, but a extreme example is why cait doesn't have a "you're going to be monogamous to me or I'll shank you" optional choice. It'd be ooc for her and the mc and comparitively a waste of writing time. Each character is not the same which is why them banging everyone (or not) doesn't make sense.

Them catering to the few is also blatantly against their design, they explicitly focus on polls or whatever their writers want. There's quite a few vocal people that want quality male characters to match up to the great female characters, but they don't. The vast majority want futa, or female, which is what the vast majority of content is, and what they have been vocal is their priority.

Early access is also not a shield, if people have paid a great deal of money, or purchased the game, or even just invested a great amount of time into it, and suddenly content takes a sudden sharp turn, they're entitled to voice their opinions or discontent without being labeled as trolls or some other such moniker. Them overhauling the combat system is a common thing, the gameplay elements are still there. Removal of party members less so. Again, an extreme example would be something like turning the entire combat system into match 3. The game is in development but you do expect constants, and if you do make a change like that you should expect people to think it's dumb and not be upset people aren't suddenly fanatics for match 3.

Reminder that the Berwyn removal was announced the day of the patch, for months they talked about him getting a new writer taking him over and adding new content. If they'dve been blunt about them making him a npc but still being in the game and having quite a bit of content they could have softened the blow a giant deal. It was the execution of the thing, same with quite a few characters in the game. Many have passionate fans regardless of their content but the execution can be questionable. It's generally whatever the writers want or feel like at the time, not what the characters themselves would do. Frodo goes to Mordor he doesn't flee and marry boromir.

 

[Biostar]

The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

So we should never get invested into anything and just accept every change no matter what.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

So we should never get invested into anything and just accept every change no matter what.

And unless they intend to go back through afterwards and do large re-writes to make the world more consistent, adding more material on top of a flawed foundation won't fix matters. That's what they claim caused CoC to fail.
Seeing as they constantly say various characters are "feature complete" it doesn't sound like they intend to go back through and neaten up old material.

 

[Daken9]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.

Because i'm not an android, and i don't expect fictional characters whose sole purpose in life is to tickle a real person's balls to go off and fuck some other fictional character because their writer decided this power fantasy-esque porn game needed a syringe of real life disappointment.

Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.

Most of those characters are, and what some of them have is the option for cut and dry player-centric threesomes - no strings attached. Didn't list Jae'lyn and Daliza for a reason. It also wasn't just an example, you were saying Kiyoko and Brienne are the exceptions. They aren't.

People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.

So, do it like Fleep is doing and make characters for the NTR and freelove kumbaya crowd, rather than saddling pre-existing ones with all those minority-within-a-minority kinks and in so doing taking them away from the people who were already enjoying them. Like i already said they could be doing.

Which, by the way, is what i'm pretty sure you yourself said they should be doing with genderbent characters. But i guess one's popular and the other is not, so by the law of the contrarian Brint->Brienne nay but Azzy->get cucked yay?

 

[confusedcommoner]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

Even if your character doesn't sleep around, the NPCs still will, often without input or forewarning. Again, there's a reason Cait has a big disclaimer if you try to bed her. Monogamy is what average people expect, and player agency should beat out NPC "agency." You can have both, but you shouldn't sacrifice the PC for NPCs, and sex isn't the only way to express agency.

The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By definition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

Again, it's hard to agree with this sentiment when things come out of left field. It isn't hard to introduce a character as polyamorous or ___ fetish character in their initial release or intro. I don't think every character needs to be monogamous, but waifubaiting is a poor practice. I also think it's pretty silly to suggest people should remain apathetic about something just because it's in progress. What is the purpose of producing art and wanting people to be indifferent?

 

[Skandranon]

Atugia is written as a 9000 year old virgin straight outta twilight that falls for your character but then is open to being pounded by brint or arona. Its ooc.

Even in this example, you have to be comparing it to a different universe with different rules.

However much she "falls", for your character, it doesn't change the fact that characters in this universe, casual sex with ,ultiple people happens a lot. Her having sex with other people isn't ooc unless its been established that she won't have sex with other people (and, slight spoiler,

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Them catering to the few is also blatantly against their design, they explicitly focus on polls or whatever their writers want. There's quite a few vocal people that want quality male characters to match up to the great female characters, but they don't. The vast majority want futa, or female, which is what the vast majority of content is, and what they have been vocal is their priority.

Well, "what the writers want" IS catering to the few. WHen the writers want to write something niche, they do. That's how a lot of the scenes that this forum don't like make it into the game in the first place; writers writing stuff they like.

Heck, the whole reason Brint, or really most male characters, exists is catering to the few. The writers don't really like writing male characters (except for Bubbles I think) and have done them anyway to try to have some variety. Wsan has said before its not really his thing (which is made more obvious by him sneaking a pure female in there anyway later on). Obviously, some people want more, and that's fair, but they wouldn't exist at all otherwise.

Early access is also not a shield, if people have paid a great deal of money, or purchased the game, or even just invested a great amount of time into it, and suddenly content takes a sudden sharp turn, they're entitled to voice their opinions or discontent without being labeled as trolls or some other such moniker. Them overhauling the combat system is a common thing, the gameplay elements are still there. Removal of party members less so. Again, an extreme example would be something like turning the entire combat system into match 3. The game is in development but you do expect constants, and if you do make a change like that you should expect people to think it's dumb and not be upset people aren't suddenly fanatics for match 3.

The player's view of a character not being complete because you don't have the whole story of said character very smoothly falls under the early access umbrella though. I'd agree that it doesn't excuse everything, but that's a very simple and obvious result of the method.

And removal of content happens CONSTANTLY during development of games, especially RPGS. Mass Effect games, Elder Scrolls games, Baldur's Gate games, Ass Creed, heck any large open game especially all have HUGE amounts of finished or nearly finished content that simply doesn't make it to the final game for whatever reason - it's usually one of the first things modders start working on.

The only difference is we're seeing it live.

Reminder that the Berwyn removal was announced the day of the patch, for months they talked about him getting a new writer taking him over and adding new content.

This I agree with, and I've said that before.

Removing Berwyn was, imo, an understandable necessity; keeping it under wraps was not.

 

[Skandranon]

Because i'm not an android, and i don't expect fictional characters whose sole purpose in life is to tickle a real person's balls to go off and fuck some other fictional character because their writer decided this power fantasy-esque porn game needed a syringe of real life disappointment.

You're taking it as disappointment, as if it was solely a negative thing - and not seeing that its just something that someone else might be into and you're not. Personally, I like seeing the NPCs fuck each other, because the PC is a boring character and I'd rather see two interesting characters go at it. Its just variety.

Most of those characters are, and what some of them have is the option for cut and dry threesomes - no strings attached. Didn't list Jae'lyn and Daliza for a reason. It also wasn't just an example, you were saying Kiyoko and Brienne are the exceptions. They aren't.

I said "like" Brienne and Kiyoko, as examples, not exceptions.
And, just for example, Aileh specifically has a scene where she takes a turn in the stocks basically for fun - she's literally a proponent for corruption and the world Kass wants, of course she's not monogamous.

So, do it like Fleep is doing and make characters for the NTR and freelove kumbaya crowd, rather than saddling pre-existing ones with all those minority-within-a-minority kinks and in so doing taking them away from the people who were already enjoying them. Like i already said they could be doing.

Like I said, you're conflating different things. Characters having sex with other people besides you isn't NTR or cucking, unless, by that definition, your character is constantly cucking most of the cast.

Fleep's demons are specifically geared towards that.

Which, by the way, is what i'm pretty sure you yourself said they should be doing with genderbent characters. But i guess one's popular and the other is not, so by the law of the contrarian Brint->Brienne nay but Azzy->get cucked yay?

That's a whole different situation. If you recall, I gave several reasons genderbending is a bad idea.

Genderbending creates more work for the devs, both making the character unlikely to get future content and slowing down the content they do get, something that the devs have said many times themselves.

Its also often (like Brint->Brienne) erases old scenes to add new ones, which means whichever one you choose you experiencing half the work done on that character.

It also changes the design of a character, just making them completely sexually unavailable for some people (someone who is attracted to dudes and not girls can't just look past that through no fault of there own).

Having a character bang another character does not do any of that. It amounts to, usually, a probably skippable sex scene. There is a massive gulf of difference.

Even if your character doesn't sleep around, the NPCs still will, often without input or forewarning. Again, there's a reason Cait has a big disclaimer if you try to bed her. Monogamy is what average people expect, and player agency should beat out NPC "agency." You can have both, but you shouldn't sacrifice the PC for NPCs, and sex isn't the only way to express agency.

Cait sleeps around regardless of your input. Repeatedly and at length. Its basically warning that MOST of her content is focused around this specific thing. It doesn't mean that all others characters don't have any of said thing at all.

Also, I think its dumb and should be removed, but that's neither here nor there.

I also think it's pretty silly to suggest people should remain apathetic about something just because it's in progress. What is the purpose of producing art and wanting people to be indifferent?

I don't think we should expect apathy, just understanding. This kind of stuff is a normal part of the dev process, and understanding that we're just seeing a part of said process we don't normally see instead of treating it like a finished product that things are being ripped out of or ruined is what I feel should be the goal.

 

[Daken9]

You're taking it as disappointment, as if it was solely a negative thing - and not seeing that its just something that someone else might be into and you're not. Personally, I like seeing the NPCs fuck each other, because the PC is a boring character and I'd rather see two interesting characters go at it. Its just variety.

I'm taking it as something that comes out out of blue. Glad you enjoy being third-wheeled, but in most cases (like Azzy's) there's simply nothing pointing to it to that outcome - other than the hope that you will be, i guess.

I said "like" Brienne and Kiyoko, as examples, not exceptions.
And, just for example, Aileh specifically has a scene where she takes a turn in the stocks basically for fun - she's literally a proponent for corruption and the world Kass wants, of course she's not monogamous.

Sorry, my bad. I'll try harder with the semantics. You phrased it as if characters like Kiyoko and Brienne are the exceptions, they aren't.

Aileh's whole deal is also virginal demon with wholesome family content. That we're once told in passing that she's actually everyone's fuckbag, not even by herself and just for it to never be mentioned again, i'd say is just another case of shit coming out of the blue for no reason at all.

Still, let's say she doesn't count. Now to the other 50.

This whole post needs to touch grass. Preferably from underneath.

Like I said, you're conflating different things. Characters having sex with other people besides you isn't NTR or cucking, unless, by that definition, your character is constantly cucking most of the cast.

Fleep's demons are specifically geared towards that.

By definiton he is, and i could care less. Because i actually exist and the fictional characters don't.

That's a whole different situation. If you recall, I gave several reasons genderbending is a bad idea.

Genderbending creates more work for the devs, both making the character unlikely to get future content and slowing down the content they do get, something that the devs have said many times themselves.

Its also often (like Brint->Brienne) erases old scenes to add new ones, which means whichever one you choose you experiencing half the work done on that character.

It also changes the design of a character, just making them completely sexually unavailable for some people (someone who is attracted to dudes and not girls can't just look past that through no fault of there own).

Having a character bang another character does not do any of that. It amounts to, usually, a probably skippable sex scene. There is a massive gulf of difference.

I'm sorry, what do you think turning Atugia or Ryn into everyone's fucktoys did if not making them less appealing to people? Like, do you think it stops at physical appearance and that characterization and consistency matter none?

Also, not sure how you still believe that genderbending and male characters not getting any content are somehow connected after a male companion just got taken out for no reason at all. Better yet, not sure why we still pretending a ton of characters are getting genderbent while in reality it was just Brint for the longest time.

Which, by the way, still a point for genderbending, since putting him in Brienne's backpack could easily be what kept him the male character with the most content/halfway consistent updates in the game.

 

[Wrynn13]

Casual sex makes sense in universe. Yes. Man children I swear. Acting as if they have got monopoly on good writing.

You keep using that phrase "good writing." I do not think it means what you think it does.

 

[Skandranon]

I'm taking it as something that comes out out of blue. Glad you enjoy being third-wheeled, but in most cases (like Azzy's) there's simply nothing pointing to it to that outcome - other than the hope that you will be, i guess.

I think that there was plenty that pointed towards it. In addition, I don't think there needs to be anything announcing that characters might be having some sex in a sex game.

Aileh's whole deal is also virginal demon with wholesome family content. That we're once told in passing that she's actually everyone's fuckbag, not even by herself and just for it to never be mentioned again, i'd say is just another case of shit coming out of the blue for no reason at all.

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort. "Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all.

But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".
Brint->Brienne was also out of the blue, no prior setup. No complaints.
I would say that that's not really the issue people have.

By definiton he is, and i could care less. Because i actually exist and the fictional characters don't.

Then your issue isn't actually with the characters portrayal here. This isn't an inconsistency with how the characters act in-universe, it's about what content you like.

Which is fine, but there's a big difference between "these characters have inconsistent portrayals" and "I don't like the portrayals of these characters personally".

I'm sorry, what do you think turning Atugia or Ryn into everyone's fucktoys did if not making them less appealing to people? Like, do you think it stops at physical appearance and that characterization and consistency matter none?

I didn't say "less appealing" I said sexually unavailable.
"This character has a scene I don't like that I don't even actually have to see" is not the same thing as "this character is the whole wrong gender".

Also, not sure how you still believe that genderbending and male characters not getting any content are somehow connected after a male companion just got taken out for no reason at all. Better yet, not sure why we still pretending a ton of characters are getting genderbent while in reality it was just Brint for the longest time.

The only reason they did genderbend him is BECAUSE he got taken out. They said so themselves. They added a bunch of variables to a character that wouldn't be getting any more content going forward, so they don't have to worry about how hard it is to upkeep them in the future.

And I didn't say anything about a bunch of characters being genderbent? You brought it up as a point of comparison, I was just responding. Gnederbending has happened in past games though, and its usually, imo, not a great idea for development.

Which, by the way, still a point for genderbending, since putting him in Brienne's backpack could easily be what kept him the male character with the most content/halfway consistent updates in the game.

Could be? Or it could be that he's the only male companion being written by a staff writer, and the staff writer characters are the ones that get the most content.

And if we're speculating, we could also say that he would have gotten even more content had he been Wsan's sole focus.

What's not speculation is that he still gets less content and less in depth content than Brienne, and will continue to do so.

Just as an example, when the triple marriage comes up for Brienne's family...if you have Brint, you don't get to marry his sister or mother at all. For whatever reason.

 

[Tau_Iota]

It is the usual gamer thing. "I am not into this. Why would anyone else be?" I wouldnt waste my time on them.

Must be new around here. Skandranon loves debating, it's sport. Not a knock, dude just really enjoys debating about things he likes. You must be a gaymer too, since you're not into debating and telling Skandranon not to

Also, I leave for 12 hours and the thread blew up lmao I enjoy NTR when it's more devious and sneaky, not "NTR" like this. This is just casual sex between people that you have also sexed, only they do not feel the same way about you that you do them.
I will say that stitching this onto characters that lack PC-involved content is an odd choice and it does make sense to make NPCs that cater to NTR, but does that not fall into the issue people have with all these NPCs with 2-3 scenes while people like Atugia wither away?

tl;dr Kassyra makes it clear that her libido knows no bounds, but ultimately thinks you're the best at having sex with her. It's only her drive to have children that keeps her fucking other people. Therefore, Kassyra is best waifu confirmed

 

[liinh]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin. or i guess i like the IDEA of quin. first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types. he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

i wish he had more consistent characterization. why after telling you he can't bang bc it would make him look suspicious is he suddenly talking about wanting to fuck everyone? make it make sense. i think it would be interesting if quin focused more on pc interaction then just being a horny dude sitting around the bar talking about how sexy he finds the party or whatever.

let pc learn more about him, his past etc, make you actually learn about him before diving right into sex. i think that would help make him feel less like "dude that shows up to bang your various girlfriends" if he was purposefully keeping AWAY from sex for the time being because he's afraid it will make him look suspicious due to being a former sex cultist. drop the arrogant attitude, or have him be the trope of "arrogant guy is learning to tone it down/is embarrassed he used to be that arrogant". like if anyone here has watched or played tales of the abyss, kinda what luke goes through characterization wise. used to be an arrogant jackass but is trying to reform a bit after pulling his head out of his ass.

i think this would also help differentiate him a bit because so this is a porn game obviously. heres a character who you actually have to talk with and build relationship with before you can get into anything sexual.

i understand honestly most people probably wouldn't be interested in this because quin is pretty disliked but i just wanted to muse a bit about a character i think is quite honestly wasted potential. it's like he could be what a lot of people are looking for (more male content for the game, in between body type, one of the only male companions) but the way he's characterized and written is so mishandled and he's just botched at this point.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin.

Heresy!... no do go on, I also do not hate the bunny.

i wish he had more consistent characterization. why after telling you he can't bang bc it would make him look suspicious is he suddenly talking about wanting to fuck everyone? make it make sense. i think it would be interesting if quin focused more on pc interaction then just being a horny dude sitting around the bar talking about how sexy he finds the party or whatever.

let pc learn more about him, his past etc, make you actually learn about him before diving right into sex. i think that would help make him feel less like "dude that shows up to bang your various girlfriends" if he was purposefully keeping AWAY from sex for the time being because he's afraid it will make him look suspicious due to being a former sex cultist. drop the arrogant attitude, or have him be the trope of "arrogant guy is learning to tone it down/is embarrassed he used to be that arrogant". like if anyone here has watched or played tales of the abyss, kinda what luke goes through characterization wise. used to be an arrogant jackass but is trying to reform a bit after pulling his head out of his ass.

100% with you on this. Especially as there are other (female) characters who have warming up periods before they will bang. Zo for instance.
It makes a lot of sense to play him either as outwardly flirty and (fake) macho, but inwardly have him be on edge the whole time because he thinks that perhaps the cults taint and corruption is still in him, and giving in to his lusts could push him over the edge.
Or, as you say, have it be a period of learning for him, like you could have several "dates" with Quinn where you're helping him by taking him down a peg or three. Maybe you wingman for him/are his probations officer until he's able to keep himself in check.

But the main point I wish to highlight, is that you've also raised the issue of consistency. Quin's character feels like more of a nothing than it really is, because he's got contradictory scenes. Is he a man's man who can't look at a woman without eye banging them, or is he a self-torturing little flower who must suffer for his sins?

 

[Tau_Iota]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin. or i guess i like the IDEA of quin. first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types. he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

i wish he had more consistent characterization. why after telling you he can't bang bc it would make him look suspicious is he suddenly talking about wanting to fuck everyone? make it make sense. i think it would be interesting if quin focused more on pc interaction then just being a horny dude sitting around the bar talking about how sexy he finds the party or whatever.

let pc learn more about him, his past etc, make you actually learn about him before diving right into sex. i think that would help make him feel less like "dude that shows up to bang your various girlfriends" if he was purposefully keeping AWAY from sex for the time being because he's afraid it will make him look suspicious due to being a former sex cultist. drop the arrogant attitude, or have him be the trope of "arrogant guy is learning to tone it down/is embarrassed he used to be that arrogant". like if anyone here has watched or played tales of the abyss, kinda what luke goes through characterization wise. used to be an arrogant jackass but is trying to reform a bit after pulling his head out of his ass.

i think this would also help differentiate him a bit because so this is a porn game obviously. heres a character who you actually have to talk with and build relationship with before you can get into anything sexual.

i understand honestly most people probably wouldn't be interested in this because quin is pretty disliked but i just wanted to muse a bit about a character i think is quite honestly wasted potential. it's like he could be what a lot of people are looking for (more male content for the game, in between body type, one of the only male companions) but the way he's characterized and written is so mishandled and he's just botched at this point.

That about sums it up. Wasted potential on what could have been really interesting, given he was a part of the cult. Could have even had two paths for him, like X event happens and you have choices Y and Z. Y turns him against you, and acts as a foil to Cait where he provides corruption as opposed to removing it. He slowly dominates you and your party until yes you are the Champ, but he's the leader of the party. This is unbeknownst to the Champ until it's a bit too late, but made clear to the player before even choosing. Choice Z fully realizes his potential as a male companion, he feels indebted to you and will do anything to help. Realizes that talking about wanting to bang everyone you're banging is... awkward and dedicates himself moreso on their combat when you ask about them. He becomes more focused on destroying the cult, and if you'll have him even a monogamous lover. As there is no monogamous male you can have (while there's minimum Brienne and Kiyoko), he would be a husband. It wouldn't dramatically change the character, as you earned his love via X event when the smarter option would have been doing Y but you did Z.

Obviously on the Choice Y path he would bang your party, so you don't have to upset people who want that content.

 

[Bloep]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

 

[muschi26]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

I just skip all the scenes.

 

[CaffeinatedPersone]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

That’s all fun and good until you reach kitsune content and accidentally read it

 

[muschi26]

That’s all fun and good until you reach kitsune content and accidentally read it

IMO the Miko+Kiyoko and Rindo+Kiyoko double preg scenes are some of the hottest scenes.

…until you realize you've only scrolled about halfway down the page.

 

[Daken9]

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort. "Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all.

But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".
Brint->Brienne was also out of the blue, no prior setup. No complaints.
I would say that that's not really the issue people have.

Because people enjoy that stuff? Because virginal demon into baby momma runs the same rails in a way that baby momma into stockade does not? Because Brienne into Brint was a move that played to the audience, while also not affecting Brint as a character in any way so false dichotomy btw, while Atugia into Arona and Brint's fucktoy was not and did? Like, what.

Then your issue isn't actually with the characters portrayal here. This isn't an inconsistency with how the characters act in-universe, it's about what content you like.

Which is fine, but there's a big difference between "these characters have inconsistent portrayals" and "I don't like the portrayals of these characters personally".

My issue is that i enjoy arguing in good faith and don't like repeating the same thing fifty times over, until the other person gets it or quits pretending not to. And since i can't imagine we're still in former territory, let's just say i disagree with the idea that the nature of a setting should override individual characterization at the drop of a dime and leave it at that.

 

[liinh]

Choice Z fully realizes his potential as a male companion, he feels indebted to you and will do anything to help. Realizes that talking about wanting to bang everyone you're banging is... awkward and dedicates himself moreso on their combat when you ask about them. He becomes more focused on destroying the cult, and if you'll have him even a monogamous lover. As there is no monogamous male you can have (while there's minimum Brienne and Kiyoko), he would be a husband.

i would love to see quin as a monogamous husband type. maybe this is because we just don't have anything like this in the game so far but yeah. i touched on his dialogue for a character having his kid before in another post(i might go screenshot it later) but it was surprisingly sweet and i would like to see more of that quin.