Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[M0nte]

It'll also have Alypia's second actual full character after Serena. and I really liked Serena. Alypia is pretty much the only writer who actually seems to go for romances that actually develops in stages （based on the one example I got) so I'm pretty interested to see this.

I an interested in why you think that? What does Serena have that other Romantic interests lack?

 

[jfmherokiller]

Exactly!
I didn't have a problem playing the story through the first time (although Kiyoko's strict upbringing was evident). *Until* Freeing them from the amulet.
The bullshit Tobs pulled when bringing Kiyoko & Kinu out of the amulet/dreamscape was completely uneccesary (even if he was going to age Kinu (fine) but to put the dislike of you in there was unecessary).

I wouldn't have minded an incest plot with older Kinu if it was fairly well-written (more like the interaction with her growing up), but it wasn't something that I must have.
(It would have been interesting because the previous interactions had been well-written)

My main problem is that he ruined the (normal) relationship between you & your daughter (that was actually sweet & interesting) for no reason.
If he didn't want to put incest in, fine, no problem. Say so on the forums or whatever.
But don't then turn around and deliberately screw up the story just to get back at people who asked for it or whatever. (petty & childish)
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I'm getting off track here, but I agree with pretty much all of what you've said and in regards to the den's attitude towards you - I don't mind it at the beginning, but it should evolve as you become more involved with the den.

-For argument's sake, their attitude may even be appropriate for the Shogun-ish era he's drawing from, but it's completely out of place with the rest of the game (not the attitude, but the fact that they don't warm up to you very much, considering all the things you do for them.)

TBF They may be waiting for a big quest much later where you save the den from the big-bads & earn their proper respect that way, which would be ok, but also too late if that makes sense.

damn this shows how much I usually skip with the upbringing stuff unintentionally or my brain completely deletes because for all the times I have played, I honestly dont remember Kiyoko laying a hand on Kinu.

 

[Skandranon]

I an interested in why you think that? What does Serena have that other Romantic interests lack?

She feels a bit more complete, due to both not jumping you immediately and her non sexual scenes. You hang out with her a bit, get to know her, and then get to see things that are important to her (her kids) before you get intimate with her.

Special mention to those, as the scenes with your party and the kids are the kind of scenes that I really enjoy and make a character more endearing.

 

[M0nte]

Do you think aversion to casual sex is needed for serious romance to work, or is it just that in Serenas case it was ideal?

 

[Quintilus]

casual sex

What considered a casual sex in this excuse for a game?!

 

[M0nte]

In this context, it is someone who is willing to go down from beggining but does not actually like you romantically. So fuck buddies, basically. Yet, given enough time (3 to 4 events), you can become lovers if you so choose.

 

[Skandranon]

Do you think aversion to casual sex is needed for serious romance to work, or is it just that in Serenas case it was ideal?

I think that a romance can work either way.

Going over to TiTs for instance, there are several characters who jump into sex immediately or pretty quickly and still feel like they develop a relationship that works: Anno, Syri, Shekka, Amber, Ardia, etc.

A lot of them, though, (in both this game and TiTs) feel like Briennes: character is almost immediately in love with you for no real discernible reason other than you existing in their vicinity.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I think that a romance can work either way.

Going over to TiTs for instance, there are several characters who jump into sex immediately or pretty quickly and still feel like they develop a relationship that works: Anno, Syri, Shekka, Amber, Ardia, etc.

A lot of them, though, (in both this game and TiTs) feel like Briennes: character is almost immediately in love with you for no real discernible reason other than you existing in their vicinity.

On the other end of the spectrum we have someone like

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. She won't immediately have sex with the player and you have to build familiarity with her first. Which is a bitch and a half because she only appears on hostile tiles most of the day AND she moves planets every week. Her "familiarity" stat also only goes up by increments but if you're not too careful you may accidentally annoy her and decrease her hidden familiarity stat by at least five times of what you can gain in an average encounter with her (See spoiler below)

Spoiler: I mean look at this shit

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She's also married and has children, which might turn off some players. She also won't have sex with Himbos/Bimbos, or non-bipedal characters. Overall she's an incredibly hard character to get in bed with, which is a shame. Who doesn't like a literal foxy-MILF doctor?

 

[Skandranon]

Bianca's pretty good but, as you mentioned, she's partially part of the relationship building styles that I don't like: repeated non unique events to build some meter or points to move stages.

Like Amily in CoC, who you had to visit a billion times and pop out a trillion babies with before she moved in with you.

In fact, I'd say it was long past the time a player with no foreknowledge of the game would assume anything was going to happen.

And the visits and sex were just the same scenes repeated pretty much ad infinitum.

It really sucked, and it wasn't the only case of this in CoC, quite a few of the companions did it.

If it's unique events to move the relationship, or a small amount of repeated events just to simulate a building relationship? Fine. But making it tedious sucks.

Strawberry Tea did it right with the manicure girl. A few meetings, then a decent number of mostly unique training events iirc worked well to set up a budding relationship.

B also isn't bad at this, did it with Paige and Zo and it felt fairly natural.

 

[muschi26]

Strawberry Tea did it right with the manicure girl

 

[Skandranon]

I've stopped fighting the autocorrect on my phone, whatever it thinks I'm trying to say is what I'm saying.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Do you think aversion to casual sex is needed for serious romance to work, or is it just that in Serenas case it was ideal?

It can work no matter how that is approached, all that matters is the emotional journey. I mean just look at the first game or even some instances in TiTS. Helia, Marble, Urta, Kiha, Kiro, Tessa, Paige, etc. all have the ability to fuck before romance, but that's not all there is to them. We get to know things about them and do things with them in a way that feels natural towards building a relationship with them. As long as you take the necessary amount of time and effort to properly pace what you do with the character, I think any of them could work romantically. The problem with this game is that people just instantly fall in love with you with no real set-up. You don't have to put any work into it and that's just not how relationships work, even just when it comes to getting into one.

On the other end of the spectrum we have someone like

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. She won't immediately have sex with the player and you have to build familiarity with her first. Which is a bitch and a half because she only appears on hostile tiles most of the day AND she moves planets every week. Her "familiarity" stat also only goes up by increments but if you're not too careful you may accidentally annoy her and decrease her hidden familiarity stat by at least five times of what you can gain in an average encounter with her (See spoiler below)

Spoiler: I mean look at this shit

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She's also married and has children, which might turn off some players. She also won't have sex with Himbos/Bimbos, or non-bipedal characters. Overall she's an incredibly hard character to get in bed with, which is a shame. Who doesn't like a literal foxy-MILF doctor?

I'm fine with Bianca. I never went especially out of my way to repeat her events or anything and I unlocked all her content without any real hassle. Having a character you need to work for and actually has standards is also fine to me since it actually helps characterize them. That's not to say she's done perfectly or anything, but I do think it's not as big a deal as you make it out to be.

Strawberry Tea did it right with the manicure girl.

To anybody who doesn't get this: He means manticore girl and is talking about Valencia.

 

[muschi26]

To anybody who doesn't get this: He means manticore girl and is talking about Valencia.

I know, I know, I was just making a joke, OK?

 

[Walk Cycle]

It can work no matter how that is approached, all that matters is the emotional journey. I mean just look at the first game or even some instances in TiTS. Helia, Marble, Urta, Kiha, Kiro, Tessa, Paige, etc. all have the ability to fuck before romance, but that's not all there is to them. We get to know things about them and do things with them in a way that feels natural towards building a relationship with them. As long as you take the necessary amount of time and effort to properly pace what you do with the character, I think any of them could work romantically. The problem with this game is that people just instantly fall in love with you with no real set-up. You don't have to put any work into it and that's just not how relationships work, even just when it comes to getting into one

I'm fine with Bianca. I never went especially out of my way to repeat her events or anything and I unlocked all her content without any real hassle. Having a character you need to work for and actually has standards is also fine to me since it actually helps characterize them. That's not to say she's done perfectly or anything, but I do think it's not as big a deal as you make it out to be.

Tbh I took one look at Bianca's wiki page and was demotivated on how I have to repeat bland encounters with her than say, actually get to know her or help her with a quest. Doesn't help her than when I encounter her it usually means I started a new playthrough and at that point I'm more concerned on getting to the next Probe (and Ardia) as fast as possible. I also don't mind that she opposes having sex with taurs/nagas or himbos/bimbos because that's perfectly rational. I just wish she has scenes where Steele can help her out while she's working or Steele is more active around her. Something like Dommy Mommy Caterpillar Xanthe on Myrellion where you can just spend time on her lap just talking about her day or where she has you wear new clothes she made and act as a model for her customers, and those are usually just few sentences long.

Also it's nice to see fellow Paige enjoyers. B did an excellent job with her, when I saw that interactivity in her body worship scene oof

 

[MoneyMan181]

Something like Dommy Mommy Caterpillar Xanthe on Myrellion where you can just spend time on her lap just talking about her day or where she has you wear new clothes she made and act as a model for her customers, and those are usually just few sentences long.

She does have a lot of conversations in the bars of the planets she's on. She's there right after she stops work for the day, you can have a good chunk of talks with her that way if you want. Being able to help her somehow and get closer that way would be nice, though.

I know, I know, I was just making a joke, OK?

I... Know? I'm just trying to explain what he originally meant to people since I didn't know what he was talking about until he said he made a typo.

 

[nejfan]

So says Bubbles.


So expect Hadriana in...uh...mid-to-late 2023.

Holy shit, is it seriously gonna take over 3 whole years for his fem path to be released since they brought it up??

Btw, what characters can be feminized/sissified here?

 

[muschi26]

Btw, what characters can be feminized/sissified here?

Brint and Berwyn. Keros can change into a woman, but it’s not permanent.

 

[M0nte]

Holy shit, is it seriously gonna take over 3 whole years for his fem path to be released since they brought it up??

Btw, what characters can be feminized/sissified here?

No one really. Unless you count Brint and Berwyn, but they are to sudden of shits to fulfil that fetish. There is supposed to be Hirrud Genderbend but that is on the back burner for now. Not sure for anyone else.
I do have 15 000 words work and so on that topic but it is longs way of.

 

[arls120]

I think it will take longer, they are taking a strong liking to the complete change from man to woman at the moment..........

 

[jfmherokiller]

No one really. Unless you count Brint and Berwyn, but they are to sudden of shits to fulfil that fetish. There is supposed to be Hirrud Genderbend but that is on the back burner for now. Not sure for anyone else.
I do have 15 000 words work and so on that topic but it is longs way of.

I do kind of want to see more of Hirrud because he has a good charater design