Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Quintilus]

From another pov, the Jedi are the bad guys.

So Im a bad guy from savs/tobs POV!?
Excellent...
They hate me?
Good...

 

[Lord Kentus]

I mean I think its one of the larger flaws in TOB's writing styles, even in scenes where you can tell he is trying to actually invoke something vaguely positive he can't help himself and pull away from the MC to gush over his precious NPC's. It always has to twist around raise up his character at the expense of the main character and honestly it just grates to the point where I sort of just skim at best any scene written by him now.

 

[Raf-Raf]

I mean I think its one of the larger flaws in TOB's writing styles, even in scenes where you can tell he is trying to actually invoke something vaguely positive he can't help himself and pull away from the MC to gush over his precious NPC's. It always has to twist around raise up his character at the expense of the main character and honestly it just grates to the point where I sort of just skim at best any scene written by him now.

It's a trademark alright, when you see a bible's worth of text with information that nobody gives a fuck about instead of getting to the main point.

That's the Tobs special trademark.
Kind of like how people say two things with a different meaning:

Yo, I'm thirsty can I get a drink?
Sure, man.
--
Yo, I'm thirsty can I get a drink?
Ah, it seems that the heat has gotten into you making you crave for water.
I shall look around and go to the refrigerator to see if we have any refreshments inside that can soothe your problem right now.
Maybe a cup of water, maybe a cup of coffee, tea? Or do you prefer juice? Perhaps maybe something different to spice up the choices-

Just get any fucking drink.

 

[Lord Kentus]

It's a trademark alright, when you see a bible's worth of text with information that nobody gives a fuck about instead of getting to the main point.

That's the Tobs trademark.

The only part of his writing that actually sort of works for me is that he is forced to actually accommodate the player overcoming the nonsense of his and the other writers scenarios, he can hype up this event, person, group or organization and then the Champ can come in and kick their teeth in and at best he can go: Uncouth Barbarian!

 

[Raf-Raf]

The only part of his writing that actually sort of works for me is that he is forced to actually accommodate the player overcoming the nonsense of his and the other writers scenarios, he can hype up this event, person, group or organization and then the Champ can come in and kick their teeth in and at best he can go: Uncouth Barbarian!

Not to mention ignore everything the PC has done so far and make them a total moron to fit the narrative.
Or make a very questionable choice instead of having a common sense for once.

They're mad at me for not being there for like 10+ years for something that I have no control of.
Should I explain? Nah, imma just apologize 'cause that WORKS wonders.

 

[Lord Kentus]

Not to mention ignore everything the PC has done so far and make them a total moron to fit the narrative.
Or make a very questionable choice instead of having a common sense for once.

They're mad at me for not being there for like 10+ years for something that I have no control of.
Should I explain? Nah, imma just apologize 'cause that WORKS wonders.

Yeah but here is the positive: He can write what he will but given how the game is structured, he always to acknowledge you win and I bet it drives him insane, the PC getting one over on his precious NPCs. They can get away, flee and scurry, be "winded and beat up but still standing" or whatever he tries to incorporate to salve his ass burns but at the end of the day, no matter what he writes, you still have to win.

His only escape from this simple fact of game structuring is in scenarios as you described, its social, non combat related stuff and honestly outside of the shit already griped about here a thousand times I don't think there is any new ground to tred. His nonsense view of family matters, some OP pysker harpy who can frag the PC's mind and you are forced to get over it, ultimately yeah that stuff exists but it doesn't change the fact you also get to kick the tar out of some of his NPCs and it probably rides his ass.

Ultimately his take on the Champ is bullshit, his NPCs are bullshit but it doesn't change the fact, he still has to write the Champ winning in a good deal of his nonsensical little stories.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Yeah but here is the positive: He can write what he will but given how the game is structured, he always to acknowledge you win and I bet it drives him insane, the PC getting one over on his precious NPCs. They can get away, flee and scurry, be "winded and beat up but still standing" or whatever he tries to incorporate to salve his ass burns but at the end of the day, no matter what he writes, you still have to win.

His only escape from this simple fact of game structuring is in scenarios as you described, its social, non combat related stuff and honestly outside of the shit already griped about here a thousand times I don't think there is any new ground to tred. His nonsense view of family matters, some OP pysker harpy who can frag the PC's mind and you are forced to get over it, ultimately yeah that stuff exists but it doesn't change the fact you also get to kick the tar out of some of his NPCs and it probably rides his ass.

Ultimately his take on the Champ is bullshit, his NPCs are bullshit but it doesn't change the fact, he still has to write the Champ winning in a good deal of his nonsensical little stories.

If that's winning then why does it feel like shit.
I just did a good thing by freeing a waifu from being stuck inside a crystal ball for god knows how long.
And my reward for that is a slap on the face with a running start from both her and my damn kid.

If my reward for doing my best to treat my kid good is a damn bimbo with a vendetta against me then I'd rather not be a parent at all.
If that is winning then I'd rather not participate in this thing at all.
Kiyoko can stay inside that ball, Kinu can stay inside my balls.

The only thing I'm going to interact in the fox den is the merchant fox lady and buy the crit rings then get the fuck out of that shithole and pretend it never existed.

 

[Lord Kentus]

If that's winning then why does it feel like shit.

Because you play the game the way he wants, I don't engage with half of his garbage, my involvement with the Kitsune basically ends once I retrieve the bag. I leave the fox fucks with a swift kick the jaw and a middle finger on the way out the door and proceed to beat the shit out of them every time they try to jump me in the forest.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Because you play the game the way he wants, I don't engage with half of his garbage, my involvement with the Kitsune basically ends once I retrieve the bag. I leave the fox fucks with a swift kick the jaw and a middle finger on the way out the door and proceed to beat the shit out of them every time they try to jump me in the forest.

Precisely why I am doing the last line of the comment now.
I'm just gon' buy shit and leave for good.

It's like playing an mmo with shit devs while convincing yourself it'll be better over time.
Learned that the hard way. WoW, amirite???
Or trying to get back to a toxic ex and convince myself it'll be different this time.
I can fix them.

Look what it did to me, it turned me from a normal cat to a damn cactus.
I loved that kid demmet, Went full blown immersion overload during the crystal ball phase.
Then this mf hit me with that bullshit after freeing them for the first time.

This wretched form will be my reminder, to make sure I never forget what happened.
Maybe I'll transcend this cactus form and be back to normal someday but who knows.

 

[jfmherokiller]

I keep wanting to find ways to make the who kinu issue better. but even if you spend time with your family for 10 ingame years it does not it solve anything. thank god they gave us a kind of backup in Freja.

fuck Tobs with a rusty rake for making me care about somone in a porn game for once.

 

[Warphorror]

Logical or not, nobody wants this to happen. I haven't seen anyone make the argument that it's so good because it's realistic and you can't always get what you want. Have you ever watched porn where they recreate a realistic neurosurgery? No, because nobody was looking for a documentary in the first place. Leave the despair content to games themed around it, like NTR, or don't write porn at all. Go finish the last GoT book or something.

And that is all fine and dandy, I'm not going to fault them for that. What I will do however, is be pretty salty that on multiple occasions mc is put in a situation where he feels like a stranger in his own "home" after the awkward air of 10 years MIA has been cleared, and yet the fraudulent god who at best damaged the family pretty bad due to sheer negligence and at worst did it for the lulz gets nothing but absolute reverence from them without even so much of a hint of a crisis of faith.

If you read my post completely you would have noticed that I spoke of the "initial reaction of Kinu" and criticized what happens next. It should have been the trigger for a reconcilliation and understanding arc and that's where TOBS fucked it all (again).

 

[Lord Kentus]

If you read my post completely you would have noticed that I spoke of the "initial reaction of Kinu" and criticized what happens next. It should have been the trigger for a reconcilliation and understanding arc and that's where TOBS fucked it all (again).

As I said a long time ago in this very thread, the best Kinu is the one that doesn't exist.

Life is just pain and suffering for her so the best timeline is the one where she is never born.

 

[Quintilus]

As I said a long time ago in this very thread, the best Kinu is the one that doesn't exist.

Life is just pain and suffering for her so the best timeline is the one where she is never born.

"For her"?

How about us?

 

[Biostar]

even in scenes where you can tell he is trying to actually invoke something vaguely positive he can't help himself and pull away from the MC to gush over his precious NPC's.

I still remember our "date" with Meira. What a hack.

 

[glygoch]

If you read my post completely you would have noticed that I spoke of the "initial reaction of Kinu" and criticized what happens next. It should have been the trigger for a reconcilliation and understanding arc and that's where TOBS fucked it all (again).

Never said you didn't, my point was that the quality of writing is irrelevant if he writes "feel bad" stories. The point of the whole story is to make you feel guilty if you care for your fictional daughter. I personally deleted the orb from existence back when that was possible as soon as I heard about this spite project. No point running head against a brick wall.

 

[Mr.Hide]

Their viewpoint is conflict.
I re-read the story and feel awkward in the Fox family but I understand the plot.
Perhaps I am also an Asian, so knew very well the conflict in one family and felt it was normal.
Both Kinu feel a degree of dislike toward either Kiyoko or Komari because they feel the latter oppress them. (And the Asian way to express their dislikes is indifference toward their target)
It's right to some degree but because the parents have no choice but to groom a proper successor for the Otomo family.
Kiyoko values human relationships and how to exercise political ability while Komari worships god and the fertile land.
When your daughter/future head shows the ability that suits their taste or shows the demerit with they dislike.
That's how their awkward relationship comes in.
-----Komari is loyal to Kiyoko but more than a hundred years have passed, and Komari who suffered and faced numerous hardships would have different opinions.
Komari may think about the family serving Kinu to help the Shoujo demerit as the goddess of fertility while Kiyoko doesn't care about god or otherworldly power and pursues versatility over rigidness

*Shoujo fears her mother and doesn't want to be like her, Hime feels the "old-hags" annoying and ineffective.
They feel that adults oppress them and show dislike

**Well, this is my opinion from my experience.

 

[ScholarOfTheFirstSin]

Their viewpoint is conflict.
I re-read the story and feel awkward in the Fox family but I understand the plot.
Perhaps I am also an Asian, so knew very well the conflict in one family and felt it was normal.
Both Kinu feel a degree of dislike toward either Kiyoko or Komari because they feel the latter oppress them. (And the Asian way to express their dislikes is indifference toward their target)
It's right to some degree but because the parents have no choice but to groom a proper successor for the Otomo family.
Kiyoko values human relationships and how to exercise political ability while Komari worships god and the fertile land.
When your daughter/future head shows the ability that suits their taste or shows the demerit with they dislike.
That's how their awkward relationship comes in.
-----Komari is loyal to Kiyoko but more than a hundred years have passed, and Komari who suffered and faced numerous hardships would have different opinions.
Komari may think about the family serving Kinu to help the Shoujo demerit as the goddess of fertility while Kiyoko doesn't care about god or otherworldly power and pursues versatility over rigidness

*Shoujo fears her mother and doesn't want to be like her, Hime feels the "old-hags" annoying and ineffective.
They feel that adults oppress them and show dislike

**Well, this is my opinion from my experience.

Nice try Mr.Observer

 

[Shurouga]

While would Kinu fear Kiyoko her own mother ?

 

[Thatguymercy]

It's crazy how every 30 pages we gotta have about 10 dedicated to shitting on Tobs on how he handled kinu.
Either old people are making new accounts to spark an argument or the writing is just that bad.

 

[Comiies]

Their viewpoint is conflict.
I re-read the story and feel awkward in the Fox family but I understand the plot.
Perhaps I am also an Asian, so knew very well the conflict in one family and felt it was normal.
Both Kinu feel a degree of dislike toward either Kiyoko or Komari because they feel the latter oppress them. (And the Asian way to express their dislikes is indifference toward their target)
It's right to some degree but because the parents have no choice but to groom a proper successor for the Otomo family.
Kiyoko values human relationships and how to exercise political ability while Komari worships god and the fertile land.
When your daughter/future head shows the ability that suits their taste or shows the demerit with they dislike.
That's how their awkward relationship comes in.
-----Komari is loyal to Kiyoko but more than a hundred years have passed, and Komari who suffered and faced numerous hardships would have different opinions.
Komari may think about the family serving Kinu to help the Shoujo demerit as the goddess of fertility while Kiyoko doesn't care about god or otherworldly power and pursues versatility over rigidness

*Shoujo fears her mother and doesn't want to be like her, Hime feels the "old-hags" annoying and ineffective.
They feel that adults oppress them and show dislike

**Well, this is my opinion from my experience.

Shut up glowie