Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[13ry4n]

The opposition to "power fantasy" in addition to being petty and annoying is also pointless, because save editors exist and if a player wants that power fantasy he can just boost his character and stats up to level one hundred and one shot literally everything. There's not even really a downside to this strategy so long as you leave quest flags and the like alone, or at least I haven't encountered any issues.

At least, that's what I do at any rate, if I want challenge then I'll go play a Souls game or Doom: Eternal on higher difficulties. On the short list of reasons why I play porn games, challenge is not one of them. At least not the kind of "Challenge" that the devs of this game make.

 

[TheVegnar]

Because they're incompetent. I wrote about this earlier in this thread but they are absolutely terrible game designers because they have the worst possible attitude towards making games, like incompetent dungeon masters in Dungeons and Dragons (which they frequently allude to as inspiration, ironically enough) they believe they have a "vision" that should be forced onto people, but they aren't fucking Hideo Kojima, they're Hideuos Fox-furries and amateurs when it comes to game development.

Both the mods and the wikis involve relinquishing control, and small petty people don't want to give up the power they have, because again, they're xiaoren, small, petty people. Any and all changes are solely supposed to be at their beck and call and control; that's why they pretend that their forum submission nonsense is the same or better than modding: it lets them maintain their self-image as being powerful.

But they're not. They're amateur devs getting paid for making a smut game. They have to protect their delusion of adequacy and like all delusionals they lash out at those inflicting reality on them. They get away with it because they have a niche; while there's been a few devs following Fenoxo and the original COC they haven't yet managed to mount a real challenge, but we'll see if time doesn't change that. (Especially not TITs has gone, hah, tits up with that atrociously shit UI that manages to keep all the bad parts of the old one while throwing out the few decent things it had)

edit: Look at how they view characters for instance; they write down who "owns" it and get hissy over them; this is because they're not competent game devs but roleplayers who write smut. This is why they have to have "permission" to do things (though I doubt they really care that much and just use it as an excuse)

Don't forget the bann anyone who says they arn't the best, disagrees with them in the slightest, asks Important Questions on content they promised but didn't deliver, asked questions that involves an actual answer. I quit when asking a question, had Sav coming to the comments or one of his forum underlings, and replace your entire comment with gay or some such remark. Good thing I left before the ban hammer was wheeled out. -_-

 

[Malcowitz]

Don't forget the bann anyone who says they arn't the best, disagrees with them in the slightest, asks Important Questions on content they promised but didn't deliver, asked questions that involves an actual answer. I quit when asking a question, had Sav coming to the comments or one of his forum underlings, and replace your entire comment with gay or some such remark. Good thing I left before the ban hammer was wheeled out. -_-

Again, they simply aren't professionals in any way whatsoever and have no incentive to improve. On the contrary, they self-select yes-men and morons because they benefit from it and because of the small pool of games with content like this they can get content in for free, the same way that scammers self-select for dumb marks by making their appeals suitably stupid, because they don't want to get people clever enough to see through their scheme at a later point. As a business model, it isn't the worst I've seen but that's because it's a patreon milking scheme, not a gamedev one.

Oh and their behaviour is also an indicator of how they're defensive about being shit, because people who were actually confident in their product and process don't flip out when challenged like that, haha.

 

[mrttao]

Again, they simply aren't professionals in any way whatsoever and have no incentive to improve. On the contrary, they self-select yes-men and morons because they benefit from it and because of the small pool of games with content like this they can get content in for free, the same way that scammers self-select for dumb marks by making their appeals suitably stupid, because they don't want to get people clever enough to see through their scheme at a later point. As a business model, it isn't the worst I've seen but that's because it's a patreon milking scheme, not a gamedev one.

Oh and their behaviour is also an indicator of how they're defensive about being shit, because people who were actually confident in their product and process don't flip out when challenged like that, haha.

Reminds me of this

Random guy called hired gun (which hirrud name comes from) called savin a cuck in mutiple occasions due to cait and savin made a character after him which you can cuck him by getting his 3 wives.

You can cuck Hirrud 3 times because Hired Gun called savin a cuck.

what an elaborate revenge fantasy

 

[The the Guy]

Kinu had her appeals and a good design and look at how that ended up because she was a spite project at her core. Even if they had kept him as a guy, I guarantee you they would have ruined it for you in the end.

Kinu was a spite project? Can i get the story behind this?

 

[Basty96]

Kinu was a spite project? Can i get the story behind this?

long story short:
people asked Savin to finish the Helspawn incest content he promised in CoC1 and in turn got pissed people asked him to finish content he started. ToBS got wind of it and started in on bullying them which in turn led to Kinu being made to spite all the people who asked for the Helspawn content to be finished. The Spite is also pretty much: "you're a loving father to your daughter so you want to groom and fuck her"

 

[The the Guy]

Did they ever explain why you’re out there saving the world while he’s wasting his time defending highwaymen?

This has always been my question why is it that it feels like the player character is the only person doing anything when there are literal gods in the world. Ok maybe the gods see demon lady as just an annoyance so they don't personally get involved but it still doesn't make sense that they aren't sending people to stomp out her forces. There should basically be a crusade going on.

 

[The the Guy]

long story short:
people asked Savin to finish the Helspawn incest content he promised in CoC1 and in turn got pissed people asked him to finish content he started. ToBS got wind of it and started in on bullying them which in turn led to Kinu being made to spite all the people who asked for the Helspawn content to be finished. The Spite is also pretty much: "you're a loving father to your daughter so you want to groom and fuck her"

Oh I just beat coc xianxia and it bothered me that there was an option to start incest with her but other then kissing didn't seem to have any actual incest. Now I've been getting back into coc 2 and tits and I'm confused why tits has a little bit of incest but coc2 seems to not have any.

 

[Malcowitz]

Listen brethren, if you didn't think the scene in COC where you can get a reverse train run on you by your horny goblin daughters is one of the hottest ever I don't know why you're on these degenerate forums

 

[mrttao]

Oh I just beat coc xianxia and it bothered me that there was an option to start incest with her but other then kissing didn't seem to have any actual incest. Now I've been getting back into coc 2 and tits and I'm confused why tits has a little bit of incest but coc2 seems to not have any.

what bothers me about coc xianxia is that they half ass the xianxia.
its regular coc + xianxia on the side. there is 1 xianxia town. Xianxia is a foreign magic system transplanted into this world via an entire town getting isekaied into it, and it is an inferior force to the local magical system.

I wanted a total conversion

 

[mrttao]

long story short:
people asked Savin to finish the Helspawn incest content he promised in CoC1 and in turn got pissed people asked him to finish content he started. ToBS got wind of it and started in on bullying them which in turn led to Kinu being made to spite all the people who asked for the Helspawn content to be finished. The Spite is also pretty much: "you're a loving father to your daughter so you want to groom and fuck her"

You forgot to mention what is wrong with kinu.

It is an explicit spite project

"Once out, she'll have grown into a young woman of about 18, enough to tease all the Helspawn incest demanders and yet be kept out of their reach forever."

From the Child Kinu design document.

The kitsune are racial supremacists and general assholes, except kinu's mother kiyoko which at first appears to be a sweetie.
You develop romance with her, knock her up... and then she gives birth...

suddenly timeywimey happens and it is has been 19 years later. your daughter is now 19 years old. You missed her entire childhood.
Both her and her mother suddenly ascribe to kitsune assholish ways and view you as an inferior being. And are total cunts to you.
Kinu specifically hates you. and there are hints that kiyoko was an abusive mother.

Also, there is now an arranged marriage, and don't you dare try to intervene this is their superior kitsune ways.
You will also lose control over the MC to go through some emasculating scenes where you are blamed for things you didn't do and then take it and act like a little bitch.

she marries tob's SI who is an edgy fucker who talks down to you as you are a lesser species... or if you rock the boat enough some hick that is related to the first one.
tobs spend lots of money commissioning a fuckton of art featuring his SI railing kinu. Also made it his profile pic.

and it is chock full of flashbacks which are just garbage.
The entire thing is one big badly written spite project.

 

[FluffyDaemon]

I am dog meat lover myself.
See June, Liulfr, Berwyn and when I am really fucking desperate, Garths son.

Speaking of Liulfr, god damnit Birds, come back!

Any recommendations? For my male intake I am just going through Otome games these days.

Well, I wrote a whole list with recommendations and some screenshots yesterday.
But it got deleted for being offtopic.

 

[Raf-Raf]

except kinu's mother kiyoko which was a sweetie.

I would've been fine with everything until this part.
Believe me, she's a great gaslighter.

 

[mrttao]

I would've been fine with everything until this part.
Believe me, she's a great gaslighter.

I think it is less gaslighting and more her being rewritten by different authors with malicious intent
its like a whole different character

read ahead though. i clarify that she shows different character later.
I went ahead and edited that line to make it clear it is only first appearance of being a sweetie.

 

[Raf-Raf]

I think it is less gaslighting and more her being rewritten by different authors with malicious intent
its like a whole different character

Guess it's time to keep older builds now.

 

[mrttao]

Guess it's time to keep older builds now.

now you have got me doubting myself... maybe I am misremembering.

can someone else chime in on this. how was kiyoko initially?

 

[Raf-Raf]

now you have got me doubting myself... maybe I am misremembering.

can someone else chime in on this. how was kiyoko initially?

Still a gaslighter but I dunno if they added more.

 

[NODOGAN]

I remember Kiyoko as a sweetie as well, also I pretty much abbandon Kinu after they out of the orb and only talk to Kiyoko about fucking more babies into her and/or taking her as a party-member so I never noticed any assholery from her?

I pretty much just go to Kitsunes, kick their asses to complete Evergreen quest, refuse to elaborate further, get Kiyoko free and only visit treehouse to fuck/buy stuff from Kohaku, makes it somewhat enjoyable IMO.

 

[The the Guy]

what bothers me about coc xianxia is that they half ass the xianxia.
its regular coc + xianxia on the side. there is 1 xianxia town. Xianxia is a foreign magic system transplanted into this world via an entire town getting isekaied into it, and it is an inferior force to the local magical system.

I wanted a total conversion

Yeah that bothered me about the xianxia mod but it seems the modders are planning to add more so thats nice

You forgot to mention what is wrong with kinu.

It is an explicit spite project


The kitsune are racial supremacists and general assholes, except kinu's mother kiyoko which at first appears to be a sweetie.
You develop romance with her, knock her up... and then she gives birth...

suddenly timeywimey happens and it is has been 19 years later. your daughter is now 19 years old. You missed her entire childhood.
Both her and her mother suddenly ascribe to kitsune assholish ways and view you as an inferior being. And are total cunts to you.
Kinu specifically hates you. and there are hints that kiyoko was an abusive mother.

Also, there is now an arranged marriage, and don't you dare try to intervene this is their superior kitsune ways.
You will also lose control over the MC to go through some emasculating scenes where you are blamed for things you didn't do and then take it and act like a little bitch.

she marries tob's SI who is an edgy fucker who talks down to you as you are a lesser species... or if you rock the boat enough some hick that is related to the first one.
tobs spend lots of money commissioning a fuckton of art featuring his SI railing kinu. Also made it his profile pic.

and it is chock full of flashbacks which are just garbage.
The entire thing is one big badly written spite project.

All the stuff with kinu and kiyoko bothered me a lot I'm ok with not doing incest with kinu but it would've been cool to be an actual parent and have an actual relationship with a love interest. Also the whole "you're not a kitsune you don't get a say in the arranged marriage" is even more annoying. The only kitsune a like now is rindo.

 

[KloneZone]

You forgot to mention what is wrong with kinu.

It is an explicit spite project


The kitsune are racial supremacists and general assholes, except kinu's mother kiyoko which at first appears to be a sweetie.
You develop romance with her, knock her up... and then she gives birth...

suddenly timeywimey happens and it is has been 19 years later. your daughter is now 19 years old. You missed her entire childhood.
Both her and her mother suddenly ascribe to kitsune assholish ways and view you as an inferior being. And are total cunts to you.
Kinu specifically hates you. and there are hints that kiyoko was an abusive mother.

Also, there is now an arranged marriage, and don't you dare try to intervene this is their superior kitsune ways.
You will also lose control over the MC to go through some emasculating scenes where you are blamed for things you didn't do and then take it and act like a little bitch.

she marries tob's SI who is an edgy fucker who talks down to you as you are a lesser species... or if you rock the boat enough some hick that is related to the first one.
tobs spend lots of money commissioning a fuckton of art featuring his SI railing kinu. Also made it his profile pic.

and it is chock full of flashbacks which are just garbage.
The entire thing is one big badly written spite project.

This is like a bash fic but even worse because they're getting paid for this.