Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Daken9]

See, I don't get this. To me, it seems like you're defaulting anyone who doesn't explicitly say otherwise to instantly monogamous and being disappointed when they aren't.

No one operates under the assumption that the fantasy porn game will third-wheel them at every chance unless told otherwise.

Also: Aileh, Atani, Brienne, Cassia, Cat Harem, Clementhine, Elthara, Eubicha, Gwyneth, Hellhound, Hreatha, Infrith, Livrea, Kiyoko, Ragnild, Rina, Rindo, Serena, Shar, Valencia, Vari, Vatia, Zo.

And that's without counting the more casual ones like Kohaku, Vatia, Hethia ecc, or the bluerrier ones like subArona, Zhara, Kurako, every KM cow, and all them others.

So yeah, Kiyoko and Brienne aren't the exceptions, and it's not really rare at all for people to be solely into PC when we're talking relationships deeper than random encounters (hence every pregnancy character being in that first list). Because that's what people are into. As opposed to getting fucked on by your own companions because "cashaul shex makesh shenshe in-univershe" (but more like writers make a mess of their characters because reasons).

 

[confusedcommoner]

Hi folks, just wondering how to start the new Mai content (what has to be done to trigger event)
*Also I saw the code to put in if you'd already done Miko's preg event
"P.S. If you’ve already done Miko’s path but want to see Mai’s without starting a whole new save, you can hit F12 and slam this into the console:
*Will this work on the OFFLINE PC DL?

No but you can work around it. Open CoC II.exe from your offline PC DL, load the save you want to use, then Save it To File (buttons on the right side of the save/load menu). Navigate to coc 2\resources\app and open or drag the index.html on a browser. Load your save using To File, and then use F12, or right click on the webpage and select Inspect, then navigate to the Console tab. Enter your commands, save your game To File. Now you can load the save elsewhere if you want

See, I don't get this. To me, it seems like you're defaulting anyone who doesn't explicitly say otherwise to instantly monogamous and being disappointed when they aren't.
Imo, it's easier and makes more sense in the setting that's been established to assume everyone is down for casual sex with different partners as the default and not the other way around.

I don't think it's fair to make that assumption when the first person you meet has a giant disclaimer about sleeping around because Savin knows the average player expects monogamy. If it were as common as you're suggesting in-universe, or in real life, then Cait's lengthy speech just comes off as weird. That's one thing Cait actually does well, no waifubaiting into a blindside hit. Azzy, Atugia, etc. waifubait, and then randomly sleep around with no forewarning or player input. In the case of things like Atugia+Brint there's player input, but it feels strongly out of place with the rest of Atugia's content. Etheryn is another weird case, where "high libido" unintuitively means she's more poly, and sometimes they're lazy with the variables so "high libido" content crosses over into all forms of Etheryn.

I just avoid characters like Azzy+Liaden but I get why people get upset about it. It's time that could've been spent on the original audience/theme of the character and PC instead of incongruous content. It's another lost opportunity for player agency, and people can get attached to characters pre-poly content and then have it thrust upon them months later in an update.

If you aren't into that, you can avoid it and you lose literally nothing. Just consider it non canon for your playthrough or something

I cover it above but to summarize: it's discordant with the original premise of the character, can take away development time on the expected content for the character, can come out of nowhere months later, is often unavoidable or easy to stumble into, and for some it affects their perception of who the character is. Many wouldn't care if the content existed but was attached to specific characters from the start.

 

[Gar1]

No one operates under the assumption that the fantasy porn game will third-wheel them at every chance unless told otherwise.

Also: Aileh, Atani, Brienne, Cassia, Cat Harem, Clementhine, Elthara, Eubicha, Gwyneth, Hellhound, Hreatha, Infrith, Livrea, Kiyoko, Ragnild, Rina, Rindo, Serena, Shar, Valencia, Vari, Vatia, Zo.

I don't post very often cause I haven't played the game in months, and I don't know much about most Khor'Minos characters, but
"Aileh, Cat Harem, Elthara, Eubicha, Gwyneth, Hellhound, Livrea, Vari, Vatia"
"solely into PC, no casual sex"
Maybe that would have been accurate when each of them was added to the game, but bruh, either we have wildly differing views on what solely into the PC means or you need to brush up on those characters current and upcoming content.

 

[Wrynn13]

I'm pretty sure the Azzy Lia thing was fixed so you can tell her to not do it now and she agrees, at least that was stated but I haven't seen it cause I don't care when my girls are sexing each other up as to me that's part of being in a harem *shrug*

 

[confusedcommoner]

I'm pretty sure the Azzy Lia thing was fixed so you can tell her to not do it now and she agrees, at least that was stated but I haven't seen it cause I don't care when my girls are sexing each other up as to me that's part of being in a harem *shrug*

True, it was annoying and people complained, so Savin got SKoW to change it. You can help them hook up, say "not right now," or say "never." Azzy will remain polyamorous regardless, but at least you can opt out of Azzy+Liaden content now.

 

[Saline55]

No one operates under the assumption that the fantasy porn game will third-wheel them at every chance unless told otherwise.

Also: Aileh, Atani, Brienne, Cassia, Cat Harem, Clementhine, Elthara, Eubicha, Gwyneth, Hellhound, Hreatha, Infrith, Livrea, Kiyoko, Ragnild, Rina, Rindo, Serena, Shar, Valencia, Vari, Vatia, Zo.

And that's without counting the more casual ones like Kohaku, Vatia, Hethia ecc, or the bluerrier ones like subArona, Zhara, Kurako, every KM cow, and all them others.

So yeah, Kiyoko and Brienne aren't the exceptions, and it's not really rare at all for people to be solely into PC when we're talking relationships deeper than random encounters (hence every pregnancy character being in that first list). Because that's what people are into. As opposed to getting fucked on by your own companions because "cashaul shex makesh shenshe in-univershe" (but more like writers make a mess of their characters because reasons).

Casual sex makes sense in universe. Yes. Man children I swear. Acting as if they have got monopoly on good writing.

 

[Basty96]

Harem animes really got some dudes brains rotten. They act like jealous manbabies even when drowning in pussy. Calling characters lesbos when they arent sucking their dicks 24/7. whack as shit lol

aight Savin go back to your Discord the problem is that that shit comes out of the left field when you least expect it

 

[Basty96]

Casual sex makes sense in universe. Yes. Man children I swear. Acting as if they have got monopoly on good writing.

good writing? what good writing? the only good stuff comes from WSan and two or three others

 

[Raf-Raf]

Saline, Savin.
IT sounds similar.

 

[Goblina Lover]

good writing

i have yet to see a porn game with genuine good writing.
This game is and has always been glorified fetish fanfic.

 

[Fiz1247]

Harem animes really got some dudes brains rotten. They act like jealous manbabies even when drowning in pussy. Calling characters lesbos when they arent sucking their dicks 24/7. whack as shit lol

Casual sex makes sense in universe. Yes. Man children I swear. Acting as if they have got monopoly on good writing.

I know right? What a bunch of incels and misanthropes for not letting their wife to fuck other people. You were right all along Savin.

 

[Skandranon]

No one operates under the assumption that the fantasy porn game will third-wheel them at every chance unless told otherwise.

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.

Also: Aileh, Atani, Brienne, Cassia, Cat Harem, Clementhine, Elthara, Eubicha, Gwyneth, Hellhound, Hreatha, Infrith, Livrea, Kiyoko, Ragnild, Rina, Rindo, Serena, Shar, Valencia, Vari, Vatia, Zo.

Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.

Because that's what people are into.

People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.

I cover it above but to summarize: it's discordant with the original premise of the character, can take away development time on the expected content for the character, can come out of nowhere months later, is often unavoidable or easy to stumble into, and for some it affects their perception of who the character is. Many wouldn't care if the content existed but was attached to specific characters from the start.

The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

I do not see why "In universe" CoC2, the world of Savarra, is hyper-sexualized. It's a setting that got nuked back to the bronze age and is meant to be more grounded that CoC and TiTS.

Compare to CoC, where the sexualization makes sense because it's a world AFTER the corruption, where Tel-adre is the closest place to normality and even they've been twisted by the demon's influence to the point that everyone has a super charged libido. You also start that game with an imp giving you a rude awakening, making it clear what you're in for in this world.

Then compare to TiTS, where it's a completely insane, hedonistic universe where technology has allowed body-modding to become a pastime. It doesn't care about if it makes sense to us, because it's a premise you're asked to accept at the outset that this universe is a slutty one. It starts you off with your dad's sexual exploits and makes it clear in the dialogue that everyone is up for sex and designer babies are the norm.

Then we get CoC2, which starts you with a generic DnD style tavern, a cat girl begs for aide and you go out to fight cultists. It's not sexualized, you're fighting people with the intent to kill and they're doing the same. You beat (or lose, it actually doesn't matter) the cult leader and suddenly a demon appears and then everyone is slutty. Prior to Kas the world was not meant to be corrupted, it was a collection of dying feudal and imperial nations trying to cling on, that doesn't scream hyper-sexualization. Lore was written AFTER that point that makes the world sex-obsessed, but it wasn't there at the start (save for Cait, who I've not had a problem with her being a slut, I have other problems with her but she's honest that she's a temple harlot and that is a thing from history. But I don't think we can say all of Babylon was obsessed with sex just because they had religious prostitutes.) Hells, you have scenes in the Wayfort where people make note of how sexual the place is if you keep the Hornet Queen's stocks, which makes it seem that overly sexual things are not the norm.

TLDR: CoC and TiTS are consistent in their tone and sexualization. They are porn games, and their worlds were built porn forward.
CoC2 starts dry and then rams in the demon dicks, then afterwards pretends they were always there. It's not consistent and it's hard to know what is normal, what is corrupted, and where the hell we're going with it.
I'm also all up for some polyamory, but given there's no consistency between characters, it's hard to know what I'm investing in when it comes to their content. As all these characters are really their own separate bubbles of content, it's jarring to go from a scene with someone who was explicitly a monogamous character, to one where they're open to all comers. That doesn't feel like open relationships, that feels like cheating.

 

[MoneyMan181]

See, I don't get this. To me, it seems like you're defaulting anyone who doesn't explicitly say otherwise to instantly monogamous and being disappointed when they aren't.

Atugia isn't really super into you. She's not your girlfriend, as far as I know she never says she loves you, you and her don't really establish as of yet any deeper connection than having sex and being friendly with each other...and everyone else in your party meets those same qualifications.

Azzy's entire introduction establishes that she's part of a hive, and she feels cut off when she's not around large amounts of people. The whole reason she latches onto you in the first place is because she's desperate for any kind of companionship since she can't be near everyone in her hive.

Imo, it's easier and makes more sense in the setting that''s been established to assume everyone is down for casual sex with different partners as the default and not the other way around. The people who aren't generally explicitly say so, like Brienne and Kiyoko.

Why would you not assume people are monogamous? That is the norm.

Atugia does say she loves you. It's during sex, but she still says it. It's in her fishnets scene, just scroll down to the bottom. It doesn't matter that she's not explicitly your girlfriend, the writer lets you kiss her and be all sappy with her, including dancing with her twice in the festivus event. But yeah sure, totally not super into the PC when she gives her virginity to you on top of all that.

For azzy, I have no idea what feeling cut off when you're not around a lot of people has to do with being polyamorous. Companionship makes sense sure, but the line of reasoning for polyamory ain't great.

People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.

You say that yet the farthest this game goes is horse cocks and NTR. Seriously, the fetishes in this game are extremely fucking tame, dude. To the point where if you took away the dicks on the chicks, I would question how on earth this is a fetish game. What is the "few" that this game is catering to? Regardless, it seems like catering to the majority is what they should do considering Kiyoko and Brienne are the most popular characters in the game.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

Seriously, the fetishes in this game are extremely fucking tame, dude. To the point where if you took away the dicks on the chicks, I would question how on earth this is a fetish game. What is the "few" that this game is catering to? Regardless, it seems like catering to the majority is what they should do considering Kiyoko and Brienne are the most popular characters in the game.

100% agree. Saving Gwyn and the other scattering of Lupines (and that one random squirrel girl merc) the game can't even be considered a furry game, they're all animal ear girls. The fetishes are breeding, three scenes of oviposition, lactation, horse cock and...
Oh shit, there's that random and entirely inconsequential horse tribe too... so that's two kinds of generic furry. They were just so unimportant to the world I completely forget about their existence.
Joking aside about Atani and her people's irrelevance, I don't think there is any real fetish content save those small outliers, it's mostly vanilla, dick+hole with girls who have accessories.

Edit: Thinking more about Atani, seeing as you also get the out of place random slimes there and the gnolls, it's almost like everything south of the river belongs more in old CoC than CoC2.

 

[Skandranon]

Why would you not assume people are monogamous? That is the norm.

In real life. Not necessarily in the setting of the game.

Atugia does say she loves you. It's during sex, but she still says it. It's in her fishnets scene, just scroll down to the bottom. It doesn't matter that she's not explicitly your girlfriend, the writer lets you kiss her and be all sappy with her, including dancing with her twice in the festivus event. But yeah sure, totally not super into the PC when she gives her virginity to you on top of all that.

Honestly I still haven't read that fishnets scene (and honestly, as you kinda noted, I love yous during sex tend to not hold the same weight). But I will say that fishnets scene was added way after she released. Your objection seems to be comparing how the character comes off at the beginning vs how she acts later. Heck, I'm pretty sure the Arona scene was added before the Festivus event, not to mention it would be pretty easy to run into the Arona scene first, considering it triggers as soon as you have the two them together.

Regardless, even ignoring the question of the degree of exactly how much Atugia likes you, its still a jump from that to monogamy. Assuming that anyone who shows interest in you is interest in you exclusively is just that - an assumption.

For azzy, I have no idea what feeling cut off when you're not around a lot of people has to do with being polyamorous. Companionship makes sense sure, but the line of reasoning for polyamory ain't great.

All the relationships she's ever known and/or been a part of have been with a group of people. Why would this be any different? Heck, as soon as you rescue the hive she's immediately down for a threesome with the queen or a big orgy that involves everyone.

You say that yet the farthest this game goes is horse cocks and NTR. Seriously, the fetishes in this game are extremely fucking tame, dude. To the point where if you took away the dicks on the chicks, I would question how on earth this is a fetish game. What is the "few" that this game is catering to?

I think we've all gotten very accustomed to the stuff in this game.

The furries, the hyper-sized sexual attributes, the common dom/sub play, cumflation, lactation, egging, transformation stuff, the horse/dog/whatever cocks, as well as the futas are just an example. Might seem to tame at this point, but most of those things (and this isn't an exhaustive list) aren't stuff the majority of people are into.

Not to mention the fact that its a text game in the first place already cuts off the majority. This game is aimed directly at a niche audience.

Regardless, it seems like catering to the majority is what they should do considering Kiyoko and Brienne are the most popular characters in the game.

Well, we're going to have to very strongly disagree on this one. Catering exclusively to popularity generally makes for extremely derivative and safe content.

 

[undyingrevenant]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.



Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.



People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.




The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

The problem is not characters having the same freedom your character has, it's how the characters are written. Azyrran for example, when the liaden plot first came up, she shows she wants her own harem basically. Which is fine. To raise a fit would make the mc abusive or hypocritical. However, particularly as a male PC she refuses participation in anything, (liaden is lesbian so its understandable but it comes off as weird when females can and azyrran has a bug dong) and constantly praises liaden while mentioning stuff like "yeah but you're ok too", it doesn't come across as polygamy, it comes across as following beats from a ntr game. She meets you, is really into you, but then she sees a rando that she becomes completely and totally infatuated by. Particularly egregious during the dawnsword quest with her in the party and if you get the sword instead, it doesn't feel right, it's written as if your characters just a straight third wheel, she's not written as caring for your both equally in the plot.

Atugia is written as a 9000 year old virgin straight outta twilight that falls for your character but then is open to being pounded by brint or arona. Its ooc. It's optional, yes, but a extreme example is why cait doesn't have a "you're going to be monogamous to me or I'll shank you" optional choice. It'd be ooc for her and the mc and comparitively a waste of writing time. Each character is not the same which is why them banging everyone (or not) doesn't make sense.

Them catering to the few is also blatantly against their design, they explicitly focus on polls or whatever their writers want. There's quite a few vocal people that want quality male characters to match up to the great female characters, but they don't. The vast majority want futa, or female, which is what the vast majority of content is, and what they have been vocal is their priority.

Early access is also not a shield, if people have paid a great deal of money, or purchased the game, or even just invested a great amount of time into it, and suddenly content takes a sudden sharp turn, they're entitled to voice their opinions or discontent without being labeled as trolls or some other such moniker. Them overhauling the combat system is a common thing, the gameplay elements are still there. Removal of party members less so. Again, an extreme example would be something like turning the entire combat system into match 3. The game is in development but you do expect constants, and if you do make a change like that you should expect people to think it's dumb and not be upset people aren't suddenly fanatics for match 3.

Reminder that the Berwyn removal was announced the day of the patch, for months they talked about him getting a new writer taking him over and adding new content. If they'dve been blunt about them making him a npc but still being in the game and having quite a bit of content they could have softened the blow a giant deal. It was the execution of the thing, same with quite a few characters in the game. Many have passionate fans regardless of their content but the execution can be questionable. It's generally whatever the writers want or feel like at the time, not what the characters themselves would do. Frodo goes to Mordor he doesn't flee and marry boromir.

 

[Biostar]

The problem is that this is a game in dev, not some ongoing live service game. By defi ition stuff is incomplete. Getting attached to things and then being upset when they change seems counter intuitive; its baked into the concept.

So we should never get invested into anything and just accept every change no matter what.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

So we should never get invested into anything and just accept every change no matter what.

And unless they intend to go back through afterwards and do large re-writes to make the world more consistent, adding more material on top of a flawed foundation won't fix matters. That's what they claim caused CoC to fail.
Seeing as they constantly say various characters are "feature complete" it doesn't sound like they intend to go back through and neaten up old material.

 

[Daken9]

The assumption that makes sense is that NPCs do the same thing you're doing. Your character fucks anything with a pulse, so why shouldn't anyone else?

You might not like it from a meta standpoint, but saying it makes the characters look schizophrenic just seems off. Their characterization (at least that part of it) is consistent.

Because i'm not an android, and i don't expect fictional characters whose sole purpose in life is to tickle a real person's balls to go off and fuck some other fictional character because their writer decided this power fantasy-esque porn game needed a syringe of real life disappointment.

Some else mentioned this....but a chunk of those characters aren't monogamous at all. And its not like I was naming all the mono characters in the game, it was just an example.

Most of those characters are, and what some of them have is the option for cut and dry player-centric threesomes - no strings attached. Didn't list Jae'lyn and Daliza for a reason. It also wasn't just an example, you were saying Kiyoko and Brienne are the exceptions. They aren't.

People are into literally everything. The whole point of a fetish game is to cater to the few, not the majority. If this game solely catered to what most people were into, it'd be a very different game.

So, do it like Fleep is doing and make characters for the NTR and freelove kumbaya crowd, rather than saddling pre-existing ones with all those minority-within-a-minority kinks and in so doing taking them away from the people who were already enjoying them. Like i already said they could be doing.

Which, by the way, is what i'm pretty sure you yourself said they should be doing with genderbent characters. But i guess one's popular and the other is not, so by the law of the contrarian Brint->Brienne nay but Azzy->get cucked yay?