Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Thisguy2]

I see that you're a truly cultured person too.

Whats the name? i wanna be cultured too.

 

[Thisguy2]

Oh god damn it, did Calla get absorbed/fused into the Player Character with the portal shenanigans, making our soul interesting by Calla proxy? Thanks for making me question that possibility now, but I don't wanna make that bet.

Turns out. Calla was inside us all along.

 

[undyingrevenant]

Whats the name? i wanna be cultured too.

Sucker for love: first date on steam? Think there's various others though, saya no uta is probably the more "serious" ver

 

[muschi26]

Oh god damn it, did Calla get absorbed/fused into the Player Character with the portal shenanigans, making our soul interesting by Calla proxy? Thanks for making me question that possibility now, but I don't wanna make that bet.

Maybe that's why everyone is interested in your soul: since it's fused with Calla's, it's not only more complex, but also more powerful than the average soul, which makes it more desirable.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Also, the barbarian comment doesn't work considering the kitsune are invading the land and raping people who don't agree to their terms.

While the rest of your comment is fair this isn't really how it works, no one thinks they themselves are the barbarians.

 

[Bloep]

While the rest of your comment is fair this isn't really how it works, no one thinks they themselves are the barbarians.

Agreed. The romans call the gauls barbarians while committing genocide. Xenophobia and chauvinism are extremely rarely, if ever at all, logical and consistent.

 

[Futa_Buddy]

My two cents: I feel like these writers (Tobs, Savin, etc.) don't have any real meaningful goals or intentions with what they write. I think they just write whatever they feel like writing at the time, good/bad or relevant/irrelevant, it doesn't matter to them.

Here's my idea of how it goes; one of the writers writes something that they feel like writing at the moment, they pass it to Savin who approves it because it's content and it's one less thing that he has to do, then they publish it and write a bullshit blogpost 'explaining' (kind of but not really) why they did what they did and rinse and repeat (onto the next thing).

I don't think there is any grand goal or plan in mind with their writing and content releases, I think they're just making it up as they go along. This is the only logical explanation for the inconsistent writing and scatterbrained content releases for this game (imo)...

 

[Heremus]

Maybe that's why everyone is interested in your soul: since it's fused with Calla's, it's not only more complex, but also more powerful than the average soul, which makes it more desirable.

Well, the reason I'm annoyed by it is the potential of Calla being the reason behind the main character power-up we receive throughout the game and imagining all that build-up on the Kasyrra romance route, who's gonna get screwed over in the end?
More I look into this stuff, the more I want to dive back into writing my own series of stories (Not anything related to Fenoxo), just to fill in the hole called "Potential".

 

[Tau_Iota]

While the rest of your comment is fair this isn't really how it works, no one thinks they themselves are the barbarians.

False, this man realizes that he may be the baddie.



In case it wasn't obvious, :sarcasm:

 

[ScholarOfTheFirstSin]

I don't think there is any grand goal or plan in mind with their writing and content releases, I think they're just making it up as they go along. This is the only logical explanation for the inconsistent writing and scatterbrained content releases for this game (imo)...

Savin and his boyfriends:

 

[undyingrevenant]

Imo I don't particularly care about the morals of the thing as long as they're well done. If they're some variant of evil but treat you right, that's something that can build attachment. The "I can fix them" thing. Countless characters and love interests have done that. Kas does that, even though she doesn't really do much "evil". Primary issue with the kitsune is that's how they seem to think it's being done, when at best it's not a bad boy/girl that loves the pc/"you", the type that blocks attacks for you and says "hands off my man/girl". You can make seriously vile characters relatable or attachable with the right amount of love. But it comes off far more like a blatantly abusive Harley Quinn/joker type deal where they'll toss a "I miss you" but then the "your opinion doesn't matter". She acts one way when you're alone and one way around other people, but it's not a mask and she doesn't say "I'm sorry I had to say that, you're bae forever I just didn't want him to feel bad or kill him outright", she just says it factually and your chars supposed to take it.

You take on their den, nobody cares, you save her from eternal isolation after she's been alone for who knows how long, she pops out, doesn't care, you're her ho and should be thankful for that, and if people trash talk you, well that's rude, but of course, true. She acts too perfect for someone that went through all that. Compare to brienne you get cake for and take care of and then is loyal af and doesn't take anyone talking shit.

 

[Heremus]

You take on their den, nobody cares, you save her from eternal isolation after she's been alone for who knows how long, she pops out, doesn't care, you're her ho and should be thankful for that, and if people trash talk you, well that's rude, but of course, true. She acts too perfect for someone that went through all that. Compare to brienne you get cake for and take care of and then is loyal af and doesn't take anyone talking shit.

Is there even any instance of her talking behind their backs, or is her devotion to Keros just that overshadowing on the relationship?
"I'm sorry I had to say that, you're bae forever I just didn't want him to feel bad or kill him outright", I don't feel like anything of this level has been said. "Champsexual", but not "Champship", or some stupid joke I was trying to think of.

 

[undyingrevenant]

Is there even any instance of her talking behind their backs, or is her devotion to Keros just that overshadowing on the relationship?
"I'm sorry I had to say that, you're bae forever I just didn't want him to feel bad or kill him outright", I don't feel like anything of this level has been said. "Champsexual", but not "Champship", or some stupid joke I was trying to think of.

I was just kinda over exaggerating. Keros is one thing, when for all intents and purposes your god is standing in front of you and even though the PC was the one who brought the pieces together, keros saved her and her kids, so respect there story wise and all is reasonable. It's just to everyone else. Every, or every other dialogue has stuff like has been mentioned in a few posts, her inviting you to stuff out of obligation instead of wanting you to be there, the way shes talking to nakano if you take her with you after hearing about princess kinus engagement to him, a bunch of small stuff that adds up, and she never apologizes or considers your characters feelings.

She's either written as mentally abusive or as bipolar, not sure what's worse, because in scenes in the orb she's pretty nice. In novellas tobs wrote apparently she borderline or literally abuses kinu during parenting, and occasionally during the actual game. While alone out of the orb she seems loving and goes through all the effort to make a mammoth box of food multiple times. When you're at the den she acts like someone putting on a "business face" but it's never explicitly referred to as putting on a face, and the stuff about not caring whether you join her or not is away from subordinates so it doesn't appear to be about showing strength or anything. For a character that's supposed to be part of a loving family sim with a possibility of becoming a kitsune for them and living happily ever after, it comes across, IMHO as a worse twilight. The love interest has less good qualities and the family has minimal bro or sismance or cool doctor in laws.

 

[Jötunn123]

Anyone have detail about what Quin's new additions are... I don't know if i want to bother seeing the content.

 

[MoneyMan181]

She's either written as mentally abusive or as bipolar, not sure what's worse, because in scenes in the orb she's pretty nice. In novellas tobs wrote apparently she borderline or literally abuses kinu during parenting, and occasionally during the actual game. While alone out of the orb she seems loving and goes through all the effort to make a mammoth box of food multiple times. When you're at the den she acts like someone putting on a "business face" but it's never explicitly referred to as putting on a face, and the stuff about not caring whether you join her or not is away from subordinates so it doesn't appear to be about showing strength or anything. For a character that's supposed to be part of a loving family sim with a possibility of becoming a kitsune for them and living happily ever after, it comes across, IMHO as a worse twilight. The love interest has less good qualities and the family has minimal bro or sismance or cool doctor in laws.

I think the main takeaway here should be: Don't inject your trash tier soap opera bullshit into a game where you get dicked by horse cocks on the regular. Because even if this shit was done well, it still wouldn't fit well into the game at all. Kitsune content is just a completely different game that TOBS is allowed to write for whatever reason. None of this shit even wraps back around to completing an area like the orc camp, the hornet hive, or even the mare village. It's all just there because... why the fuck not. You show a person a kitsune content scene and a main story scene, they would think they're completely different games, written by completely different people, for completely different reasons.

Anyone have detail about what Quin's new additions are... I don't know if i want to bother seeing the content.

From what I remember it's just him talking about how much he wants to fuck the female companions some more. The writer is not going to do anything interesting with the character, I advise you just act like Quin doesn't exist.

 

[mrttao]

I think the main takeaway here should be: Don't inject your trash tier soap opera bullshit into a game where you get dicked by horse cocks on the regular. Because even if this shit was done well, it still wouldn't fit well into the game at all. Kitsune content is just a completely different game that TOBS is allowed to write for whatever reason. None of this shit even wraps back around to completing an area like the orc camp, the hornet hive, or even the mare village. It's all just there because... why the fuck not. You show a person a kitsune content scene and a main story scene, they would think they're completely different games, written by completely different people, for completely different reasons.

You are assuming this is an accident. It isn't.

Tobs did it on purpose, it was a retaliation to people complaining that he is too slow to deliver the father-daughter incest with the kitsune daughter that he promised. As well as some drama with other games related to helspawn.

Tobs "retaliated" by making your kitsune wife do a 180 after being released, becoming incredibly toxic to act as an excuse to emasculate you the player and kick you out of the life of your kitsune daughter.
While "cucking" you (he was assuming everyone wanted to fuck their kitsune daughter) via the arranged marriage narrative. Telling you to stay out of it as only real people (kitsune) have a say on the matter, and being railroaded to just agree to it in character despite what you actually wanted.

He then spent a bunch of IRL money to commission a bunch of artists to draw porn of the kitsune daughter being railed by her arranged marriage. All in an attempt to "get back" at some people he argued with in the forums once.

 

[Basty96]

Tobs did it on purpose, it was a retaliation to people complaining that he is too slow to deliver the father-daughter incest with the kitsune daughter that he promised

That is not true he never promised anything of that kind. Kinu was always a retaliation against the people that asked Savin to finish his Helspawn incest content that he promised

 

[MoneyMan181]

You are assuming this is an accident. It isn't.

Tobs did it on purpose, it was a retaliation to people complaining that he is too slow to deliver the father-daughter incest with the kitsune daughter that he promised. As well as some drama with other games related to helspawn.

Tobs "retaliated" by making your kitsune wife do a 180 after being released, becoming incredibly toxic to act as an excuse to emasculate you the player and kick you out of the life of your kitsune daughter.
While "cucking" you (he was assuming everyone wanted to fuck their kitsune daughter) via the arranged marriage narrative. Telling you to stay out of it as only real people (kitsune) have a say on the matter, and being railroaded to just agree to it in character despite what you actually wanted.

He then spent a bunch of IRL money to commission a bunch of artists to draw porn of the kitsune daughter being railed by her arranged marriage. All in an attempt to "get back" at some people he argued with in the forums once.

Whether he does it on purpose or not, I don't really care. My point is that Savin lets this charade go on because he's a wonderful guy that can't say no to TOBS and probably agrees with him because of the dumbass fiasco with Helspawn. I'm mostly saying what I'm saying to get it off my chest and evaluate the game as a product, regardless of dev intentions. It's legitimately bad content(something I am usually very hesitant to say) and I think it makes the product much uglier when looked at as a whole. It's a shame because some of the ideas presented are nice. Watching your daughter grow up and be her own woman, finding love and her place in the world. That could make for some genuinely good family content that would make me give a damn about this pregnancy stuff they put on so many damn characters.

But that isn't what the content is. And that's genuinely a real fuckin' shame, because it had potential. A lot of it. Much like the rest of this game. So, so much potential. Ah well, the game has introduced me to wsan and hopefully his own game actually becomes a thing so I wouldn't have to deal with such disappointment!

If nothing else, physically expressing why I find his content so disagreeable and properly explaining my reasoning helps me have perspective and integrity with my own writing. Last thing I wanna do is create content like TOBS'.

 

[Meatshield236]

Regardless of the context, the fact remains that this guy wrote an entire story line with multiple outcomes out of spite. That is quite a lot of effort, not just with regards to writing, but also coding and designing the whole damn system. Which meant that he couldn't have just been riding the initial "fuck you" high; this spite was carried over weeks and months of creation. All for something that could be answered with "I'm not doing incest for this storyline, I want to create a wholesome family dynamic" or some other reason and just point to that whenever people asked.

It's enough to call TOBS a bit deranged, tbh. I don't say this as a personal attack, but as a natural result of the guy making a storyline in a freaking porn game a direct attack against his perceived enemies. That's the sort of thing I expect fanfic writers on Ao3 to do, not writers who are getting paid for what they do.

 

[hauntedxdd]

I don't get it. Why are the devs and writers so insistent on spiting and antagonizing the readers? I'm so fucking confused at this point. To what purpose does this serve? Ah, that's right, to SATE THE WRITERS EGO.


What is the point? How petty can a writer possibly be? I'm shocked at how insanely manchild'ish some of these people can be, holy shit. I have no idea how people let this shit slide.