Quintilus

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There are a lot of games on this website where Chad McThundercock MC only needs to look at a woman and she trips over friends and family to take his manhood into herself.
COC2 follows exactly the same rule. Almost, if not all, characters provide access to their sex scenes after single question 'whats your name?'. Hookups in the bar for a quick fuck require more talks than this...
The only exception that I can name straight up is tobsed drunk fox. Probably there are more.
 

arls120

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COC2 follows exactly the same rule. Almost, if not all, characters provide access to their sex scenes after single question 'whats your name?'. Hookups in the bar for a quick fuck require more talks than this...
The only exception that I can name straight up is tobsed drunk fox. Probably there are more.
You yourself also have to wait like 5 days and then do a mission to be able to fuck with you. There's also Elyon and the new fox husband who require quests.
 

Deviton123

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It's been used by a variety of writers to shut down options, berate fellows in arguments, and general be used as to why "no actually you won't get to flip the tables on the minotaur guards" and what have you

Most of the time perpetuated by the main man and TobS
This especially annoys me, you literally have them at your mercy and yet you can't inflict upon them anything close to what they would have done to you.
 
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Let's see
Thumbs through tombs of history
Thank you gamer, I knew I could rely on you.
As you said - Savin has a point. I don't really envy a lot of porn game developers, because at the end of the day, not every player enters the game with a clear state of mind. There is a group of people that would legit prefer CoC2's story to get even worse just to make having sex easier and more akin to their horny head state where they want Chad Thundercock as MC.

Yet at the same time, this valid viewpoint has been corrupted over the years and is basically used as an excuse for any time players feel dissatisfied with not having agency. I think it happened for two main reasons. The first one is what I said above - a bunch of people with awful requests pretending like they know how to make a story better via making it all about player's power. Second one, is, in my opinion, CoC1 balance being iffy in some moments and letting you have insane power. That's why Savin used Dark Souls as example - not from the lore and story perspective, but from the idea of never being in a position where it's impossible to fail. Afaik, CoC2 is unplayable without companions - going solo will cause you to be defeated because the game isn't balanced around the MC being powerful enough to solo everything and everyone.

However...
COC2 follows exactly the same rule. Almost, if not all, characters provide access to their sex scenes after single question 'whats your name?'. Hookups in the bar for a quick fuck require more talks than this...
This is also correct. So I don't think the whole "Power Fantasy" was about CoC2 not being a game where the world spins around the player - you aren't some all powerful solo hero who can overcome any challenge. And, arguably, it would make the game waaay better in terms of narrative. The issue is... well, the fact that it really seems like the writing is simply not good enough where it feels like MC is practically an observer who exists to look at cool OCs of the writers who are actual protagonists. Which, once again, I think could work potentially, but requires REALLY good writing an EXACT knowledge of themes and ideas of the story, which CoC2 100% doesn't have and I'd argue could never have had given how many writers it has and how they don't talk to each other judging by some scenes.

To be the devil advocate, I do think most posts on forums where devs mention not being power fantasy are more often than not are responses to less than... reasonable critique from the players who might have even worse ideas as to what the story should be. But at the end of the day - if CoC2 had really good story, we wouldn't even have this conversation. The whole "no power fantasy" wouldn't be seen as a meme, but as a good philosophy to make an actually engaging RPG narrative.
 

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Right just gonna butt in and say that is the most insulting thing i've heard someone say about a hitless run in dark souls it takes thousands of hours to memorise the patterns learn when to dodge and on top of that the mental pressure is insane for you to boil it down to just pay attention bruh hurts my soul
Just git gud bro
 

Quintilus

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You yourself also have to wait like 5 days and then do a mission to be able to fuck with you.
Dont make me launch it just to win and argument on the internet!!!
Dont make me...


I launched it.....
Yeah, you right.
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There's also Elyon
Literally who?
the new fox husband who require quests.
Ok, I dont want to check, I believe you here.



MC is practically an observer
Nasty minded psychic vampire!?
if CoC2 had really good story
Thats the trick, there are no story. There are only sequence of some loosely related events that doesnt combines into story.
 

Raf-Raf

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Reading all of these ideas to make the game better instead of catering towards the devs' fetishes alone seems to be way too much for their pride / ego.
That's right, it's power fantasy so this is a no no too. tsk tsk
 

Quintilus

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Reading all of these ideas to make the game better instead of catering towards the devs' fetishes alone seems to be way too much for their pride / ego.
That's right, it's power fantasy so this is a no no too. tsk tsk
How dare you???
Reading is power fantasy!!!!1111111
 

Mrbark1234

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That’s not the point I was trying to make at all. What I meant is that the combat of Dark Souls—which Savin was using as an example of how things could go wrong—is a poor parallel; because unlike say the sidequests in that game (which usually go wrong in some way regardless of what you do), the combat is 100% in the player’s hands and—with total mastery, as you rightfully point out—can be executed flawlessly, achieving a perfect result. (The equivalent in a VN would be making all the right choices and getting the secret harem ending.) This goes against what Savin was trying to demonstrate, namely that things go wrong and the player can do nothing about it.
You've healed my soul with your words and now i agree with you wholeheartedly
 

Alterism

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Thank you gamer, I knew I could rely on you.
As you said - Savin has a point. I don't really envy a lot of porn game developers, because at the end of the day, not every player enters the game with a clear state of mind.
The validity in his viewpoint is about games sometimes having things you don't like or have no control of. The other side of this is that most games give you conclusions you the player can feel satisfied with even despite the speedbumps. This isn't exactly a revolutionary take. Even rhythm games made for children adhere to these general principals. Space Channel 5 part 2 (rip dreamcast) has Ulala lose her first head to head with the antagonist and Fuse suffers for it. But, by the end of the game she wins, everybody is happy, and you dance across the stars. Satisfied in all ways.



If that's too abstract, the point of the product you're producing depends on the genre. In the porn game space unless you're breaking the mold, that entire goal is player satisfaction. How you reach that endpoint depends on your capability of a writer.

In the aforementioned souls example, the entire point and the reward comes from overcoming the challenge.
In a porn game, you exist to attract, excite, and satisfy the player.


never being in a position where it's impossible to fail.
You can full auto this game on dark.

I'm going to put the rest of this response in a block of text as it's getting lengthy and I've got other stuff to talk about.
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Even today the responses you see to questions and requests to something as innocent as "can there be a ______" always ends up being "if you write it". Or "if you commission it"
Which is...
Look, if a game with 200 patrons can implement fan requests and still deliver a phenomenal experience, there's absolutely no excuse for something raking in the bread.

Oh hell. I wanted to save this segue for later a topic in the TiTS discussion but on the topic of quality.

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Bleh
 

Comiies

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How i enjoy scrolling through the forum and watching people keep writing essays on essays about why the game is bad and how the devs are egotistical coomers that dont know what sunlight is.It is fun and also very sad at the same time because not only will the devs never do any positive changes to the game(Good example being introducing some consistency between the scenes ffs) but it will keep being a downwards spiral until the game is finally "finished".Its a shame really but sadly our voices will never be heard.Cheers to the people that care and write these essays for me to enjoy though!
 

Kallisto

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Someone writing a well-thought out essay about their viewpoints on the game instead of just screaming cucksavintobsshitterwaifupls makes for a much better thread. And most don't come here to change the dev's minds on things, we know they won't listen. This place is more for venting.

Rescue Solaire or *ahem* let him find his sun.
Bro, I didn't know! I was too late to save him T.T
 

Raf-Raf

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Road to 1.5k or even 2k pages before the purge!

Hmm, reading some of the paragraphs here reminds me some of mine way way back when I was still a normal cat before turning to this piece of shit cactus state.

And I'm glad to say, the unhinged paragraph rant I did still applies today. :FacePalm:
I wonder if I wish on a comet to make at least the PC be consistent like an average person in this game from the way we act, would the comet do a full 180? :KEK:

'Cause even now I'm still questioning how we can keep killing imps and centaur leaders but them demon generals or those annoying thieves in the KhorMinos or whatever they're called in front of us defeated and the option is to just say 'em, fuck off?

We need the remove content option on everything else like how we have that on the annoying elf-horse-man-thing in the starting forest? Ah fuck, the power fantasy police is he-
 
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