Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Mrbark1234]

I know that this is pitate site and all that, but please do not feed other peoples works into AI generating alghoritims. For there are many moral, ethical and potential illegal reasons while also devaluing the work artist/voice actors/writers etc.

That line has long been passed both by customers companies and some game devs on this site there's no closing that door anymore

 

[M0nte]

There are plenty of lawsuits coming their way. I hope something comes out of it.

 

[Mrbark1234]

There are plenty of lawsuits coming their way. I hope something comes out of it.

M0nte you destroyer of femboys has someone used your work in such a way i know you write and i think i remember a genderbent Nakano you drew

 

[smithsmithsmith]

There are plenty of lawsuits coming their way. I hope something comes out of it.

I respect the mentality but it honestly feels like wasted effort. Can't put the genie back in the bottle especially when unscrupulous sorts can use it to turn a profit.

 

[M0nte]

Depends on the genie.

 

[Hargan2]

That line has long been passed both by customers companies and some game devs on this site there's no closing that door anymore

I mean, just because someone else does something immoral/illegal/unethical does not automatically give you the right to do the same immoral/illegal/unethical thing. Granted, this is a piracy site, so to some extent we all possess a moral code which may be seen by others as less stringent and accepting of certain illegal activities (namely piracy), but still. "Other people do it so that makes it okay" is a pretty weak justification.

 

[Based Department]

"fanfiction is good and fine except when a computer does it."

 

[Skandranon]

There are plenty of lawsuits coming their way. I hope something comes out of it.

Not a chance. About as much use as suing a pirate site, for the same reasons.

AI is already freely available to everyone and becoming moreso continually. Regulating it's use is just trying to plug a dam with your fingers.

 

[ElaineC15]

I hope someone posts the new update using Mega or something like it soon.

 

[Mrbark1234]

I mean, just because someone else does something immoral/illegal/unethical does not automatically give you the right to do the same immoral/illegal/unethical thing. Granted, this is a piracy site, so to some extent we all possess a moral code which may be seen by others as less stringent and accepting of certain illegal activities (namely piracy), but still. "Other people do it so that makes it okay" is a pretty weak justification.

What i meant was customers companies and game devs will abuse ai in order to avoid paying writers musicians or artists for there work hell disney a billion dollar company used it for secret invasion rather then pay a few artists to do there intro i wasn't justifing stealing there work just saying its there and it will be abused until theres laws protecting them from it

 

[Hargan2]

What i meant was customers companies and game devs will abuse ai in order to avoid paying writers musicians or artists for there work hell disney a billion dollar company used it for secret invasion rather then pay a few artists to do there intro i wasn't justifing stealing there work just saying its there and it will be abused until theres laws protecting them from it

Ah, I see, I misinterpreted your point then. My apologies.

 

[Based Department]

I gotta say that I've gotten more enjoyment from this thread than I have the game for a good while now

 

[Mrbark1234]

Ah, I see, I misinterpreted your point then. My apologies.

No worries friend my message was sloppily written

 

[Quintilus]

I know that this is pitate site and all that, but please do not feed other peoples works into AI generating alghoritims. For there are many moral, ethical and potential illegal reasons, alongside also devaluing the work artist/voice actors/writers etc.

> somebody invented sharp stone
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW DULL STONES CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses sharp tones now, time saved by its use increases overall survival chances of single individual, thus species

> somebody invented socks sewing machine
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HAND MADE SOCKS CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody have socks now, even poorest, time and people resources saved by automation used to further boost industrial revolution

> somebody invented internal combustion car
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HORSE BREEDERS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses cars now, not having one considered a sign of poverty and weirdness/goofiness

> somebody invented neural nets able to produce arts based on all the arts that were feed to it
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW ALL ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
> <we are here>
> time passes
> everybody uses neural nets now, not using one considered a sign of hard-crusted mind of grumbling old fart

 

[Wrynn13]

Tobs writing does look a lot like the jumbled garbage you get out of an AI prompt. That would certainly explain "baby bag" at least.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

> somebody invented sharp stone
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW DULL STONES CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses sharp tones now, time saved by its use increases overall survival chances of single individual, thus species

> somebody invented socks sewing machine
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HAND MADE SOCKS CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody have socks now, even poorest, time and people resources saved by automation used to further boost industrial revolution

> somebody invented internal combustion car
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HORSE BREEDERS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses cars now, not having one considered a sign of poverty and weirdness/goofiness

> somebody invented neural nets able to produce arts based on all the arts that were feed to it
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW ALL ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
> <we are here>
> time passes
> everybody uses neural nets now, not using one considered a sign of hard-crusted mind of grumbling old fart

I'll look at your face when you lose your job because of some innovation.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

 

[jfmherokiller]

when it comes down to ai, why bother todo anything if the ai can do it for you.

On a side note ive actually used ai to generate code to autoplay CoCII up to certain points so i can quickly get to scenes I desire.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

> somebody invented sharp stone
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW DULL STONES CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses sharp tones now, time saved by its use increases overall survival chances of single individual, thus species

> somebody invented socks sewing machine
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HAND MADE SOCKS CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody have socks now, even poorest, time and people resources saved by automation used to further boost industrial revolution

> somebody invented internal combustion car
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HORSE BREEDERS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses cars now, not having one considered a sign of poverty and weirdness/goofiness

> somebody invented neural nets able to produce arts based on all the arts that were feed to it
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW ALL ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
> <we are here>
> time passes
> everybody uses neural nets now, not using one considered a sign of hard-crusted mind of grumbling old fart

The one counter point to that is each of your other examples (besides maybe sharp stones) still leads to a fairly comparable number of jobs and as such a fairly comparable number of people supported by said jobs. The weavers were replaced by people who handled and maintained the looms, similarly horse breeders were replaced by mechanics and factory workers. AI has a much harsher drop off due to the sheer number of potential applications compared to the number of people required to maintain them. We're already in a bit of a dicey situation for low end workers right now given the weakening of unions over the last 50 years, a sudden influx of unemployment due to a mass automation of admin or creative positions could lead to some very troubled times indeed.

 

[Quintilus]

I'll look at your face when you lose your job because of some innovation.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

The one counter point to that is each of your other examples (besides maybe sharp stones) still leads to a fairly comparable number of jobs and as such a fairly comparable number of people supported by said jobs. The weavers were replaced by people who handled and maintained the looms, similarly horse breeders were replaced by mechanics and factory workers. AI has a much harsher drop off due to the sheer number of potential applications compared to the number of people required to maintain them. We're already in a bit of a dicey situation for low end workers right now given the weakening of unions over the last 50 years, a sudden influx of unemployment due to a mass automation of admin or creative positions could lead to some very troubled times indeed.

My point was that it will be, and already are, used as a tool. And this moves discussion from 'thats a pretty handy tool' to sociology.

It cant replace everyone, purely from the fact that there are should be someone with experience who will check result of neural net is actually what it supposed to do or no. And somebody should be able to maintain/generate requests for neural nets.
My friendo who draws textures, model models and similar shit uses locally trained stable diffusion, IIRC, to generate ideas for models/textures/etc. He even made a photosession of my basement for a 'cool abandoned factory style', because there were no model with similarly trained dataset.
I personally used/trained one to generate some cool ideas for a doom (1/2) maps but it semi abandoned now because my time now is occupied with how to make a compiler/interpreter with dedicated VM.

And most complains about 'neural nets steals our job' is from kind of artists that draws tobs graphomany kind of shit.
Actual jobs that were 'optimized' by neural nets is that kind of jobs that should be illegal by default, like accounting from 8 to 8/9/10, 6/1 on minimal wage. Im aware the people who picked such jobs done it not because they live life on hardcore, unlike of those pesky casuals, but it WILL improve overall quality of job market/laws in perspective. Dont know is it will be short or long perspective, but there will be changes in this field. But this is a first world problem.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

My point was that it will be, and already are, used as a tool. And this moves discussion from 'thats a pretty handy tool' to sociology.

It cant replace everyone, purely from the fact that there are should be someone with experience who will check result of neural net is actually what it supposed to do or no. And somebody should be able to maintain/generate requests for neural nets.
My friendo who draws textures, model models and similar shit uses locally trained stable diffusion, IIRC, to generate ideas for models/textures/etc. He even made a photosession of my basement for a 'cool abandoned factory style', because there were no model with similarly trained dataset.
I personally used/trained one to generate some cool ideas for a doom (1/2) maps but it semi abandoned now because my time now is occupied with how to make a compiler/interpreter with dedicated VM.

And most complains about 'neural nets steals our job' is from kind of artists that draws tobs graphomany kind of shit.
Actual jobs that were 'optimized' by neural nets is that kind of jobs that should be illegal by default, like accounting from 8 to 8/9/10, 6/1 on minimal wage. Im aware the people who picked such jobs done it not because they live life on hardcore, unlike of those pesky casuals, but it WILL improve overall quality of job market/laws in perspective. Dont know is it will be short or long perspective, but there will be changes in this field. But this is a first world problem.

Again, wait until the problen hits you personally, then you'll sing entirely different song.
Everyone is high and mighty solving prolbems that don't affect them personally.