Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[ihopeiforget]

Hi,

I am trying to cage Ryn again, but when I go to it says that someone else is already wearing it. I did not place it on Alissa yet. It's a save that has been through many versions (615 days) so I have no way to figure out what happened to it. Can someone help with the flags that need to be changed to get the cage back? Thank you!

To clarify here, I DO NOT have the cage and HAVE NEVER put it on anyone. Can someone share their save where it is available so I can search the flags please?

 

[Alterism]

I wanna say, like 60% of all content

60% of all NPCs. About content? I'm not actually sure about that.

I've never done a tally and neither has anybody else. The big list I've seen are just NPC tallies. I thought I'd do that one day. But that sounds more tedious than fun for the purposes of informing a perspective. So that's probably never coming.

Though I've often thought, where are the lines drawn. Like I can't exactly pretend that the Black Knight and Alante are balanced in this regard.


What about the distribution?
Kalysea has more content by herself than 3 other NPCs combined.
Tarah far eclipses NPCs like Gwyn, Eryka, and Clementine combined.

the most recent being the Black Knight update on Sept.11th.

This is what I'm talking about.

You could count the Vulperine's as an example of females balancing the scales. But while the empath has 2 scenes including the loss scene the rest of that pack has 7 sex scenes not counting variations for player vaginal/anal.

What I mean to say is that content amount and NPC gender aren't created equal. At that particular point of scrutiny, where does it end? Like do I count that the majority of threesomes in the game all have a male, futa, or dickgirl despite their being more females?

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Really the only thing that brought this about was a fit of clarity when I realized that Vasha is quite literally the first random encounter where you're not under threat of being sodomized on loss in nearly 4 years. Unless I'm mistaken, the last one was the Painted Demons by B in December of 2020.
I think. Maybe

Speaking of Vasha. Doesn't she outright murder your ass if you lose to her in the ring of fate? Crazy how the PC gets dished all this nonsense and can't even so much as lie to somebody.

 

[Skandranon]

60% of all NPCs. About content? I'm not actually sure about that.

I did actually do a tally, for like a 7 month period, and for that time at least, it's pretty consistent.

In fact, for actually meaningful content (as in not one-off encounters or battles) pretty sure it comes out to even higher than 60% in favor of females.

This is besides the fact that female characters tend to get a wider variety of meaningful content too. All the marriages, all the kids, the vast majority of romance in the game? For female characters.

Heck, just peep the companion spread, and note the content disparity there. It's pretty reflective of the whole game.

 

[Alterism]

Oh. I didn't see this. Rather than amend this to the visual vomit of my previous post, you get one of your own.

To clarify here, I DO NOT have the cage and HAVE NEVER put it on anyone. Can someone share their save where it is available so I can search the flags please?

Did you EVER get the cage?
For high confidenceEtheryn, you have to either catch anal from her or do the Elthara threesome after WC.
For low cpnfidence Etheryn, I'm pretty sure you just approach her in the palace.

I don't know how to edit key items without breaking everything (which is what the cage is, when it's in your inventory).

So we're going to do this in an incredibly stupid way.

1. Create an external save in game
   1. Data -> Save to File -> name it whatever (make sure it has the .coc2 filename)
2. Open the game in your browser. If you don't know how to do this
   1. Open the folder where you unzipped CoC2 -> Resources -> App -> Index.html
3. Open Index.html
4. Open the console. If you're on chrome:
   1. Press f12
   2. Click on the console tab
5. Add the Chastity perk to Etheryn
   1. In the console type: etheryn.createPerk(PERKS.Chastity)

Remove the cage from Etheryn, now it's properly in your key items.
You can put it on anybody now. Go nuts

I did actually do a tally, for like a 7 month period, and for that time at least, it's pretty consistent.

Outstanding. Did you just do scene count or length?
Actually it doesn't matter.
I think I lost perspective due to negative bias. Because I definitely didn't think of the things like marriages, pregnancy, and children.

 

[GokutheG]

When my character stood there sucking he's thumb after being told hes daughter who was four 5 seconds ago was getting married and he cant stop it because he's a foreigner and has no say in this

Yeah not having any say in the life of Kinu once freed was what really soured me on the Kitsune content as a whole. It seems like TOBS wanted to spite the annoy faction of the incest players without realizing that the spite will also hit players who actually enjoyed helping her grow up. Just look at Joker 2 to see how trying to spite your fans will turn out.

So. Hmm...
I guess given it's a personal opinion, I'll try and keep it brief.

This rubbed me the wrong way

Bugged the piss out of me. Don't think it set me full negative.

There was a metric fuckton of NPC x NPC for like two years. I didn't really like any of it.
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But... Hmm...
I remember not being too enthused about Daliza and Jae'lyn actually being madly in love the entire time. Don't think I was fully an anti then either.

Still I wonder what my tipping point is. If we got off of when I first posted my review it was 0.4.41. But I'm pretty sure I checked out awhile before that.
...Maybe not? I started at 0.4.40 and looked down and I don't see anything that could cause such a dramatic visceral reaction like going from a staunch fan to a persistent anti. It couldn't have been right when I posted the review. Right?

Lemme check
Oh. No I guess it was 0.4.41

Wait that's all it took?
Don't fuck up maids I guess.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And the removal of the cunttail is another thing that soured me on the game. Let players customize their mc how they want. To me that's one of the prime reasons to even play these games.

 

[lolman]

I have nearly every version since 0.3.x (windows only), which one do you want?

Super late, month's old reply... but i managed to get the old version i wanted through Steam depot, but thanks for the offer!

 

[ihopeiforget]

Remove the cage from Etheryn, now it's properly in your key items.
You can put it on anybody now. Go nuts

That helps so much, thank you!

 

[Rocky Pineapple Rhythm]

To clarify here, I DO NOT have the cage and HAVE NEVER put it on anyone. Can someone share their save where it is available so I can search the flags please?

Open Console, Enter EtherynGivesYouHerCage(), Profit

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Just out of curiosity, why does almost everyone who talks about quint here hate him? Is it his dialogue, sex scenes or his quest involvement?

I think it's his general personality but I believe I sorta just added him to the party and never bothered with him afterwards. I think my team was pretty much always Brienne and Cait. Think someone managed to add everyone in battle which would've been fun but I didn't try that.

Yeah not having any say in the life of Kinu once freed was what really soured me on the Kitsune content as a whole. It seems like TOBS wanted to spite the annoy faction of the incest players without realizing that the spite will also hit players who actually enjoyed helping her grow up. Just look at Joker 2 to see how trying to spite your fans will turn out.

And the removal of the cunttail is another thing that soured me on the game. Let players customize their mc how they want. To me that's one of the prime reasons to even play these games.

Kinu's sudden againg was easily the most short-sighted thing in the whole game, I'm surprised nobody piped about the possible consequences.

 

[Biostar]

When did sentiment for this game and it's content sour for yall? For me I enjoyed the game more when we weren't able to even get past the guards to enter the tunnel to the minotaurs' city.

Definitely has to be the post-orb Kitsune content for me. After that the whole Etheryn bullshit, the Cait temple bullshit, and just little things here and there.

Just out of curiosity, why does almost everyone who talks about quint here hate him? Is it his dialogue, sex scenes or his quest involvement?

He looks like this and I can't fuck his butt. What use does he have to me? Then they go to the trouble of creating some weird hooker girlfriend for him as if I should give a shit about that.

 

[Skandranon]

Just out of curiosity, why does almost everyone who talks about quint here hate him? Is it his dialogue, sex scenes or his quest involvement?

Because that's the goal.

Both him and Taka were designed to be hated. The plan was clearly to give both some kind of "redemption", turning them into someone likeable. You can even see the beginning of it in his Atugia quest.

Unfortunately, Bubbles and his massive penis were consumed by rabid wolves, so who knows what'll happen.

 

[Belphegor007]

I still believe a lot of the hate for the game would have never occurred if out character had agency and we had the ability to role play.
The complaints about content or characters would still exist, but would be simply minor annoyances instead of massive hindrances to enjoyment.

Sure we pick how our characters look, our background, and class but is that really all a rpg is?
For someone who based their game of a DnD game we essentially play a game run by a shitting DM who makes his pet NPCs take the center stage, but hell at least in a tabletop setting you could control what you say.
The Mass Effect dialogue wheel, Voice Hawker in DA2, and Fallout 4's four versions of saying yes still allowed one to choose our tone when choosing and option or personality of the character while we are a boring schizophrenic idea of a character who changes depending how the author wants us to act with their character.

I'm not asking for major branching paths, but the ability to at least give my character personality in various ways to answer or interact with people and quests. Just asking for minor dialogue changes and for authors to stop making our character their mouthpiece.

 

[Belphegor007]

Because that's the goal.

Both him and Taka were designed to be hated. The plan was clearly to give both some kind of "redemption", turning them into someone likeable. You can even see the beginning of it in his Atugia quest.

Unfortunately, Bubbles and his massive penis were consumed by rabid wolves, so who knows what'll happen.

He failed from the offset by making them another long list of characters who disrespect your character and are fuckups who despite that have large amount of people the love them with the drunk dipshit fox being the worst.
Being the biggest douchebag in a game filled with them doesn't make one want to see them grow or get redeemed.

 

[M0nte]

Just out of curiosity, why does almost everyone who talks about quint here hate him? Is it his dialogue, sex scenes or his quest involvement?

Look, there are many reasons why people dislike him but I do not think that is the problem here. Many people here dislike Arona and Kiyoko, yet they still have fans. Quinn, in contrast, does not.

The biggest problem he has right now is that he does not have bottoming content. That's it. Most of people here play as guys. We have dicks. We want to use them. Quinn refuses to bottom, despite being a bunny prettyboy, which either leads to disintrest in whatever he offers or puts his flaws to the forefront. Imagine if Arona did not have bottoming content -- that would immidietly kill most of playerbase interest in her.

Unfortunatly, he will probably never recieve an expansion where we can top him considering he does not have a writer.

 

[Alterism]

Both him and Taka were designed to be hated.

Taka was meant to be hated. Quin was some whacky hodgepodge of writer self insert fuckery and Bubs trying to make some story where Quinn is the big hero proving himself to other people (and the player not to be confused with the player character)

But like every other writers pet. The path Quint would have taken would have been...
I mean...

The biggest problem he has right now is that he does not have bottoming content.

IIRC he was never meant to ever be that kind of character.

And hell while I'm editing this. Let's just answer the question

Just out of curiosity, why does almost everyone who talks about quint here hate him? Is it his dialogue, sex scenes or his quest involvement?

The image that DCL made for him sucked. The character read terribly ("tell me about Tolus" "Never",) and was some half assed wanna-be Cassanova who was written to flirt with all the girls. If you didn't like NPC x NPC, Quint was meant to facilitate nothing but that.

And for me personally? I'm not into dudes. And am even less into dude self-inserts

 

[Belphegor007]

Taka was meant to be hated. Quin was some whacky hodgepodge of writer self insert fuckery and Bubs trying to make some story where Quinn is the big hero proving himself to other people (and the player not to be confused with the player character)

But like every other writers pet. The path Quint would have taken would have been...
I mean...

IIRC he was never meant to ever be that kind of character.

And hell while I'm editing this. Let's just answer the question


The image that DCL made for him sucked. The character read terribly ("tell me about Tolus" "Never",) and was some half assed wanna-be Cassanova who was written to flirt with all the girls. If you didn't like NPC x NPC, Quint was meant to facilitate nothing but that.

And for me personally? I'm not into dudes. And am even less into dude self-inserts

Why do we even have a playable character?
Fuckers should have just made a game where we controlled their premade OCs as a party if this is what those dumbasses want.

 

[Belphegor007]

Taka was meant to be hated. Quin was some whacky hodgepodge of writer self insert fuckery and Bubs trying to make some story where Quinn is the big hero proving himself to other people (and the player not to be confused with the player character)

But like every other writers pet. The path Quint would have taken would have been...
I mean...

IIRC he was never meant to ever be that kind of character.

And hell while I'm editing this. Let's just answer the question


The image that DCL made for him sucked. The character read terribly ("tell me about Tolus" "Never",) and was some half assed wanna-be Cassanova who was written to flirt with all the girls. If you didn't like NPC x NPC, Quint was meant to facilitate nothing but that.

And for me personally? I'm not into dudes. And am even less into dude self-inserts

Also I really do hope Savin is not so dumb to not only allow classes to be only be unlocked through Quint, but then also make it so that if you want to save any cultists then you need him as well.
Fucking Cait would be getting less favoritism then Quint at that point.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Why do we even have a playable character?
Fuckers should have just made a game where we controlled their premade OCs as a party if this is what those dumbasses want.

They couldn't parasitize on CoC brand that way. They needed an arbitrary customizable player ragdoll.

 

[GokutheG]

Taka was meant to be hated. Quin was some whacky hodgepodge of writer self insert fuckery and Bubs trying to make some story where Quinn is the big hero proving himself to other people (and the player not to be confused with the player character)

But like every other writers pet. The path Quint would have taken would have been...
I mean...

IIRC he was never meant to ever be that kind of character.

And hell while I'm editing this. Let's just answer the question


The image that DCL made for him sucked. The character read terribly ("tell me about Tolus" "Never",) and was some half assed wanna-be Cassanova who was written to flirt with all the girls. If you didn't like NPC x NPC, Quint was meant to facilitate nothing but that.

And for me personally? I'm not into dudes. And am even less into dude self-inserts

Wait so Q's writer is surprised that a former member of a sex cult that's been raping people and sacrificing others may be considered evil when he specializes in magic that screws with his victim's mind...

No wonder Savin was surprised with the perception that Cait's religion is a groomer religion.

The members of this development team man.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Taka was meant to be hated. Quin was some whacky hodgepodge of writer self insert fuckery and Bubs trying to make some story where Quinn is the big hero proving himself to other people (and the player not to be confused with the player character)

But like every other writers pet. The path Quint would have taken would have been...
I mean...

IIRC he was never meant to ever be that kind of character.

And hell while I'm editing this. Let's just answer the question


The image that DCL made for him sucked. The character read terribly ("tell me about Tolus" "Never",) and was some half assed wanna-be Cassanova who was written to flirt with all the girls. If you didn't like NPC x NPC, Quint was meant to facilitate nothing but that.

And for me personally? I'm not into dudes. And am even less into dude self-inserts

Man Bubbles is always so funny to read. This isn't the first time this is posted and won't be the last but it's always a blast.

The guy has his head so far up his ass he can see undigested shit. The arrogance to think he could make his super special oh so very important guy take all the spotlight and fuck everyone and fuck you and everyone would just be lining up for it. Even sub bottom peeps want to feel special, they want the character to fuck them for the most part.

Not his only creation to be such too. There's this unfinished story, Liutenant Jen or whatever, the one eyed girl. She has this prior commander we were meant to find one day, who is immortal and also fucks everyone and is super strong and also beats you up.

I know he doesn't write anymore and isn't particularly well liked with other develoeprs of the team also shitting hard on Bubbles in public chat (SavCo where every dev is well adjusted and professional), wonder if he will ever return.

Honestly I kinda think the game is basically winding down into maintenance mode at this point. The amount of content we get is far, far less than its first few years. Even Wsan basically admitted to it right before Brihaus.