Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[GokutheG]

The bad end exists as a fail state for the PC being completely consumed by their desires, it's quick and easy to implement compared to the more lengthy alternative. There was a point in development where Kaly was even intended to be a hostile NPC (still quite like the idea but stuck on how to implement it properly now), but we preferred this idea instead in the end as it was a little different to direct confrontation, this way the PC is willingly submitting and sinking into the bad end.

Edit: I should say that Kaly is clearly working toward -some- goal with the PC, as implied by her starting her own harem in the bad end (with the intent of taking their power too), it just isn't yet revealed. I will mention one important detail to explain a lot of her behaviour (and a hint for future story stuff):

She never mentions -who- forged her ring, and it's a fair assumption she's not exactly wealthy enough to afford those kind of services, so...

Ahh so she was always meant to be an adversary? I thought she may have been like the blue giant guardian where you start as enemies because the peaceful route hasn't been implemented yet.

Like she bad ends you because she thinks that's the best way to complete her task and you'd get a way to show your abilities to possibly avoid that.

 

[mistress.ayin]

Kaly is my OC, written by Wsan, I'm confused what you mean by 'another writer that wants to try to ruin existing characters with their oc'.

I would have liked to address more, as it's a well thought out post I admit, but it's late here and I need to sleep, I just wanted to reply to it since I missed it for a while, I don't check in here super often. I'll probably go back and edit it to be a little better tomorrow. The long story short of it is simply that a lot of those holes are there because she isn't a finished character. The issue is she's being compared to actual companions who have a ton of stuff put into their backstories which are generally quite fleshed out. Kaly right now has very, very little development which was going to be a big part of her next update, Wsan did a lovely job with her sex scenes in my opinion but I would have like a little more character building and SFW content, I've considered writing some little scenes myself (going on little 'dates' to learn more about her while picking flowers, petting cute animals, etc...). I think people will quite like what I have planned for her but we just have to wait for now sadly, with no ETA.

Hi, and i don't have any intend to insult you, that's your decision, and your fetish, and i will respect, but imagine im your wife and every day i do some disrespectful action to you (that scenes sissy wsan created), do you indure that disrespectful actions from me ? Or imagine you hire me as a dominatrix, we have a safe word if i do action to hurt you, if i do more than that, the next time, you don't hire me, I don't have any problem with you. My problem is Wsan (why you choose this guy to write this commission for you, he has a mental illness, there was another writers too !), he created this character to revenge you (you it means the player, not you) like animal alpha dog with no respect to his (i use this world, because this character is a dry as a old fashion patriarch and like alpha dog and wanted to revenge and humiliate his partner like slut) partner.
My problem is Sissy Wsan, he is like a chainsaw cut the brain of the player, and player has no any option on that quest to say no or its enough you hurting me, im done with you! (only except from the beginning), he created another npc Octavia, and what different between this two octavia and kalysea, except of horsecock and revenge from the player ? The problem is if i want to kill kalysea or octavia (i prefer to kill kalysea and octavia from the beginning), from the beginning i have seen them, i can not. Because they do what the wsan (with his AI help ) wants to do, and we can not kill them.
Im not a writer, but in the computer i have enough knowledge to knows the difference between ai and a person, he (wsan) aided from ai, and some changes with his mind on the stories to creates new one.
And i have an argue with AI word, i do not know this name the artificial intelligence as a intellect one its a joke from the media and hollywood films, in my opinion we have no such things "the AI", we have the Smart Assisstant.

 

[mistress.ayin]

Oh yes of course, I can get people wanting to do murderbone playthroughs on standard RPGs but this is a NSFW RPG, catering to players that want to murderbone all the NPCs in a NSFW game would be very odd.

I meant more regarding the point of players having agency and affecting things. Again, no spoilers because I still have to run a bunch of stuff by Wsan when he's ready to iron it all out, things will change from what I have in my head I'm just not sure to what extent. I maaaaaaay at some point post the ideas here though if I really can't decide on certain details, I just don't want to ruin the fun of people experiencing the story as intended, but maybe that's not such a big deal, idk.

About RPG, this game is not rpg, at best condition its an adventure game, with a few character customize, this game dictate their own writer's will to the main character, its not an rpg, we untag this game from rpg in the f95.
If you want an rpg adult: Strive for Power 2 - Conquest.
And anyway you can use my Mod for CoC2 too, and im not a dictator like a Savin or a sick mind person like Wsan, i created an optional filter, you can filter Wsan scenes or not on my mod, plus you can make your champion strong and in the beginning you can choose 3 other races too.

 

[Azriel Satan]

its going to be a flag and runs I believe as a positive or negative number depending on which path you took.

I think you need to submit/fail to turn her to dom and you need to beat her in combat to turn her sub.

check under your FLAGS object for an arona flag that I think is either positive or negative 3.

Its 100 and -100. Any values between those are neutral.

/* Arona Dom */ flags.ARONA_SUBMISSION = -100;

/* Arona Sub */ flags.ARONA_SUBMISSION = 100;

 

[mistress.ayin]

The developer team instead of fixing their own bugs, they creates a new story, the new story is good option, but i think no one has a argue if you do not give a one month story update, and fixing the bugs instead of that !! for example Lapist Hoplite bust and name menu bugs exists even in a few month !! (i give them the fixes with so many "back" buttons bug at the menu's, and they do not fix that), another bug, if you brings Hatsu in wayfort at her sex menu you have an option to ride her face, this option must be disabled for those genders who has a dick with out vagina, it must only works for MC female or hermaphrodite, who has vagina, but this option is open and show you some dirty error's if you don't have vagina !!

another bug, i can tell you to find it: go to windy peaks to "Arened" then talk to him, after talk go back to his menu and choose his "Store" menu, then put the "Exit" or "Back" button, you have seen a full blank screen !! that's the bug of the back button ! i have seen this bug when i created my "Special Shop" in my mod !! the coding team created a function ClearMenu() to cleans the textify on the screen, this function cleans the screen to the blank !! you must put the function of the exit button (at the Arened store shop) to the "return the main menu" after the clean of the screen !! but they didn't !!
the game has so many bugs, but instead of that, they creates a new story, and at their forum (fenoxo) if any one say this, they attacks to that person and continue their own works !!! (one month instead of stories fixing your bugs)

another example, they creates adult theme, but they said we have balance in our scenes, and make futa over and over, dears its not balance if you adding a straight theme (like Kiyoko or others ....), its mean you add the straight theme in your game so your game is not only trans theme !! the balance between a regular (straight theme) and other scenes must to be 80% regular and 20% others !! but if your game was the only trans theme i will accept your balance, because you have a game with only trans theme (like the shitty game Futadom World), you adding a straight theme in your game but you like to adding sadistic Futa theme too equals of the regular theme, that not a balance, if you want do this, adding futa more than regular or equals of regular scene, do not add the straight theme, and make your game only trans (futa) theme like that game i said, and you have been seen how many presents your game have !!! (only 20% of the players)

 

[mistress.ayin]

Try having your entire FA page just plastered with MLP content.
Also for real the as somone who has a roo sona the porn can get weird lol.


They used javascript so that the game can run in the browser just like its original flash counterpart. Electron is more or less a modified version of chrome to allow developers to make desktop applications using html and javascript.

If you want a game coded in java then see Liliths Throne but thats a giant mess.

Innoxia she is my friend, and yes she is some lazy and always has stress , im not talking about her more !!! she doesn't accept any one codes except herself (if she will agreed with that, i could be coding at her game and making that game some similar like a Fable, i like java and known that language very well) !! any way i created a Mod for her game, but because of her i will not published that, the mods only works for me , and you must have the knowledge of Eclipse and Maven (and java coding) to install that mod !!

Java is a good language you can write your codes one time (only one time), for any platform ! for example i want to created a mobile app, and i want to make that app for windows too (i prefer Linux), the code in java is global, i do not need any changes in my code, i only need a JDK and some little changes in my code, to run that app in windows !! (because of Interpreter)
but in the other languages you need to port all your codes for other platform (of course we have QT and this will gives you so many output options)

 

[Sparks127]

I think Savin said that that will be an endgame/epilogue thing.

That's lame. What good is getting pregnant if I can't enjoy it and it's just a line (or a paragraph if we're feeling generous) in the end of the game?

 

[Futahar]

Can someone explain why there isn't more art in the game, I feel like if a text based game is making $28,240 there would be more art

 

[Unkoep]

Can someone explain why there isn't more art in the game, I feel like if a text based game is making $28,240 there would be more art

It's cheaper

 

[Skandranon]

I feel like if a text based game is making $28,240 there would be more art

Why?

It's not a text-based game because they can't afford pictures.

There's not more art because it's a text-based game.

 

[Daken9]

Funny comment but there's obviously actual deep resentment of the character here, can you explain why? She is written outside of Wsan's work on CoC2 and can be immediately disabled before engaging with her so she has no impact on your game. If you have an option to completely remove content you dislike from the game how can you still be so angry about it? Do you see why it seems very strange?

More generilzed distate worded in a heavily sarcastic manner because i've long since stopped discussing this game in a serious manner. Suffice to say, at worst i believe the character is a waste of time, but that it's no one's fault but the devs who've likely figured out their Patreon income is plateud no matter how (little) effort they put in- so might as well make bank with commissions and everything else gets on the backlog. Even beyond your character, we've recentely seen that with the gladiator futa who likely had more words spent on her - considering the arena is all one big prelude to that encounter - than the meeting with the royals (which took them 2/3 to push out, i believe?). And besides, that even beyond commissions those samey characters just keep oncoming doesn't help either.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Great. Another writer that wants to try to ruin and taint existing characters with their oc and then have that posted on the front page for everybody to see.

Eh. I imagine that's only a thing if you accept the horse, at least.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

But this whole thing is a fetish factory for other people, thinly veiled as a game. And even when liking what's on offer. It still feels/comes off as made for someone else. Like we as the writers like this so we put it in. Oh you like it too? Perfect! Then it works out in the end. We were going to do it regardless of you, so it works out that you're fine/into it too.

But if they could still get paid to make this game regardless. I believe they would remove us as players and keep it going on for themselves, as if we never existed. That's how a lot of this game came off for me. And again, I speak for myself on this.

Honestly feel this way too about it.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

But isn't that the best way to make games? You should create what you want to see and hopefully you'll find an audience who share your interests. Otherwise you get games that try to appeal to everyone and does nothing well. That's why AAA games are in the state they are in now. I'll agree that the mc should have more agency.

I'm Fifty Fifty on this, while I agree a Dev should make games they enjoy (my goats like Hideki Kamiya, Shinji Mikami, Hidetaka Miyazaki, and Chris Avellone live by this principal) it should never be to the alienation of everyone or strip the player of agency. If they have an object/gimmick they should stick to it and explore it but with making accessible (learning curbs are a must) and maintain player choice were applicable.
But like ChubbyFatBoy said they don't do that, you are a long for their ride where your agency is taken at random and ppl with money to fling will get to put in whatever gimmick character regardless of where it fits into the big picture of the game because money.

AAA games are dying because: 1) Investors keep sticking their noise into the deving process to demand gimmicks from other games be shoved into their own regardless of whether it matches the vibe or just straight up copy-pasting popular games (see the 1000+ soulslikes, uhg). 2) Investors really only care about the bottom line so if they can split the game into piece for sale (making Dlc while simultaneously making the game/Microtransactions) which fucks up gaming culture. 3) Both Devs and Investors are push woke nonsense on ppl and most folks are tired of it, while I do think they do it for different reasons; Devs imo being the useful idiots that believe in the movement and Investor/Companies wanting Blackrock credit and funding.

 

[Nidabutt]

Out of curiosity, how much did you donate for this?

I believe the total so far is around $700 including the bust and coding work.

 

[Nidabutt]

Ahh so she was always meant to be an adversary? I thought she may have been like the blue giant guardian where you start as enemies because the peaceful route hasn't been implemented yet.

Like she bad ends you because she thinks that's the best way to complete her task and you'd get a way to show your abilities to possibly avoid that.

Originally yes, but things changed during the planning with Wsan, mainly because he thought having her as just another hostile NPC would be a bit boring and I was inclined to agree. She'd have effectively worked like Sandre and Caera I'd imagine.

 

[Sionack]

I believe the total so far is around $700 including the bust and coding work.

Are you the dude who commissioned Kalysea? If so good shit, she's one of my favorites.

 

[Nidabutt]

Hi, and i don't have any intend to insult you, that your decision, and your fetish, and i will respect, but imagine im your wife and every day i do some disrespectful action to you (that scenes sissy wsan created), do you indure that respectful action from me ? Or imagine you hire me as a dominatrix, we have a safe word if i do action to hurt you, if i do more than that, the next time, you don't hire me, I don't have any problem with you.

Okay so I wanna actually address this because it's important. Maybe I can help bridge some understanding as to why she acts as she does.

Yes, Kalysea is not treating the PC with much respect you're correct, this is intentional. During her initial interactions with the PC she sees them more as a tool to achieve her goals than a partner, if they have some fun along the way then that's just a bonus. Kaly is not playing on your team, but your goals are somewhat aligned, think of her as a mysterious witch of the woods who seems to be working alongside you yet refuses to explain why while she pulls and tugs at your strings. That is meant to make you somewhat uncomfortable with her, the dynamic is finding her hot but also knowing that giving into those desires is a bad idea, a metaphorical succubus without the wings (plus the two extra hooves). She's a bad influence, but your curiosity draws you in, it's exciting because it's dangerous. I hope that explains why me and Wsan designed her content the way it is, currently in the game she is a 'villain'.

I will say though, Wsan is just writing for a porn game, any percieved slight is just that so please don't see it as him trying to antagonise you. He worked his butt off writing Kaly and I've been very happy with it so far as the commissioner.

 

[Alterism]

the difference is just what the current crop of writers like.

And that people quite literally voted with their wallet on what was getting pushed in CoC1.
Donation driven as well. The big decline was actually a result of...

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Wait, what am I saying?
This isn't an Aesop.

The lesson is, "shit happens."

Eh. I imagine that's only a thing if you accept the horse, at least.

When written well? Pretty alright.

CoC2 doesn't tend to write characters in a satisfying manner, don't build relationships, and don't create reasonable scenarios with which an NPC could become open to content X or Y.

They're always down for X or Y
And due to them always being down for X or Y, even if they don't do X or Y, they're always a character that could enjoy X or Y. The origin point is the same but it leads to different outcomes solely on observation. That's nonsense. CoC2 loves doing that alongside telling and not showing.

Ha. Porn Superposition?

 

[Walk Cycle]

CoC2 doesn't tend to write characters in a satisfying manner

That's it.

That's the whole thread.