Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

The problem with evil in RPGs is that evil actions are, by definition, anti-social and tend to make things worse. And since RPGs are on a personal scale, it's hard to really create compelling content that one can call 'evil' without diving into real-world nastiness that a lot of people deal with. So "stab a guy because you can" or "be a random asshole" tends to be the norm, because those are power fantasies. Any other kind of evil would dive straight into edge lord territory, or just be unappealing. Nobody wants to roleplay an abusive parent or a serial kiddy diddler. Not that the CoC 2 devs are any good at writing even the basic kind of evil you commonly see, but this is one case where I don't blame them for not doing well.

IRL begs to differ, Epstein Island and other such things require social interaction and camaraderie. The Phantom Trope from the anime HxH do evil shit together but their also good friends that care about each other. People tend to forget that villains are also people because they're too fixated on their actions alone. Remember, Hitler loved dogs so much that he made an animal rights law, which is the modern animal rights law of today is based on, Saddam Hussein loved romance novels and books and wanted to direct some. Being evil doesn't stop you from being social or a person. If that were the case, a lot of serial killers who seduce chicks would never exist. Not to mention Bonnie and Clyde.
Most Devs just don't get it because a lot ppl are used to labeling monstrous actions as "other" or demonizing them. They forget that even the Devil has friends.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

They lack an understanding of boundaries unless it's something that they don't like. Somebody pointed out that Sav will suck off Kas about how shes not a monster while she's literally keeping drugged up breeding slaves in her basement.
When there are no boundaries or distinction between good and evil, then everything is permitted and nothing is wrong.

But is that a lack of understanding? Or are they just doing it on purpose? I mean the game treats rape like a trip to Disneyland. It's more rude to not give someone the ol struggle snuggle. Like how many game over/loss scenes (not including the two classics) are actually bad bad? And I can only think of a handful of enemies we can outright kill. We mostly just beat everyone down until they ass up. Totally not wanting what comes next. I don't disagree with the end of what you said.

But I think folks viewing this from them unable to do it. Instead of them not wanting to do it. I know we can rag on the writing in general. But if they wanted to make it darker, they easily could have. We're just being given diet coke corruption.... purposefully.

 

[Cerneu]

I don't hate Cait.



In fact, I like her a lot. As a friend with benefits, not as a lover. Which might explain why I, unlike a lot of people in here, don't lose my mind over her acting like a whore.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

I don't hate Cait.

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In fact, I like her a lot. As a friend with benefits, not as a lover. Which might explain why I, unlike a lot of people in here, don't lose my mind over her acting like a whore.

But there are plenty of characters who are whores in this game. Kas is one of the biggest whores around, yet plenty love her. I have gladly blown premium smoke up her ass. And despite her still messing around for story sake. I ain't loss sleep over it. I still maintain that all Savin had to do with Cait. Was to not force her popping up on people. Don't treat her like a secondary MC. And don't try to mix main waifu energy, with super slut. It's weird.

 

[Cerneu]

I still maintain that all Savin had to do with Cait. Was to not force her popping up on people. Don't treat her like a secondary MC.

But she is literally the Deuteragonist. The story starts with her sister being kidnapped, and us helping Cait to find her.

So get used to seeing Cait, a lot.

 

[MangaKing]

I don't hate Cait.

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In fact, I like her a lot. As a friend with benefits, not as a lover. Which might explain why I, unlike a lot of people in here, don't lose my mind over her acting like a whore.

I agree Cait is just a friend with benefits, I mean she tells you that she is going to sleep around before you first have sex with her, I haven't seen her as a romantic partner just a friend, I honestly don't care what she does, the butt virginity thing was weird though. The temple stuff is some wild stuff though like WTF were they smoking.

 

[Jbuster]

IRL begs to differ, Epstein Island and other such things require social interaction and camaraderie. The Phantom Trope from the anime HxH do evil shit together but their also good friends that care about each other. People tend to forget that villains are also people because they're too fixated on their actions alone. Remember, Hitler loved dogs so much that he made an animal rights law, which is the modern animal rights law of today is based on, Saddam Hussein loved romance novels and books and wanted to direct some. Being evil doesn't stop you from being social or a person. If that were the case, a lot of serial killers who seduce chicks would never exist. Not to mention Bonnie and Clyde.
Most Devs just don't get it because a lot ppl are used to labeling monstrous actions as "other" or demonizing them. They forget that even the Devil has friends.

Now imagine Savin & co., take this advice to heart and decide to write their own version of, let's say, Ted Bundy so they make this character who's supposed to be all suave and charming but also, a massive creep and... Yeah I forgot they already did that

Spoiler: Now give me your eyes m'lady, or I shall make you cringe to death

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Devs (unless they're in that niche market we won't talk about) struggle a lot with what makes a monster, that lack of empathy that differentiates normal people from those not so normal from which the wide range of anti-social behaviors emanates, dunno, maybe it's a recent issue because I remember even the cheapest soap opera from my country could produce gold given the chance, and create some memorable monsters

But is that a lack of understanding? Or are they just doing it on purpose? I mean the game treats rape like a trip to Disneyland. It's more rude to not give someone the ol struggle snuggle. Like how many game over/loss scenes (not including the two classics) are actually bad bad? And I can only think of a handful of enemies we can outright kill. We mostly just beat everyone down until they ass up. Totally not wanting what comes next. I don't disagree with the end of what you said.

But I think folks viewing this from them unable to do it. Instead of them not wanting to do it. I know we can rag on the writing in general. But if they wanted to make it darker, they easily could have. We're just being given diet coke corruption.... purposefully.

They could but there's the chance to cross into edgelord territory and I'm not sure anyone wants that

I don't hate Cait.

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In fact, I like her a lot. As a friend with benefits, not as a lover. Which might explain why I, unlike a lot of people in here, don't lose my mind over her acting like a whore.

She doesn't have enough FWB energy to reclaim that spot (unlike Anno from outer space sex adventures), having said that, I do like her and want her as a lover, but wish her whorish behavior would be more of an issue for the champion and have some tension here and there

I crave toxicity

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

But she is literally the Deuteragonist. The story starts with her sister being kidnapped, and us helping Cait to find her.

So get used to seeing Cait, a lot.

Cool. I've played the game. I know. Does not change what I said, about how to change the outlook on her. Or at least how I think it could've helped. She was written that way... she could've easily not been written that way. That's kinda the perk of it being a game. But hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

 

[Essta]

The temple stuff is even funnier when you play a female hero. You mean i have to pay a fortune to suffer the whole pregnancy and birth process AND i dont get to keep my kid?

Cmon now...

 

[Skandranon]

but wish her whorish behavior would be more of an issue for the champion and have some tension here and there

I crave toxicity

Wouldn't work I think.

For all the discourse around Cait being a "whore"....she's barely any sluttier than anyone else. Less slutty than some others tbh.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

I don't hate Cait.

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In fact, I like her a lot. As a friend with benefits, not as a lover. Which might explain why I, unlike a lot of people in here, don't lose my mind over her acting like a whore.

Different folks, different strokes.

To me, Cait is overpushed even for a deuteragonist. I don't find her charismatic enough to be a close friend and she's rather lacking for a romantic interest.

She does start things but...

 

[MoneyMan181]

In fact, I like her a lot. As a friend with benefits, not as a lover. Which might explain why I, unlike a lot of people in here, don't lose my mind over her acting like a whore.

Yes because that is the only thing people could take issue with and that is why Anno who has the same premise is so hated /s

 

[Titan king]

I couldn't care less about Cait, tbh most times I forget that she exists because I leave her in the Frosthound and don't visit that place

 

[Jbuster]

Wouldn't work I think.

For all the discourse around Cait being a "whore"....she's barely any sluttier than anyone else. Less slutty than some others tbh.

It's less about her being a slut and more of caring about her sluttery for me, but yeah because almost everyone is the same it would't work that great

Having said that, who outslutted her?, who's the Mr. Slave to her Paris Hilton?

 

[Nimbus Commando]

I don't hate Cait.

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In fact, I like her a lot. As a friend with benefits, not as a lover. Which might explain why I, unlike a lot of people in here, don't lose my mind over her acting like a whore.

No shit you would, you have terrible taste.

 

[Skandranon]

It's less about her being a slut and more of caring about her sluttery for me, but yeah because almost everyone is the same it would't work that great

Having said that, who outslutted her?, who's the Mr. Slave to her Paris Hilton?

Well, the PC for one. I would wager even an average PC outsluts her every day of the week. The centaurs prostitute, the femboy centaur who just bangs people all day for free, probably Kas...

She just doesn't do much really? She has sex with a few if your companions (common), she gets in some three Somes (allof which you're also in) and very occasionally she bangs someone you sic her on.

Idk, I just wouldn't hand her any slut of the year prizes.

Even her sex menu is mostly just...vanilla.

If it were up to me I would have had her whole sex menu have absolutely ridiculous names. Like " the Jassiran Jangler!", and the tool tips are all just ??? Until you actually do it. Then you find out it's just like, a blowjob from behind while she fondles your balls, while she indignantly insisted it's a time honored technique passed down through the ages.

Fun stuff.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Well, the PC for one. I would wager even an average PC outsluts her every day of the week. The centaurs prostitute, the femboy centaur who just bangs people all day for free, probably Kas...

She just doesn't do much really? She has sex with a few if your companions (common), she gets in some three Somes (allof which you're also in) and very occasionally she bangs someone you sic her on.

Idk, I just wouldn't hand her any slut of the year prizes.

Even her sex menu is mostly just...vanilla.

If it were up to me I would have had her whole sex menu have absolutely ridiculous names. Like " the Jassiran Jangler!", and the tool tips are all just ??? Until you actually do it. Then you find out it's just like, a blowjob from behind while she fondles your balls, while she indignantly insisted it's a time honored technique passed down through the ages.

Fun stuff.

For one, centaur prostitutes aren't being shoved down my (player's) throat at every opportunity throughout the entire main (and most side) plot of the game. Unlike the pink cat slut.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Well, the PC for one.

Not every PC is the same, you know. Legendary champion I'm a Moron's only passion is using grenades on demons. Nothing of this sluttery shit.

 

[Jbuster]

Not every PC is the same, you know. Legendary champion I'm a Moron's only passion is using grenades on demons. Nothing of this sluttery shit.

Based

 

[Azriel Satan]

That preg expansion was being worked on by OreoLuma. He mentioned back in February that Clementine's preg scenes are finished and in review. So there's a big chance we're gonna see them added during Mayternity.