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"I say we let them exist and just periodically beat them up to make sure they don't err again!" says Nida.
♫ I can't believe that the leopards are eating my face ♫
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Funny how the PCs we come up with can be rather straight to the point and would've probably eventually found ways to solve the issues if SavCo doesn't get in the way.
...I mean, I'm a Moron would just bomb every problem with grenades but still.
Eh.
From what I've seen so far (which doesn't include your OC and, honestly speaking, probably never will), the only types of demons found were pretty much evil and never either did a good job of passing a different view or just never cared about it, being card-carrying evildoers. But let's say we do have demons who are unwilling to be as they are.
So what, then? Isn't this the land where people can change just about everything in them? Don't like being a demon? Pursue salvation, get some item to undo it. It's not even inaccessible or anything, it's probably laying down somewhere near the eggs and the horsedick frasks the PC stumbles upon regularly. Even killing them might come off as a good deed, you're freeing a soul from its tainted body, ending their corrupted existence.
If your OC is a demon and you didn't expect that sort of treatment then I really don't know what to tell you.
Emphasis on used to, friend.
They're no longer capable of thinking and feeling as ordinary people do anymore. They're aberrations that have lost empathy, and love- they have vague memories of those things as demonstrated by the big baddy and her obsession with playing at romance. But they can't experience those things anymore. Sure, they're victims- but again, they're like zombies. Special infected from Left 4 Dead. I can pity a boomer even as I shoot it to make sure it doesn't end up spreading it's bile all over me and my friends. The boomer might not want to do what it does, and it sure didn't choose that undeath, but once it's at that point it's a little late to reach out with kindness and compassion and hope friendship will cure them.
The difference between a zombie and a CoC demon is that the zombie virus has to kill the host in order to assert it's control and propagate through the masses, while a demon needs people to be, y'know, alive. Demons do not need to kill anyone to win in the end, they just need to spread corruption, and they do that merely by existing. They also can't help but WANT to do it, they want to have nonstop sex, they want to fuck souls out of people, they want to lead people astray, they don't see it as a big deal at all- they don't see anything short of their own death as a big deal worth being concerned over. Their IDEAL APPROACH TO ALL OF THIS, would be us accepting them as neighbors and friends and just laughing it off every time they drain the soul out of our friends and family. Farrah isn't being kind and cooperative or rising above her demonic instincts, she's just spreading the corruption in a way that your character can, for whatever reason, choose to just... Watch. Accept as it happens in their own domain.
That isn't proof of what you think it is, buddy. If anything, it exposes how deeply brainwashed you've gotten that it's totally cool to have your empathy, compassion, and humanity literally raped out of you and to become a hedonistic husk driven by nothing but carnal instincts and foggy memories of how you used to be before you were 'infected' and started spreading the 'infection'.
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The problem I have is that, again, in just about any other setting or context, the protagonist would kill or at the very least imprison Kalysea to stop her from doing any further harm to anyone. The instant it became clear she was just as corruptive as the demons, in the middle of the spread of corruption, she would seen as a threat to be gotten rid of as soon as possible. But she is an OC that you've paid to have included in the game. She is immune to the consequences of her actions in the mechanics of the game. She is planning to brainwash everyone with her ball stank, but the player can only choose to ignore her, same as with Farrah. The player can't resist her stank, either. Any amount of interaction with her is complete defeat, which is what makes her a Mary Sue OC. Nobody wants to pay Savin and his team to include a 'kill that villain' button.
If we're being charitable, the best outcome from a narrative perspective we can hope to have implied is that the player ignored her so another hero or some other villain can show up and kill her while we were apparently not doing anything about her somewhere else.
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This isn't a personal attack on you. I'm not trying to insult you personally, this is just fetish fuel, I get it, it's a fantasy to fap to and forget about. But for anyone that takes the narrative at all seriously, the demons are a plague, and people like Kalysea are no better than Tollus and his freaky cult, trying to spread their own strains of the plague without any concern for the consequences or the lives they're ruining. That makes them villains, and monsters, that in ANY OTHER GAME, ANY OTHER SETTING, would be slain by the protagonist. But she enjoys special protections as a paid OC, and that rubs people the wrong way, especially when you try to make the claim that it's a morally superior choice than eliminating all the demons.
Because if your answer to a zombie outbreak is that we all try to give the zombies a chance to acclimate to us, while they're actively spreading the virus to everyone, and keep taking bites out of us- 'but it's okay guys, that was an accident, haha, laugh it off'- then it's very difficult to take your argument as one being made in good faith and not just OC glazing. "She's morally ambiguous and justifiable in that your genocidal actions are worse!" It's not the argument you think it is when killing off plague rats...
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I'll assume this is just a misunderstanding and not done maliciously.
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"I say we let them exist and just periodically beat them up to make sure they don't err again!" says Nida.
♫ I can't believe that the leopards are eating my face ♫
I quite literally said in my post it's likely impossible for there to be any kind of willing peace, so we're in agreement on that but then you quote specific parts of the post out of context to make it seems like I'm saying something else.
My point is that Kalysea isn't playing nice with the demons, she actively wants to restrict their free will and force them to conform under her influence. That's her endgame. Much like Miquella from Elden Ring if you're familiar, unity through service to a higher cause. It's a lofty goal, and would probably fail long term, but she's trying it. You said yourself the demons at the wayfort behave due to strength of arms, the spores are her solution to that.
(Also this response fits into the comments after too.)
Doesnt CoC1 literally have a Traveling "friendly" succubus with a guy around that, while heavily corrupted already (hes using a wheel cart to lug his balls around...) is not demonified yet and the two bicker about that topic and ask you to make a decision for them. Guy kinda doesnt wanna, succ absolutely does. If you dont encourage him he doesnt turn... at least not during the time you play the game.
But dont take this as me disagreeing with you. Demons and their Corruption are like a pestillence, not easily contained and certainly not possible to cohabit with.
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This quote is a good example of how frustrating this forum can be, sorry for picking your post in particular but: I said her ending would likely be considered a 'bad ending' despite the alternative also being fucked. Both options suck, neither are particularly virtuous roads to take when the blood still and the ashes settle.
I feel like people are simply not reading my posts properly, or their brains are putting in extra words where there are none because we're on some perceived 'different team' and therefore cannot find any ground to agree on, the post must be wrong, despite agreeing to the same thing in both posts.
Kalysea is not a morally just person.
Demons are monsters with only fragments of humanity left. Imps having none.
These things are true, I agree!
Some points made here are good and I agree with, but they're soured so heavily by the misunderstanding in other points in the posts. I'd like to share my ideas here and bridge the gap between the two main CoC2 communities but I often feel like there is no desire to have a discussion due to lingering bias, only to echo chamber the same sentiments that make people feel justified in their overall opinions on the game, or that people are worried about being targetted by the vitriol some members here display so they conform. I'll try to ramble less and keep my opinions short and concise from now on, in interest of making them more understandable, so there can be no room for misunderstanding.
Each and every demon is an active combatant (once again, Farrah is the only exception that doesn't attack everyone on sight), it is neither a genocide (it wouldn't be a genocide even if they weren't active combatants, because they are neither a racial or ethnic group) nor a crime whenever a demon is killed.
Most of the normal people have died along with their souls, leaving only corrupted, evil, irredeemable monsters that wear their faces. They don't keep their "normal" personality or ethical compass, they all become evil, powerhungry monsters, without exception.
Wayfort is not coexistence. Both Alraune and Behemoth are beaten into submission and enslaved by the Champion, while Farrah is the exception, even though she actively continues to spread corruption and eating people's souls.
Once again Farrah is the walking argument against this silly "not all demons are bad" argument, she consciously spreads corruptiong and turns people into demons, but has enough cunning to utilize subterfuge by pretending to be peaceful.
Kasyrra could be argued as the closest one to "coexistence", until you remember that she built an entire castle filled with breeding slaves churning out thousants of imps. And that she's personally leading the charge of spreading corruption and turning people into demons.
About that DnD stuff: So she just wants to mind controll and enslave everyone. That's neither righteous, nor morally gray - that's straight up just an evil maniac who wants to rule the world. GTFO with trying to portray that as anything good.
There will not be "endless fighting", since Tollus, Kasyrra and their cult are the main driving force behind spreading corruption (and in fact the sole reason why demons even exist in this world) - once they're dealt with, people won't be turning into demons en masse anymore. Then it's only a matter of cleaning up whatever scraps of demonic forces are left, and that's it. No more demons, and never will be.
No, if you agree with the dude about not turning into an incubus, the next time you get that encounter again - his "friendly" succubus GF just rapes him and turns him into a demon by force anyway.
An example of subterfuge and cunning from a demon, dropping all pretences the moment Champ ruins her plan.
Your words couldn't be any clearer. You labeled everyone who disagrees with you as genocide perpetrators. And argued that demons should just be allowed to freely live and spread corruption, intentionally omitting that it's exactly what led to events of CoC1.
I see right through your manipulation.
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Kaly wants to force the demons to serve under a greater will where they can do no harm in a symbiotic relationship.Your words couldn't be any clearer. You labeled everyone who disagrees with you as genocide perpetrators. And argued that demons should just be allowed to freely live and spread corruption, intentionally omitting that it's exactly what led to events of CoC1.
I see right through your manipulation.
"demons should be allowed to live freely and spread corruption,"
Yup, these are 100% the same thing. I see nothing wrong here.
"You labeled everyone who disagrees with you as genocide perpetrators."
Disagrees with me on what, exactly? The definition of genocide? Here, let me help with a google search: " the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. " Now, you can maybe argue of the definition of 'people' meaning exclusively humans, but that's a slippery slope, especially considering all the non-human races in the setting.
"I see right through your manipulation."
Irony levels are off the charts.
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Don't actively follow this too much, but is there any idea when "In her Footsteps" is gonna continue?
(Edit to shrink the post down, sorry about that.)
The majority on this forum, (at least as far as I've seen), approach the story as you would a legitimate story. They're absorbing it, reading deeper into it, rationalizing it- and critiquing the plot holes or strange limitations put in place. The CoC2 community seem to have a very different approach, (and again, this is based entirely on what I've seen), they seem to prefer viewing it as fetish fuel and largely disposable, a waifu sim first and all the lore is there to make it more marketable or something but isn't worth thinking too deeply on. We have folks questioning the political structure, economy, and technology of the setting, trying to make it all make sense.
I don't think either side is wrong, it's that old Star Trek versus Star Wars community debate. One wants detailed, fleshed out, and logical narratives- and the other's there for the quick minute to minute thrills and feel good plots that ask you not to think about them past a surface level. Everyone's free to enjoy whatever they enjoy as far as I'm concerned, but I definitely fall more in the camp of reading deeper into things. I would like the setting and the narrative to make sense. I would like to immerse myself in whatever world I'm reading about, and think about how I'd approach life there.
TLDR; I don't hate Kaly, I'm just thinking about her whole deal logically rather than fetishistically or romantically. As you have pointed out, she is a bad end waiting to happen that will impact a very large area. She's perfectly comfortable ruining individual lives if it suits her goals, so trusting her with brainwashing spore towers isn't a good idea no matter how you slice it. Giving her that level of control over the people around her would only be for the entirely misguided 'moral good' of sparing demons, who have no souls anyway, they're just corpses with a pulse and access to the memories and carnal instincts of their former lives. Intelligent zombies. So letting Kaly do what she wants to do just because it's more merciful towards these twisted parodies of my former neighbors is just.. Bluh.. Missing the forest through the trees, letting everyone still alive down to cling onto the people that are already gone.
And that's fine. It's fine that she exists, but I just wish she wasn't wearing OC-armor and could be dealt with before she can do any harm to the people around me. Like it or not, rape, brainwashing, stripping someone of their identity is not cool. I wouldn't want my kids, my mother, my father, my brother, my strange uncle that always smells funny, or my pet dog to fall prey to demons, OR to Kaly's ball stank spore brainwashing. No matter how much she might promise not to use those on 'the innocent', she's shown that she's an end-justifies-the-means kind of girl and sees nothing wrong with ruining individual lives.
She is a monster that needs to be slain before she can hurt someone incapable of defending themselves. There are worse fates than death, and I'd rather be a murderer than someone that doomed the world to slavery and corruption.
I'm giving you my feedback and opinion on the character and her narrative. I think she needs to be stopped, and given the present circumstances, that kiiiiinda means putting her down, y'know? 'cause apparently, her balls brainwash people immediately without any hope of resisting and does so shamelessly, so she's as much of a problem as Kass in some ways and should be treated as such.
I'm sorry you're feeling frustrated, but at least personally, I have no bias against any communities, only the game's present state and the way the developers react to criticism. Again, I'm not trying to attack you or discourage you in any way, I'm just sharing my perspective and what I believe the majority's perspective is on this forum. I don't hate that Kaly exists, my only complaint is that the narrator makes any interactions with Kaly into an instant loss with no ability to do the reasonable thing and cut her down when her intentions become clear.
The majority on this forum, (at least as far as I've seen), approach the story as you would a legitimate story. They're absorbing it, reading deeper into it, rationalizing it- and critiquing the plot holes or strange limitations put in place. The CoC2 community seem to have a very different approach, (and again, this is based entirely on what I've seen), they seem to prefer viewing it as fetish fuel and largely disposable, a waifu sim first and all the lore is there to make it more marketable or something but isn't worth thinking too deeply on. We have folks questioning the political structure, economy, and technology of the setting, trying to make it all make sense.
I don't think either side is wrong, it's that old Star Trek versus Star Wars community debate. One wants detailed, fleshed out, and logical narratives- and the other's there for the quick minute to minute thrills and feel good plots that ask you not to think about them past a surface level. Everyone's free to enjoy whatever they enjoy as far as I'm concerned, but I definitely fall more in the camp of reading deeper into things. I would like the setting and the narrative to make sense. I would like to immerse myself in whatever world I'm reading about, and think about how I'd approach life there.
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TLDR; I don't hate Kaly, I'm just thinking about her whole deal logically rather than fetishistically or romantically. As you have pointed out, she is a bad end waiting to happen that will impact a very large area. She's perfectly comfortable ruining individual lives if it suits her goals, so trusting her with brainwashing spore towers isn't a good idea no matter how you slice it. Giving her that level of control over the people around her would only be for the entirely misguided 'moral good' of sparing demons, who have no souls anyway, they're just corpses with a pulse and access to the memories and carnal instincts of their former lives. Intelligent zombies. So letting Kaly do what she wants to do just because it's more merciful towards these twisted parodies of my former neighbors is just.. Bluh.. Missing the forest through the trees, letting everyone still alive down to cling onto the people that are already gone.
And that's fine. It's fine that she exists, but I just wish she wasn't wearing OC-armor and could be dealt with before she can do any harm to the people around me. Like it or not, rape, brainwashing, stripping someone of their identity is not cool. I wouldn't want my kids, my mother, my father, my brother, my strange uncle that always smells funny, or my pet dog to fall prey to demons, OR to Kaly's ball stank spore brainwashing. No matter how much she might promise not to use those on 'the innocent', she's shown that she's an end-justifies-the-means kind of girl and sees nothing wrong with ruining individual lives.
She is a monster that needs to be slain before she can hurt someone incapable of defending themselves. There are worse fates than death, and I'd rather be a murderer than someone that doomed the world to slavery and corruption.
I'm giving you my feedback and opinion on the character and her narrative. I think she needs to be stopped, and given the present circumstances, that kiiiiinda means putting her down, y'know? 'cause apparently, her balls brainwash people immediately without any hope of resisting and does so shamelessly, so she's as much of a problem as Kass in some ways and should be treated as such.
Thought Id throw my 2 cents into the classic storm that is this forum. Too many specific comments to reply to so here is my ramble.
I consider CoC2 in a higher level of suspension of disbelief considering its a porn game than I would other stuff.
Personally I like Kalysea mostly for her scenes first off, but I also get the whole thing where, to the PC what she is doing is sorta objectively evil. I also sorta consider her sort of in the light of "a lesser evil than the demons which will have to be dealt with later". Like the demons are wholly more of a issue than a single Centaur. Sure they sort of want a similar result of loss of self but they hate each other a lot, and Kaly still has her soul so could maybe be reasoned with. Sort of enemy of my enemy thing.
Also partially because I like to play my character as like, she enjoys some of the stuff Kas is doing but hates the actual like removal of souls and self, thus indulges more than she should but still fights against demons. Like if Kas cant be saved my champ isn't gonna sell out the world and would kill Kas, as a mercy. Again thats just how I see my champ, and I don't expect anyone else to think the same way.
As for the demons themselves, yes evil, but I keep them around for if they get more content alot of the time, since we all know how slow dev time can be. This has sorta been said but yeah the strong willed ones has memories of what it was like to be human, Kas again being the best example of this. To me it seems like she doesn't really want to do what shes doing but she literally cannot care about it even if she tried. Its why she treats the champ the way she does, because she remembers what caring was like and wants to fake it a bit more.
What remains of their humanity varies, which actually reminds me of the Apostle in the start of Berserk, he gets a offer for more power in exchange for his daughter but, despite the fact that hes already a demon he still cared about her enough to reject that offer.
Anyways, ramble, I suck at writing. Two cents from random internet forum user hah. Oh and I get the complaints about plot inconsistency, but I just dont usually care as much and save it for (imo) better, less smutty stories.
I consider CoC2 in a higher level of suspension of disbelief considering its a porn game than I would other stuff.
Personally I like Kalysea mostly for her scenes first off, but I also get the whole thing where, to the PC what she is doing is sorta objectively evil. I also sorta consider her sort of in the light of "a lesser evil than the demons which will have to be dealt with later". Like the demons are wholly more of a issue than a single Centaur. Sure they sort of want a similar result of loss of self but they hate each other a lot, and Kaly still has her soul so could maybe be reasoned with. Sort of enemy of my enemy thing.
Also partially because I like to play my character as like, she enjoys some of the stuff Kas is doing but hates the actual like removal of souls and self, thus indulges more than she should but still fights against demons. Like if Kas cant be saved my champ isn't gonna sell out the world and would kill Kas, as a mercy. Again thats just how I see my champ, and I don't expect anyone else to think the same way.
As for the demons themselves, yes evil, but I keep them around for if they get more content alot of the time, since we all know how slow dev time can be. This has sorta been said but yeah the strong willed ones has memories of what it was like to be human, Kas again being the best example of this. To me it seems like she doesn't really want to do what shes doing but she literally cannot care about it even if she tried. Its why she treats the champ the way she does, because she remembers what caring was like and wants to fake it a bit more.
What remains of their humanity varies, which actually reminds me of the Apostle in the start of Berserk, he gets a offer for more power in exchange for his daughter but, despite the fact that hes already a demon he still cared about her enough to reject that offer.
Anyways, ramble, I suck at writing. Two cents from random internet forum user hah. Oh and I get the complaints about plot inconsistency, but I just dont usually care as much and save it for (imo) better, less smutty stories.
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Honestly, same. That's how I figure demons win in most circumstances, they don't have to attack you, they don't have to appear unreasonable or cruel, they offer you things you want, pleasure, power, knowledge, longevity, beauty. All they need to do to spread their corruption is continue to exist, and breed. So the rational side of the coin is always to reject them outright and get rid of them as soon as possible, buuuuut.. Feeling good feels good, and some of them are very good at making people feel good. (Even if it just boils down to whether or not they cater to their target's specific fetishes at the end of the day.)
For all my talk of killing the demons, I think that I'd probably cave in pretty fast to the right temptations. There's a difference between knowing the right thing to do, and actually choosing to do it instead of indulging. "What if Slaanesh temptations, but more horse cock and less crab claw?"
I mean, Slaanesh it appeals perfectly to the recipient as its whole thing so ya know. If horse cock is whats corrupts you hahaha.
Like any rational person, I'm sexually aroused by crab claws and extraneous third arms. *Nod, nod.*
wait she does?
Oh my goodness. My entire world view. Shattered instantly.
They say the memory is the first thing to go...
I did?
You might have misread the entire thing.
Hmm...
I always feel like an idiot when I have to explain a post because that means it wasn't written in an understandable way to begin with
Still~
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And there's other things to. Unless you're romancing Kas (which presumably a PC isn't during the demon genocide flavored run) exactly ZERO (0) of the seven inform you that you can fix demonification. You only find out about a potential "cure" if
- You romance Kas
- You build the temple
- You three way with Cait until she gets Mallach's attention
Hmm... I think. I'll be honest it's been a long time since I've actually combed through the games lore. Maybe Lumia tells you.
Anyways, trust me when I say there's a lot of things we can talk about when it comes to a demon cure. But, that's not part of the conversation so we'll avoid all of that.
To broken record this again for clarity
I was disagreeing in entirety with this statement
No, you clearly argued for demons to coexist freely among normal people. I.E. keep spreading their corruption.
Now you're backing down and moving goalposts.
Last I checked demons were neither a nation nor an ethnic group. And people aren't born demons, it's a fucking plague that forcefully corrupts people and turns them into demons. Akin to bubonic plague, and it should be treated accordingly.
The only irony here is how shitty your manipulation tactics are.