Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[YouShallNotLol]

Are there any other games like this that are primarily just narratively driven with small avatars and static illustrations with actual gameplay and stats that are this in depth but also finished?

And to be clear i don't care if it is NSFW or not, I just like the indie aesthetic and the way it basically all in your head with just a few illustrative guides along the way and I think it is really commendable the way they recognize the people that are responsible for their own sections.

I wouldn't be praising Savin and his clique so blindly, if I were you. Did you know that Berwyn was a companion in the past, just like Cait, Brint and others? What if I told you that he was removed from companions and was reduced to a side character because the writer responsible for Berwyn (HugsAlright) was bullied out of the dev group. And besides Berwyn, all of Hugs' characters will remain forever unfinished unless Savin decides to remove them from the game completely, like they already did with manticore cunt-tails and the entire resolve mechanic.
Let's just say, there's a veritable bottomless mire of drama and infighting among the developers team and delving into all of that is exhausting, so I'll stop here.

Now about the similar games. There are a few of them in this niche.
Ones that come to mind:
The original Corruption of Champions, made by Fenoxo, from which this game (CoC2) was derived from. And the only game which is completed in the entire genre niche.
Trials in Tainted Space, game from the same guy (Fenoxo) who made the original CoC. Still in development.
Lilith's Throne, a game with a much bigger emphasis on transformations and player customization than even original CoC was.
Degrees of Lewdity (debatably), which is more of a life simulator than an adventure story.
Flexible Survival. Though I never played that one myself, I do know that that game is quite archaic, operating on a keyboard command input (where you manually type in commands like "attack").

 

[A Burning Conscience]

I'll throw in BDCC (Broken Dreams Correctional Centre). The writing is a lot poorer, but mechanically it's a far more solid title, with an active and appreciated modding scene. Set in a sci-fi furry world, you're incarcerated into a maximum security asteroid prison which is one part slave camp, two parts free-sex party, one part social experiment, and 100% unethical. Mostly bondage, free-use, and pregnancy themed, and each of the major characters is getting plenty of focus from the dev to give them their own unique stories. Plus you can have a combat style of throwing condoms at your enemies, filled with various fluids.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

Yeah I said it, Esdeath is a bitch ass <removed>, whatchu gonna do, call Obamamna?

No. He's not enough. I'm calling the Power Rangers Space Patrol Delta.

Damn, the design is amazing. I just hope she isn't written by SKoW, literally anyone else is fine.

The monkey's paw curls, bubblelord will return to write her and ship her with drunksune.

Whish there was a kicking mechanic for Lyric, (this in no way means I wanna bully her, just add something else to the combat mechanic), that would make her truly adoring

The only use for a kobold is punting into battle.

See, that's the thing with his shtick. And you weren't even aware of the background of Kinu's drama when you've read it.

They were proud of it too.

Tobs so proud he left them forsaken. Abandoned them like he makes the champion do. Tobs is so committed to giving his characters daddy issues that the only possible next step was for he himself, as their creator and father, to abandon them. He left them to get cigarettes and found a bust red wolf girl.

like they already did with manticore cunt-tails

Their denial of the creative potential in the scorpion cunt tail makes me sad to this day. It would even fit with the futadom focus and they refuse. The manticore women shall inherit the earth.

Let's just say, there's a veritable bottomless mire of drama and infighting among the developers team and delving into all of that is exhausting, so I'll stop here.

Maybe there should be a doc of all the drama and backstory. Even some of us who were there for CoC1 and FoE like me were unaware of some of the stuff prior to this thread. I was only there for the Marble age drama, Izma dedickening, and the return of Hugs drama.

Now about the similar games. There are a few of them in this niche.
Ones that come to mind:

Would LustDoll Plus count in this genre? That's one I like.

Can't wait for the long threatened hive quest rewrite to remove content because they want people to stop asking for corruption content in the game with corruption in the title.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

Tell me, what other fantasy race would be a good fit for coc?

Spoiler: Dwarves for one. Especially if they're nice and chonky shortstacks.

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Also Drow/Dark Elves. I get that Savin probably wanted his Elves to be "different",

Spoiler: But come on! Who can't resist some chocolate Elves!?

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Though for some less generic/mainstream suggestions,

Spoiler: Lizardfolk. The only other one in the game is Pavo from the Kervas camp and that's it.

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Finally, if you want a REALLY obscure fantasy race...

Spoiler: We have Houri, a sort of Angelic counterpart to a Succubus

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[A Burning Conscience]

Tell me, what other fantasy race would be a good fit for coc?

Maybe better utilise the ones it already has? So far all these stolen concepts have just devolved into excuses for futa women with horse cocks.

The gnolls have gotten no love, with their representative character (half-gnoll spellblade from Cait's quests) being completely forgotten. They could have been a formally dominant power in the region who has remained relatively unchanged by the gods war because of their nomadic and hind-bound tribal society, who have perhaps one of the best records of that period because of their strong oral (not in that sense) traditions.

The Orcs are just more Vikings at the moment, despite the fact that the lupines have been characterised as scandanavian. The wolf-folk could be spun off and rebranded as Saxon, which is a little subtle of a distinction, but at the time either side would have murdered you over getting that wrong.

Both driders have been completely abandoned, despite their stories being complimentary with the seer looking for a potential monarch, and the "Queen" being clearly a very lonely and desperate woman. They also have no exploration of their background at all.

The goblins. We have two FOUR now (but two are enemies, and one's a demon now, so do they really count?). One is sexable but turned out to be just another futa. The other has been abandoned. Who are these creatures? Where do they come from? What is their relationship to the hobgoblins? Speaking of, what is up with the hobgoblins?

The Elementals. A side effect of the mostly forgotten about summoning circle and its implications, it's been shown that the extra-planer powers are fully sapient and have their own influences on Savarra. Maybe they'd be a good explanation as well for what the hell is up with the THREE separate examples of living statues (gargoyle, purifying water fountain, male/female sex statues).

The Dryads. I personally HATE the dryads. Why? Because they're fucking Warcraft dryads. Given Moira takes her marching orders from Sav and TOBS, it shows that they have no understanding of any of these creatures outside of their mainstream media depictions (TOBS weabooisms, compared to actual fucking Japanese folklore). But they're in the game, and they contribute nothing. Maybe the spirits of nature and the wyld old faith could actually mean something, especially seeing as they're pivotal to the core conflict of the elves.

Another forgotten one, Pixies! We have Ninnian, and that's it. Maybe that should be explored at all? Or even finished? No? Oh well.

The naga. We have one (excluding the wraith pretending it's a god), and she's interesting, but she's also a weird quasi-immortal fur snake. Maybe we could get some actual snake people. There's cold climate snakes, or we could see them as yet another invading force in the region.

Oh, and there's the most staple and common fantasy race of all, who's in the vast majority of fantasy media... HUMANS. Right now we don't actually have a HUMAN culture. We have representation, but not a culture. Sanders and his daughter are both characterised by their relation to Lumia (even though Sanders converted to Velun, but still uses the same design aesthetic, verbiage, and I'm pretty sure they just forgot he serves a different god who's meant to be a Green-man archetype. Wouldn't that be cool? If the Human dominant faction had supplanted the wood elf niche and green tabbareded hunter crusaders raucously chased the enemies of the faith through the woods? A Masculine depiction to the whole breeder cult thing most of the other gods have going in, a celebration of Virility to compliment Fertility?). But Lumia is not a goddess of humans, she's a goddess of the orcs and the Valkyries. What was human culture? Because the Belharan culture was predominatly Minotaur. So was all human culture subsumed by the Belharan-Roman one? Or was there a distinct, perhaps none generic European, human society?

Anyway, that's my rant for the night. Rip and tear as you will.

 

[Pizza Lord]

Aight hear me out...

Ugh! Gross! He eats brains with those things!

 

[Knife-wielding crab]

Ugh! Gross! He eats brains with those things!

Not in a porn game. He succs you with those things

 

[was435]

Flexible Survival. Though I never played that one myself, I do know that that game is quite archaic, operating on a keyboard command input (where you manually type in commands like "attack").

Yeah not ready to quite go that far. Those super early games that are even older than I am are not necessarily my thing, I just like the aesthetic and style of this one. It kinda reads like a single player D&D campaign which I think is fun.

Trials in Tainted Space, game from the same guy (Fenoxo) who made the original CoC. Still in development.

I have tried TiTS but I wasn't digging it so much, but that was several years ago so maybe my tastes have changed since then.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

Ugh! Gross! He eats brains with those things!

They also have to consciously control every aspect of their host body. So if he's popping an erection, that's not an animal response, that's because he really wants you in that moment. He ain't body horny, he's mentally into you if he's willing to waste concentration on pumping up a boner. At least... until Larrion pissed all over the established cannon of Illithids.

 

[Essta]

Spoiler: Dwarves for one. Especially if they're nice and chonky shortstacks.

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Beardless dwarfes? You heretic...

 

[Pizza Lord]

The gnolls have gotten no love, with their representative character (half-gnoll spellblade from Cait's quests) being completely forgotten.

Oh, that gnoll spellblade has such a beautiful look. The black nipples just peeking above her corset with her breasts all squished in. I definitely still check on her at the church, but yes, sadly she's still comatose.

Spoiler: Gnoll Spellblade

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Oh, she has a naked bust! ON NO! She has a penis! (I am not sharing that photo). Unless that's some kind of... oversized, ebony gnoll clit... I don't want to look closer... My dreams... my heart...

Both driders have been completely abandoned, despite their stories being complimentary with the seer looking for a potential monarch, and the "Queen" being clearly a very lonely and desperate woman. They also have no exploration of their background at all.

They aren't abandoned, just not required. I know Drider Queen was expanded to where she brings you home (or at least closer to it). She's keeping it a secret for now, since she's still just learning to trust a mate that's more stable than just an ambush breeding, and she's not sure how her daughters or 'subjects' would respond. Champ is training/teaching her to love cuddling. I definitely know there's more content being written and the intention is that when the Drider 'city' is more fleshed that Izlahnti the drider seer will join the queen there (potentially, I don't think she has to).

The goblins. We have two now. One is sexable but turned out to be just another futa. The other has been abandoned.

Yeah, not a lot of goblins. The Cult Evangelist in Harvest Valley and the Goblin Succubus are technically. I kind of think those are Nelia's daughters, but that's only because of the lack of goblins in the area other than her wandering daughters, and I can't truly confirm that. As for saying Nelia is abandoned, that's not really true. She's always been a town/merchant character and not intended for sex (I know people would like it, but like Ivris or Ogrish, they aren't supposed to be. Maybe in a dream scene). And she still shows up and takes part in things, including quests that need clothing or items, like weddings. Not fair to say she's abandoned. It is fair to say there's a dearth of goblin mates.

The Dryads. ... But they're in the game, and they contribute nothing. Maybe the spirits of nature and the wyld old faith could actually mean something, especially seeing as they're pivotal to the core conflict of the elves.

I loved playing with Grainne, she was so innocent and pure, and one of the first tauric interactions I had. Not a fan of Orlaith, but that's because her penis is bigger than mine, but her scenes are definitely fun with the interactions with Doreiann and teaching her the joys of blowjobs and basically turning her into a needy cock-sucking lover (she loves getting them). I don't know how much they can contribute, they are mostly tied to their groves and locations. There is the corrupted one in the druid stronghold, but obviously that ones not going anywhere.

As for races that aren't in the game, Dwarves are about the only mainstream one. Not sure if their women should have beards or not.
For races in the game that aren't represented: pigfolk and bearfolk are in the game, and sheepfolk only really have Clementine and Noire. Lizardfolk have Pavo (who isn't really interactable beyond the opening of the Orc Warcamp quest) and Yonzon in Khor'minos, but he seems popular.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

Sanders hogging the gnoll woman all to himself proves he's not for the bros.

Reject the vanilla dwarves, embrace the world of gacha game shortstacks and the glory of draphs

 

[Tamsay]

Sanders hogging the gnoll woman all to himself proves he's not for the bros.

Reject the vanilla dwarves, embrace the world of gacha game shortstacks and the glory of draphs

Im in. Just... please delete the part about small children having boobs. I still have a gag reflex when I recall reading Yaia's entry in GBF wiki.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

Im in. Just... please delete the part about small children having boobs. I still have a gag reflex when I recall reading Yaia's entry in GBF wiki.

I didn't know that part why does the small child have an SSR that's designed like that wtf. Yeah that should've never made it passed editing and I'm concerned. I was only thinking of the Onee-san with the big ass sword.

 

[Jbuster]

I didn't know that part why does the small child have an SSR that's designed like that wtf. Yeah that should've never made it passed editing and I'm concerned. I was only thinking of the Onee-san with the big ass sword.

Never dive too deep into the world of gacha, only doom awaits for you there

Not in a porn game. He succs you with those things

Me when the ultra advanced being made of pure mental energy slightly blushes due to my animalistic need to mate (gonna tease those tentacles till he melt into a puddle)

Yeah not ready to quite go that far. Those super early games that are even older than I am are not necessarily my thing, I just like the aesthetic and style of this one. It kinda reads like a single player D&D campaign which I think is fun.

I have tried TiTS but I wasn't digging it so much, but that was several years ago so maybe my tastes have changed since then.

I don't know if anyone mentioned it but there are strive I and II, you can make your own character and become the owner of a state, choose which guild you want to support, go on quests and get slave, is pretty fun

Oh, that gnoll spellblade has such a beautiful look. The black nipples just peeking above her corset with her breasts all squished in. I definitely still check on her at the church, but yes, sadly she's still comatose.

Spoiler: Gnoll Spellblade

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Oh, she has a naked bust! ON NO! She has a penis! (I am not sharing that photo). Unless that's some kind of... oversized, ebony gnoll clit... I don't want to look closer... My dreams... my heart...

They aren't abandoned, just not required. I know Drider Queen was expanded to where she brings you home (or at least closer to it). She's keeping it a secret for now, since she's still just learning to trust a mate that's more stable than just an ambush breeding, and she's not sure how her daughters or 'subjects' would respond. Champ is training/teaching her to love cuddling. I definitely know there's more content being written and the intention is that when the Drider 'city' is more fleshed that Izlahnti the drider seer will join the queen there (potentially, I don't think she has to).


Yeah, not a lot of goblins. The Cult Evangelist in Harvest Valley and the Goblin Succubus are technically. I kind of think those are Nelia's daughters, but that's only because of the lack of goblins in the area other than her wandering daughters, and I can't truly confirm that. As for saying Nelia is abandoned, that's not really true. She's always been a town/merchant character and not intended for sex (I know people would like it, but like Ivris or Ogrish, they aren't supposed to be. Maybe in a dream scene). And she still shows up and takes part in things, including quests that need clothing or items, like weddings. Not fair to say she's abandoned. It is fair to say there's a dearth of goblin mates.


I loved playing with Grainne, she was so innocent and pure, and one of the first tauric interactions I had. Not a fan of Orlaith, but that's because her penis is bigger than mine, but her scenes are definitely fun with the interactions with Doreiann and teaching her the joys of blowjobs and basically turning her into a needy cock-sucking lover (she loves getting them). I don't know how much they can contribute, they are mostly tied to their groves and locations. There is the corrupted one in the druid stronghold, but obviously that ones not going anywhere.

As for races that aren't in the game, Dwarves are about the only mainstream one. Not sure if their women should have beards or not.
For races in the game that aren't represented: pigfolk and bearfolk are in the game, and sheepfolk only really have Clementine and Noire. Lizardfolk have Pavo (who isn't really interactable beyond the opening of the Orc Warcamp quest) and Yonzon in Khor'minos, but he seems popular.

I noticed there are no gnomes whatsoever, none to appreciate those slender elf feet


Also, it would be nice to have some gobbos here and there and not having to fight against them to do stuff, I do like the futa midget from Khor'minos but man, the evangelist feels like wasted potential, they don't want me to have the goblin seamstress and then they deny me the other one after some fights?, so unfair

 

[Tamsay]

I didn't know that part why does the small child have an SSR that's designed like that wtf. Yeah that should've never made it passed editing and I'm concerned. I was only thinking of the Onee-san with the big ass sword.

Although Yaia always had breasts, the SSR design is I'd say a result of them slowly sliding into goonerland with special SSRs over the last few years.

Spoiler: Case in point:

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There is also Lily (wind), but I'd rather not include her art. Wiki says she's 12, but... I guess Japanese culture?

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Spoiler: Dwarves for one. Especially if they're nice and chonky shortstacks.

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Also Drow/Dark Elves. I get that Savin probably wanted his Elves to be "different",

Spoiler: But come on! Who can't resist some chocolate Elves!?

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Though for some less generic/mainstream suggestions,

Spoiler: Lizardfolk. The only other one in the game is Pavo from the Kervas camp and that's it.

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Finally, if you want a REALLY obscure fantasy race...

Spoiler: We have Houri, a sort of Angelic counterpart to a Succubus

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I mean, if we're going to say I have propositions

Spoiler: Said propositions

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Hot take I also want monster ppl to act like monster ppl not ppl playing cosplay, you know what I mean? Its not the Horse-talk talking, I'm bored with writers and game divs, creating these monster people. And they're just people with animal faces. It's there's nothing that is otherworldly about them. You know what I mean like? Why does the lizard man think like a human being? He should think like a lizard that is on human intelligence. That doesn't mean he's going to think like a human. He's just using a higher form of thinking. That's barely displayed. You have to go into specific literature to find that type of shit.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Maybe better utilise the ones it already has? So far all these stolen concepts have just devolved into excuses for futa women with horse cocks.

The gnolls have gotten no love, with their representative character (half-gnoll spellblade from Cait's quests) being completely forgotten. They could have been a formally dominant power in the region who has remained relatively unchanged by the gods war because of their nomadic and hind-bound tribal society, who have perhaps one of the best records of that period because of their strong oral (not in that sense) traditions.

The Orcs are just more Vikings at the moment, despite the fact that the lupines have been characterised as scandanavian. The wolf-folk could be spun off and rebranded as Saxon, which is a little subtle of a distinction, but at the time either side would have murdered you over getting that wrong.

Both driders have been completely abandoned, despite their stories being complimentary with the seer looking for a potential monarch, and the "Queen" being clearly a very lonely and desperate woman. They also have no exploration of their background at all.

The goblins. We have two now. One is sexable but turned out to be just another futa. The other has been abandoned. Who are these creatures? Where do they come from? What is their relationship to the hobgoblins? Speaking of, what is up with the hobgoblins?

The Elementals. A side effect of the mostly forgotten about summoning circle and its implications, it's been shown that the extra-planer powers are fully sapient and have their own influences on Savarra. Maybe they'd be a good explanation as well for what the hell is up with the THREE separate examples of living statues (gargoyle, purifying water fountain, male/female sex statues).

The Dryads. I personally HATE the dryads. Why? Because they're fucking Warcraft dryads. Given Moira takes her marching orders from Sav and TOBS, it shows that they have no understanding of any of these creatures outside of their mainstream media depictions (TOBS weabooisms, compared to actual fucking Japanese folklore). But they're in the game, and they contribute nothing. Maybe the spirits of nature and the wyld old faith could actually mean something, especially seeing as they're pivotal to the core conflict of the elves.

Another forgotten one, Pixies! We have Ninnian, and that's it. Maybe that should be explored at all? Or even finished? No? Oh well.

The naga. We have one (excluding the wraith pretending it's a god), and she's interesting, but she's also a weird quasi-immortal fur snake. Maybe we could get some actual snake people. There's cold climate snakes, or we could see them as yet another invading force in the region.

Oh, and there's the most staple and common fantasy race of all, who's in the vast majority of fantasy media... HUMANS. Right now we don't actually have a HUMAN culture. We have representation, but not a culture. Sanders and his daughter are both characterised by their relation to Lumia (even though Sanders converted to Velun, but still uses the same design aesthetic, verbiage, and I'm pretty sure they just forgot he serves a different god who's meant to be a Green-man archetype. Wouldn't that be cool? If the Human dominant faction had supplanted the wood elf niche and green tabbareded hunter crusaders raucously chased the enemies of the faith through the woods? A Masculine depiction to the whole breeder cult thing most of the other gods have going in, a celebration of Virility to compliment Fertility?). But Lumia is not a goddess of humans, she's a goddess of the orcs and the Valkyries. What was human culture? Because the Belharan culture was predominatly Minotaur. So was all human culture subsumed by the Belharan-Roman one? Or was there a distinct, perhaps none generic European, human society?

Anyway, that's my rant for the night. Rip and tear as you will.

Honestly, legit fucking take.I totally feel that, there's a lot of underutilized potential.There's too much underutilized potential

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

They also have to consciously control every aspect of their host body. So if he's popping an erection, that's not an animal response, that's because he really wants you in that moment. He ain't body horny, he's mentally into you if he's willing to waste concentration on pumping up a boner. At least... until Larrion pissed all over the established cannon of Illithids.

Something that is so painfully romantic and extremely sexual about that. That there's no hormones, no animal instinct, no ID telling them what to do. It's just the ego and the super ego saying, yeah, I want this guy to fuck my shit up and we're going to enjoy it to the fullest.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

I mean, if we're going to say I have propositions

Spoiler: Said propositions

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Hot take I also want monster ppl to act like monster ppl not ppl playing cosplay, you know what I mean? Its not the Horse-talk talking, I'm bored with writers and game divs, creating these monster people. And they're just people with animal faces. It's there's nothing that is otherworldly about them. You know what I mean like? Why does the lizard man think like a human being? He should think like a lizard that is on human intelligence. That doesn't mean he's going to think like a human. He's just using a higher form of thinking. That's barely displayed. You have to go into specific literature to find that type of shit.

This issue of course, is writing it in the context of CoC II. I don't think any of the writers are capable of writing a non-human intelligence in any sort of meaningful way without it instantly breaking immersion and reverting back into cosplay. I myself would struggle to write something of that caliber. Not saying that's impossible to do, but in the context of adding it to a game with all the work that entails, I can see maybe one or two characters or races acting like that.

When you say a lizard man should think like a lizard, what exactly are we talking about here? There's a variety of different lizards with varying degrees of intelligence. For example, monitor lizards are so intelligent that you can actually train them like you would a dog. I guess we could say that lizard thinking is like the old theory of the "lizard brain", basal thoughts with an emphasis in instinctual behaviors like aggression, dominance, territoriality, etc.

I do sort of see your point though. I would like a bit more variety on how the different races think. We sort of get a smidge of this with the Kitsune, but not really? Mostly because it's not really due to their species that they think the way they do but their culture. Hmm... Now you got me curious as to how the races we got in game could vary in the way they think and perceive the world.