Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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Skandranon said:
Huh. That's interesting.

Who do you self insert as watching the Avengers movies?
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Well if they're like the majority of people I know it's probably going to go something along the lines of "Whoever's the biggest driving force at the time."

Kind of like swapping between characters in GTA 5 during a scripted event, You have no control over their current actions but you feel like your them in the moment.
 
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KloneZone said:
When is the combat balance patch going to happen?
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It's happening already. A bunch of balance changes happened in the last few patches I think. It's supposed to be a long term thing, basically the rest of the year.

Which sadly means no goblin milf anytime soon because Balak is the one doing it.
 
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Fikedever said:
I'm not very good at the whole blank slate character either, but I don't really think the sandbox allows me to do much with it anyways. There's hardly any interesting choices for your character to make. The game isn't really written in that way. About the most interesting choice is probably pure vs corrupt, but most of the corrupt are dead ends at this point.

That may just be me being bad at conceptualizing a character, utilizing the indirect dialogue, and forgetting the interesting choices. It would help to know if you could give an example character, and how you felt the game contributed to your characterization of them?
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You might just be because I have no problem conceptualizing a character based off all the choices in the game and my own ideal in this setting. They don't all have to be pivotal choices to fit what my character would do. And I already said the problem is when they do take choices and force dialogue on you, which we see a lot with Tobs and why his content gets lambasted so much.
Skandranon said:
I can't take the PC pretending to have a deep, lasting relationship with a single character, then turning around and saying basically the same thing to 20 other chicks while the first one waits back at home for the PC to give them some attention again. Harems kinda creep me out.

Which is why I enjoy when NPCs do their own thing sans the PC.
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I really have to wonder why you bother playing games where you are expected and inevitably will have a harem then. Even despite the push to cut you out of things, the majority of the game still have you the center of attention. You're still the go to guy for settling problems, you're still the best lay in the land and most meaningful relationships involve you, you're still the strongest because otherwise it's a Bad End, and the main villain is focused on you. Just because some characters might fuck other people sometimes doesn't change that.
 
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Biostar said:
I really have to wonder why you bother playing games where you are expected and inevitably will have a harem then.
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Simple, I don't play those games.
What's in this game isn't really what I think of as a harem, because all of the characters in this game aren't slavishly devoted to you. The majority of them of them are basically casual fuckbuddies. The characters that really push that way (Brienne, Kiyoko) I just don't generally mess with much. The games I actually avoid playing are more crap like...WVM.

Even despite the push to cut you out of things, the majority of the game still have you the center of attention. You're still the go to guy for settling problems, you're still the best lay in the land and most meaningful relationships involve you, you're still the strongest because otherwise it's a Bad End, and the main villain is focused on you. Just because some characters might fuck other people sometimes doesn't change that.
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Mmm, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. There's a difference between "being the main character" and "being the only real character". I don't mind the PC being the one to move things along, somebody has to.

You aren't the strongest and never will be- Kas for instance is double the max level we'll ever get to in this game, and the gods are even further ahead. Not to mention everything you do you do with a full squad of backup and not through sheer awesomeness on your own part.

The main villain is focused on you due to sheer happenstance (literally just standing in the right place at the right time) as opposed to you just being generally super awesome.

You can be the main character and not have the world revolve around you. Think Spider-man. A character that fails a lot, can't control everything around him, and is a small part of a larger universe - still our hero, and the viewpoint character, the center of most major relationships in his comic/show/movie, etc.

That's what worldbuilding is supposed to, do, create (the illusion of) a bigger world and a bigger story that your character just happens to be a part of.


KloneZone said:
If I post my Tier lists in the Fenoxo forums how well would that go?
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Fine, probably. They have topics talking about favorite and least favorite characters.
 
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Skandranon said:
What's in this game isn't really what I think of as a harem, because all of the characters in this game aren't slavishly devoted to you.
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Aside from interacting with you the vast majority of characters do nothing or go anywhere when you're not involved. When you tell a character to come with you on a journey they don't refuse you for some reason, they come without complaint, even the ones who should have bigger responsibilities than being with you. They even leave big decisons of their lives to you. Sounds pretty devoted to me.
Skandranon said:
You aren't the strongest and never will be- Kas for instance is double the max level we'll ever get to in this game, and the gods are even further ahead. Not to mention everything you do you do with a full squad of backup and not through sheer awesomeness on your own part.
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Your examples are the Big Bad and literal gods who actively do nothing. You don't have to do anything with a full squad unless the game forces you to for story reasons.
Skandranon said:
The main villain is focused on you due to sheer happenstance (literally just standing in the right place at the right time) as opposed to you just being generally super awesome.
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Her interest in our character is literally because we are special. How it came about doesn't change the fact that we are.
Skandranon said:
You can be the main character and not have the world revolve around you. Think Spider-man. A character that fails a lot, can't control everything around him, and is a small part of a larger universe - still our hero, and the viewpoint character, the center of most major relationships in his comic/show/movie, etc.
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Except Spider-Man is one hero in a world full of active heroes, civilians, and villains. He will never be the most important person in that world nor would he have a connection with every single NPC like our character does. If this game is suppose to make me think otherwise then it honestly failed. Any lore dumps is just excessive window dressing because it'll never matter beyond flavor text.
 
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Biostar said:
Aside from interacting with you the vast majority of characters do nothing or go anywhere when you're not involved. When you tell a character to come with you on a journey they don't refuse you for some reason, they come without complaint, even the ones who should have bigger responsibilities than being with you. They even leave big decisons of their lives to you. Sounds pretty devoted to me.
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Cait's with you because your goals align. Brint is just bored. Atugia is ordered to by the person she works for. Agni is also bored. Azzy is ordered to by her Queen (though she wants to anyway). Quin's goals align with yours. Berwyn is with you because your goals align.

Ryn, Kiyoko, and sub Arona are the only one's who could be construed to be "devoted" towards you, and I'd argue Arona barely counts.

Let me put it this way if your character decided to straight up leave the Frost Marches, head to some other corner of the world to fuck around...who'd follow you? Because I'd say most of your party wouldn't.

Your examples are the Big Bad and literal gods who actively do nothing.
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That...doesn't really change anything? I could add probably Komari and Lady Evergreen in there. You aren't the strongest character in the setting. Nobody treats you or acknowledges you as the strongest. The plot doesn't treat you that way. You're certainly a force to be reckoned with, but story wise, you and your party are just kinda strong. Noone is scared of you.

You don't have to do anything with a full squad unless the game forces you to for story reasons.
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The story is what we're talking about. This whole conversation is about how the game treats your character, and the game obviously always assumes you have a party.


Her interest in our character is literally because we are special. How it came about doesn't change the fact that we are.
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It HUGELY changes that. A character who is just good at everything just because is not at all the same as a character who is good at things because of an accident. One of those two things is generally called a Mary-Sue, one isn't.

Except Spider-Man is one hero in a world full of active heroes, civilians, and villains. He will never be the most important person in that world nor would he have a connection with every single NPC like our character does. If this game is suppose to make me think otherwise then it honestly failed. Any lore dumps is just excessive window dressing because it'll never matter beyond flavor text.
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They don't have to matter beyond flavor text. It's not real. Pretty much all world-building, in any work, is an illusion.
Well, less so Marvel or anything with an expanded universe because you can tune into the actual world beyond any given character, but still. World building needs to hint at a background that you can't see beyond your character. It gives the stuff you can see depth.

Of course it seems like we have a connection with every NPC, because you're the view point character - you only see people you can talk to.

Substitute Spider-man for plenty of other characters.
Frodo from Lord of the Rings.
Whoever you want from Game of Thrones.
Heck, Saitama from One Punch Man.

Main characters do not need to be the lynchpin the entire world revolves around. Things can and should happen (or at least appear to happen) around them, without them, and in spite of them.


Honestly, I'm a little confused as to what we're even discussing here - the original post was just me outlining my tastes in games and stuff I like. Are you trying to convince me I don't actually like this game?
 
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