Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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Kas is THE big villain spreading corruption and demons across the land. Causing problems or making them worse in centaur village, elf town, mino city.

I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.

kas: i care and love you and i'm doing this to be free
mc: but what about the lives you ruined?
kas: don't worry about them, their not you
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I honestly expect the end game to be them succeeding or close to it and then they give the MC some choices
[1 kill them{might not even be there as an option}]
[2 forgive them]
[3 romance them]
[4 enslave {Kass: joke's on you, i'm into that shit}]
[5 purify them {if they didn't all succeed in their goals]
[6 repent?]
 
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icecreamman99 said:
I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.
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Project manager is just a 'mothers favorite special child'.
Instead of making her U-U-U-ULTIMATELY obscene and corrupted (which will make some player like her in a "this shit is fuu-u-u-ucked, I know it but I still like it...fuck my stupidly horny brain" way, and most of a players hate her) he went onto a road of "she victim of circumstances, shes pretty good...while not rape things....and corrupt things...and steal souls...and cause mass genocide...and creates highly unstable interdimensional portals that threats a whole existence of a universe...promice shes a good gal, no really"....which is yes, possible, but he lack both experience and intelligence to do so. Ego of a sizes of an everest are not helps here.
 
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icecreamman99 said:
Kas is THE big villain spreading corruption and demons across the land. Causing problems or making them worse in centaur village, elf town, mino city.

I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.

kas: i care and love you and i'm doing this to be free
mc: but what about the lives you ruined?
kas: don't worry about them, their not you
[not a quote]
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I mean... she has a point though. You've stumbled into a region that's far beyond saving even before she showed up. She's the only one upfront about her evil. "Yeah I corrupt and kill, I know that makes me bad. But you know what? Here's my reason bro. Don't like it then oh well." Everyone else hides behind excuses and religion. Like I said, there's literal childgrooming and probably classes. Take that as you will.

In a world where people justify them eating people's essence, childgrooming, slavery (sans pleasure), etc why is Kas so evil? Sure she introduces depravity, but you'd be too corrupt to know it's bad. All she's doing is making the suffering easier for those already suffering. "Oh you used to be a menial slave doing back breaking labor? Well guess what bro, now you will feel endless pleasure for eternity. Still a slave tho, my b." How can you ruin a slave's life by making it at least enjoyable?
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Yeah, picking a tone and sticking with it is pretty important. I don't know if I'm supposed to take Cait worrying about her sister seriously if it doesn't seem she does outside a few select scenes. See above about the slavery thing. It's already actively happening like a lot.

They don't express the tact to make an adult game with erotic elements though, as they don't have a cohesive tone. They use the "just a porn game" to make up for that.

Wrynn13 said:
I don't think of it as Kas being THE villain but A villain. One of many that my pure character would purge and my corrupt character would subjugate. Though the catboy god of groomers is on the purge list for both...
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This is the fairest response on Kas. People are arguing that she's the BBEG in a world where all I see are BBEGs. If you wanted to be "pure" then you would have a very, very long list of names to cross off before the world was purified. Picking on her because she's got horns and red skin is racism :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:

Also, I prefer male Berwyn but fem-Berwyn got me actin up lmao
 
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Tau_Iota said:
I mean... she has a point though. You've stumbled into a region that's far beyond saving even before she showed up. She's the only one upfront about her evil. "Yeah I corrupt and kill, I know that makes me bad. But you know what? Here's my reason bro. Don't like it then oh well." Everyone else hides behind excuses and religion. Like I said, there's literal childgrooming and probably classes. Take that as you will.

In a world where people justify them eating people's essence, childgrooming, slavery (sans pleasure), etc why is Kas so evil?
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The real world has/had literally all those things at a similar level of technology....except worse.

Eating peoples essence isn't really a huge deal....they specifically don't kill people, and it seems to be more of a minor inconvenience than anything.

Slavery is everywhere is any society in this time period, I don't see how it makes this world particularly corrupt.

And the child grooming thing is...well, nothing. Again, if we're comparing this to the real world? We would have those kids doing the same thing, except we didn't really do the "wait until 18" part. Heck, most of the excesses in this game, besides the glut of sex which nobody hugely minds, us sanitized compared to IRL history.


Kas wants a world where alraunes, corrupted bees, demons and goblin succubi are roaming the land. Kas wants a world where she doesn't stop at taking your essence, she drains your whole soul. In her world, kids won't be "groomed", because I doubt all the demons and whatnot will care about a kids age at all before they get started.

Literally everything Kas has done is a worse version of stuff already going on. And that's not counting the breeding experiments, the cult (which she doesn't directly control but is certainly the cause of), what she did to the Winter City (they didn't dwell on this, but the entire government and royal family of WC is dead now), or the fact that she's doing experiments that are ripping open the fabric of reality and letting in extra dimensional soul stealing monsters, which if Lumia hadn't been around for would have probably completely ended the Frost Marches and probably the world right there....


Besides the loads of casual sex, the world says Kass is pretty much just normal feudal society plus magic. There's really no comparison, Kas us going to burn the whole thing down.
 
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muschi26 said:
IDK, someone else mentioned it so I was curious.

In any case, while I don't think DCL's art is bad, I don't know if I'd say Kiyoko is one of his best lol. I would much, much rather have a bust from Moira for her.
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Kiyokos busts are ok but considering her being one of the main characters in marketing besides kas, her big role (for her niche), her art seems a bit off. Moira pulled off the seductress look with miko and mai much, much better, especially with mikos makeup touchup. With her schtick as being a alpha wife she doesn't need "good enough" art, if Moira doesn't want to do variants I'd just get them to do a petite and a full milf. It's not terrible but it's like if they stuck with kasyrras Cheshire bust and put *that* on the banners instead. Dcls art isn't bad though, cheshires isn't horrible for that matter imo, but comparing miko and mai to kiyoko is just weird, especially with how everyone talks about kiyoko standing out, being beautiful, royalty etc, she's a party member and presumably one of the characters you could theoretically have a ending with, miko and mais eyes and faces are more magical looking. Like they're kitsune, the whole emperor controlling beauty myths while kiyokos an attractive fox person
 
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Kas just took on excuse and used it to justify anything and everything she does for her own goals.
It just a simple, hollow, lazy, and/or writing shorthand/justification and with them pushing that idea as Kas's reason makes it look dumb if you look at their other actions to the point that MC should ask kas, do you think i'm dumb? You could just says i'm doing this cause i want too.

like Skandranon says this not that out of the ordinary even more so for bronze-age "medieval fantasy " [yes, i know those are different times]

i say the biggest problem talked about here is that things are poorly explained or thought out.
  1. foxes: they are either energy vampires or demon-like and are invaders, non-interactive player wise and world wise.
    that's pretty all the reason push them out at the least, them being reading like a fan fic mod that was just inserted is just a bonus to running them out. you'd think the elves would want to run them out with the wayfort and city near by.
  2. sex temple and sex god
    Wait? you made a god that whose spheres of influence is mostly just sex and the religious group make brothel temples, while saying that some of the characters family are from there or worked there. And that they will be learning and raised from the temple
    And in some with these facts the writer does insane mental gymnastics and say it isn't child grooming to be sluts or whores
With 2. that's like a master class on why you don't make your god just of sex and then say they raise the kids have while working there. Have those gods encompass more spheres of influence than mainly sex.​
 
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Spiteful or not it is funny to watch both the autism that ensues when someone critics them as wel as the reactions here. Considering how much money furries have, anyone in the past 789 pages could have started making their own game with an initial investement for busts and with all the fetishes you like and probably turn a profit.
 
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undyingrevenant said:
Kiyokos busts are ok but considering her being one of the main characters in marketing besides kas, her big role (for her niche), her art seems a bit off. Moira pulled off the seductress look with miko and mai much, much better, especially with mikos makeup touchup. With her schtick as being a alpha wife she doesn't need "good enough" art, if Moira doesn't want to do variants I'd just get them to do a petite and a full milf. It's not terrible but it's like if they stuck with kasyrras Cheshire bust and put *that* on the banners instead. Dcls art isn't bad though, cheshires isn't horrible for that matter imo, but comparing miko and mai to kiyoko is just weird, especially with how everyone talks about kiyoko standing out, being beautiful, royalty etc, she's a party member and presumably one of the characters you could theoretically have a ending with, miko and mais eyes and faces are more magical looking. Like they're kitsune, the whole emperor controlling beauty myths while kiyokos an attractive fox person
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Miko's picture looks far far better than Kiyoko, especially when pregnant.
 
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So the upcoming content is going to be all about de-dicking Berwyn? Why? Who the fuck wanted that???

These fucking devs, wtf are they thinking...
 
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Futa_Buddy said:
So the upcoming content is going to be all about de-dicking Berwyn? Why? Who the fuck wanted that???

These fucking devs, wtf are they thinking...
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When I last checked, there is content for Male, Female and Herm Berwyn. But if they've changed thier mind since then, they serious can't tell what people want. I'm assuming they just havent had new art made for him in his regular form
 
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Futa_Buddy said:
So the upcoming content is going to be all about de-dicking Berwyn? Why? Who the fuck wanted that???

These fucking devs, wtf are they thinking...
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Apparently, lots of people if you take this place into account. No accounting for taste, I guess...


But it's not all about that, it's a choice. You can end with regular Berry, futa Berry, or "Wynne" aka female Berwyn. And then there's a bunch of other stuff besides that.
 
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