Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Skandranon]

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Kitsune so popular Savin had to put a stop to it or risk GOTY.

That's for nextgame, not this one iirc. Tobs doesn't get to do kitsune 2.0.

If I recall correctly that conversation was more about how kitsune were like a full third of the game, which I can't imagine didn't hurt the variety and scope of the game as a whole.

I honestly have no idea what people like about the den. Ignore the general passive-aggressivness toward you, it's just bloated with long-winded drabble about shit that doesn't matter and about people they never try to make you like because they want to keep said passive-aggressiveness. Even the sex scenes get too bogged down with flowery language to be that sexy. I'm more willing to chalk it up to "yes-man" mentality than anything. "There's a lot so it must be good!"

Weebs.

You ever tried to read a light novel?

 

[hater45]

If most of the fans seem to like it and Tobs is just writing to please his yes men. Then fine. I don't mind being in the minority in this case. I think the kitsune stuff is mediocre at best. I kinda wish it was more meaningful to interact with them, as the Kitsune content seems to be the only thing ever getting an update.

Honestly I don't understand either. I'm a full weeb but Tobs has a problem of dumping lore when nobody ask. If he puts it behind choices and when the player is ready to read it, it can improve the den by a lot. Imagine still being talked down to despite having their god's favor, father of super special OC Kinu, and literally curb stomp them all in a fight.

 

[Deus Ex Mind]

And I still really want and wait for the expansion of the scenes with Sandre and Caera

 

[MoneyMan181]

Weebs.

You ever tried to read a light novel?

At least some light novels are funny and clever like Konosuba. That and y'know, they're aimed at kids.

Taking time out to change or reroute it based on criticism from a relative minority of the customer base just probably isn't ever going to happen.

This just seems needlessly neutral. Yes obviously they aren't going to do it, but that isn't the point. It shouldn't need to be changed or reworked in the first place. It shouldn't feel like a completely different game in the first place. Christ, one review on Steam even calls it a "side story". Go read something else or implement this after the game is already finished if you want to have a side story. Either that or make it actually fit with the game in meaningful ways rather than hijacking it to put your fan-fic into it.

 

[Zerorox]

The further you go within story, the shitter this game feels. Some updates make this game even much worse. Same with writing.
I dunno what to say...
I really liked this game, and I'm totally disappointed!

 

[MarcusDBlack]

 

[Evizzy89]

That's for nextgame, not this one iirc. Tobs doesn't get to do kitsune 2.0.

If I recall correctly that conversation was more about how kitsune were like a full third of the game, which I can't imagine didn't hurt the variety and scope of the game as a whole.




Weebs.

You ever tried to read a light novel?

this popped on on my amazon preview thingy.

I am a behemoth, and I get mistaken for a cat and I live as an elf girls pet.

 

[Zerorox]

That's not yet all my frustration...
6788 patrons
32 659 bucks/month
Really? WTF?

 

[Evizzy89]

That's not yet all my frustration...
6788 patrons
32 659 bucks/month
Really? WTF?

TiTS


7,401
PATRONS
CA$46,513
PER MONTH

CoC2


6,788
PATRONS
CA$42,090
PER MONTH

they make some decent bank for how little they actually release IMO
dont get me wrong I enjoy both games and play them a couple times a month
but for 40k a month I would personally expect more =P

 

[Shiro15]

TiTS


7,401
PATRONS
CA$46,513
PER MONTH

CoC2


6,788
PATRONS
CA$42,090
PER MONTH

they make some decent bank for how little they actually release IMO
dont get me wrong I enjoy both games and play them a couple times a month
but for 40k a month I would personally expect more =P

I'm assuming that doesn't account for steam sales either. I'm getting critcal bliss and yandere dev vibes after seeing those numbers. I know that money is getting split amongst multiple people, but with that much money they should be able to work full time on this, and have more content pushed out.

 

[Evizzy89]

I'm assuming that doesn't account for steam sales either. I'm getting critcal bliss and yandere dev vibes after seeing those numbers. I know that money is getting split amongst multiple people, but with that much money they should be able to work full time on this, and have more content pushed out.

I know of yandere dev, but I have never heard of critcal bliss, is that another game developer?

Ive just always been surprised about how much these two games make, mostly because its text based and I assume there is less involved in updating it (I dont know anything about codes or developing things so)
It feels like creating scenes would be easier to do, pictures are minimal and usually very simple in design like its just writing it out...which once again doesn't take very long


its really not that much different from a hentai doujin right? the foundation is there so I assume adding a new character along with a few paragraphs of dialogue shouldnt be too difficult especially since as you said there is multiple people

but im just ranting because im bored and waiting for my lasagna <_<
no real complaints since im not super invested in this game >_>

I am honestly curious how much work it takes to create a new character or scene if anyone knows :3
(Like actual work say, putting in a 8 hour day grind) like someone who has to work for their paycheck

 

[Kroenen12]

Berwyn (HugsAlright)= Poly
Berwyn (B) = ?
Eltheryn and Atugia = false, poly.

 

[M0nte]

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Berwyn (HugsAlright)= Poly
Berwyn (B) = ?
Eltheryn and Atugia = false, poly.

Do people know what poly means?

 

[Shiro15]

I know of yandere dev, but I have never heard of critcal bliss, is that another game developer?

Ive just always been surprised about how much these two games make, mostly because its text based and I assume there is less involved in updating it (I dont know anything about codes or developing things so)
It feels like creating scenes would be easier to do, pictures are minimal and usually very simple in design like its just writing it out...which once again doesn't take very long


its really not that much different from a hentai doujin right? the foundation is there so I assume adding a new character along with a few paragraphs of dialogue shouldnt be too difficult especially since as you said there is multiple people

but im just ranting because im bored and waiting for my lasagna <_<
no real complaints since im not super invested in this game >_>

I am honestly curious how much work it takes to create a new character or scene if anyone knows :3
(Like actual work say, putting in a 8 hour day grind) like someone who has to work for their paycheck

Critcal Bliss started on Newgrounds. They announced a game my Neighbor is demons, so it was supposed to be a VN hentai game about a super horny college who scared off her boyfriend because she was so horny. After that these two demon twins move in next door and try to get her to embrace her horny side. It got announced like 5 years ago. Never came out despite meeting its kick starter goal and having a patreon. From my understanding the artist randomly abodoned the project. They still publish games, but still haven't released the original project.

But, yeah like you I'm only mildly invested. But since I work as an editor, when I see stuff that's kind of lacking, I like to think about how it can be improved. Honestly thinking about how the game could be improved is the most fun I've had with any of the content since first trying it out.

 

[Shiro15]

It's a bit more than a hentai doujin and certainly mone than a few paragraphs.

For instance, some numbers I recall off the top of my head, Noire, the sheepgirl from the baths, was 200 pages. Tatsuya, the male Kiyoko type character Jstar was working on, was commissioned at 20k words ( but is quite a bit longer, apparently).

We had this discussion a month ago, and I found a website that had a bunch of both professional and semi-professional authors on it, and most of them recommend doing around 1000 words per day.

So a month to write a very basic character with few to no variables, a month for review and editing, and another month to make it through the coding queue - three months from farm to table?

Note: I'm 100% guessing, I have no expertise, just what I've observed from being around these games for awhile.


From what Ive read, part of the issue is with visibility of the content. A character that accounts for a bunch of variables and differences might have a scene that's 200 words but took 300-400 to type because of the parsers they work with. So often it can look like there's less there than there is.

The last thing I wrote professionally came out to about 12kwords. I wrote it over the course of about 2 weeks. (It might've been about 9 or 10 days.) If you include the editing and waiting for feed back in total it would have been about a month start to finish before it was published . So, I would agree with your estimate.

 

[Daken9]

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Berwyn (HugsAlright)= Poly
Berwyn (B) = ?
Eltheryn and Atugia = false, poly.

Arona = poly, just kinda fucks

Ryn = as monogamous as Champ wants

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Most of them but Azzy and maybe Brint aren't even poly, they're just either turbosluts like Cait or just kinda fuck around.

 

[hater45]

It's a bit more than a hentai doujin and certainly mone than a few paragraphs.

For instance, some numbers I recall off the top of my head, Noire, the sheepgirl from the baths, was 200 pages. Tatsuya, the male Kiyoko type character Jstar was working on, was commissioned at 20k words ( but is quite a bit longer, apparently).

We had this discussion a month ago, and I found a website that had a bunch of both professional and semi-professional authors on it, and most of them recommend doing around 1000 words per day.

So a month to write a very basic character with few to no variables, a month for review and editing, and another month to make it through the coding queue - three months from farm to table?

Note: I'm 100% guessing, I have no expertise, just what I've observed from being around these games for awhile.


From what Ive read, part of the issue is with visibility of the content. A character that accounts for a bunch of variables and differences might have a scene that's 200 words but took 300-400 to type because of the parsers they work with. So often it can look like there's less there than there is.

You say 3 months yet it takes 5x longer due to them not having the best coder(s) around. It took Gedan YEARS to do space combat in TiTs. The problem is that when your team consist of friends you are not hard on them so they don't produce content that is either up to a standard or delivered on time. Look at Dizzy, she done for months but the team sat on doing the JS conversion for a long time for ???? reason when everyone knew that flash was going to die.

 

[Biostar]

Weebs.

You ever tried to read a light novel?

Plenty. None of them were as boring as the Kitsune stuff. Even the most trashy, wish fulfillment ones.

 

[Biostar]

Also, in any case, comparing a coder for an amateur porn game to an AAA programmer in the first place seems a bit unfair.

How many years and how much money does it take to make someone not an amateur anymore? I think we're well past that excuse.

 

[Noone202]

Well, a quick google search pulls up...around 80k a year, from several sources, for a single programmer. So certainly more than the ones of this project make.

As for years...dunno? Technically I think someone is a professional when working a job that requires a degree or equivalent experience.

So does TiTs and CoC count as "Equivalent experience" or do we need to get a GoFundMe page and send the Devs a porn creation scholarship into Harvard to get their degree?