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However, after reading all these testimonials it strikes me as exceptionally odd that someone can become so narcissistic and egocentric over their writing, at least from a personal perspective. I've dabbled in writing over the years and am hopelessly unaware of how one can come to obsess over their own work in this manner.

Man, the shit I've written isn't good by any means, but if someone offers me genuine criticism I'm not going to turn it down and scream hysterics because of it.
 

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i gotchu. i'll try to be as neutral as possible and format it so it's not a wall. i might not put everything but ill put what i can easily recall.
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other than that, most others don't have any notable traits or negatives i can think of at the moment. not saying they're not good or haven't done bad things but just mostly keep their heads down with work of varying levels of player satisfaction

edit: additionally to tobs, some of the kitsune content has come across as overly harsh towards japanese culture, ranging from critique to near or active discrimination instead of a celebration of it with various monster girls and boys which it appeared to be to most at first. much of the diplomacy, alienation and superiority complexes seem to stem from that instead of being solely character traits
Accurate but you forgot to include Jstar, author of devoted Waifu Drifta
 
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Wsan is part of the leadership of the game.
Savin, Tobs, and Wsan were basically the first three on the project, and from everything I've seen they're all basically in lock-step and consult together when it comes to the big policy decisions.

I know everyone here loves Wsans writing, but any decision or policy by the team that's been made that seems stupid or backwards - Wsan probably was one of the ones that helped make it.
I agree to an extent. Wsan's my favourite writer by a large margin, not that there's much competition, but it does feel like people excuse him a lot because of his writing. He's happy to say the same dismissive stuff about fans/criticism as the rest of the team, just tactfully. Putting Wsan or even Tobs on the level with Savin isn't fair though, and I'm not sure how they're "lock-step" when the Brienne-Hobgoblin drama exists, unless that was Wsan being deceitful. Savin has the final word and is supposed to review submissions, so he's the one responsible for the game's cohesion and rules/policies being enforced.

Most of their policies aren't enforced evenly, e.g. Savin has 3 companions for some reason. Community submissions will be rejected for things that are unbearably common in staff pieces, like dictating how the PC feels about something or sitting through a novel of exposition with no interaction and no erotic content, which are SKoW and Tobs cornerstones respectively. The fact that Drifa was forced to 50,000~ words and multiple sex scenes, while Gweyrquest ran many more words with barely one scene, which was NPCxNPC, is ridiculously inconsistent.
Imma just yeet this in here as it does have the latest version. (BTW I have nothing to do with this folder, I just have it saved to check for the latest versions and it's been shared here many times.)
CoC2 Mega Folder
Yea, that's my folder. I post the updates here, which you can easily find by searching 0.5.17 Patch Notes for example. I may be late next update though, depending on when it is.
 
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So would you say that Quin (ignoring his personality) would be the your upper limit when it comes to big botty twinks?
Yes, with the addendum that I'm talking about his old design. His new one takes him right out of my strike zone.
 

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Putting Wsan or even Tobs on the level with Savin isn't fair though, and I'm not sure how they're "lock-step" when the Brienne-Hobgoblin drama exists, unless that was Wsan being deceitful. Savin has the final word and is supposed to review submissions, so he's the one responsible for the game's cohesion and rules/policies being enforced.
I dont think there was any actual drama. I think it's just a case of people hopping on tiny things and blowing them out of proportion.

Pretty sure the while thing was Wsan just not actually reading the scene until someone told him about it (because they often don't read each other's work) amd Tobs...being Tobs and writing something out of tone with the rest of the game, as he does.

The whole conspiracy theory where Savin and Tobs snuck something into the game to spite Wsan is...pretty much just that.
 
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I dont think there was any actual drama. I think it's just a case of people hopping on tiny things and blowing them out of proportion.
Pretty sure the while thing was Wsan just not actually reading the scene until someone told him about it (because they often don't read each other's work) amd Tobs...being Tobs and writing something out of tone with the rest of the game, as he does.
The whole conspiracy theory where Savin and Tobs snuck something into the game to spite Wsan is...pretty much just that.
There was definitely drama, since it resulted in Wsan saying he'd tighten control over his content. Now whether there was anything sneaky, I've no clue. Tobs does love his bizarre tone content though.

I meant it as an example that the leadership clearly isn't in sync when they don't even read each other's submissions, even for their companion characters, and aren't pleased if they do read the submissions.
 

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There was definitely drama, since it resulted in Wsan saying he'd tighten control over his content. Now whether there was anything sneaky, I've no clue. Tobs does love his bizarre tone content though.
Eh, might be just a difference of opinion on what constitutes "drama".

I meant it as an example that the leadership clearly isn't in sync when they don't even read each other's submissions, even for their companion characters, and aren't pleased if they do read the submissions.
Well, I said "on the big policy decisions" specifically. They pretty much always back each other on that stuff.
 
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Eh, might be just a difference of opinion on what constitutes "drama".



Well, I said "on the big policy decisions" specifically. They pretty much always back each other on that stuff.
so i looked at your unoffical list in your sig and saw:

  • Oma
    • Female genie character by B
    • Grants wishes
    • Can transform into anything

  • Male Kitsune (Tetsuya)
    • Jstar
    • Husbando; basically male Kiyoko
this interests me as well as the additional lyric content but as far as my own datamining can come up with I dont see anything about it.
 
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Well, I said "on the big policy decisions" specifically. They pretty much always back each other on that stuff.
That's fair, your 2nd paragraph made me think you also meant in general, but Wsan did back cutting Berwyn as a companion which was a big choice.

The original point was how the leadership affects the writers, and in general, I'd argue Savin has by far the most effect as the project lead, whereas Wsan&SKoW have very little, and Tobs has a bit as he's set a few rules, reviews some submissions, and brawls on the forum occasionally.
 
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This is a smut game with an extremely light tone and then it suddenly goes in-depth about killing children.
I mean, yes.....and its a problem IMO. Im about "extremely light tone" part. There are already so much 'lightly toned' porn games that I doubt there are exist penis/vagina that are able to withstand masturbation marathon with all of them in the line.
There are no something that allows this game to stand out, even as a "extremely light tone" game...well except probably "ITS A COC1 SUCESSOR!!!11111 HYPE!!!!!!111111111"

It's the same thing as a kid's show start having its characters curse and beat the shit out of each other.
Happy tree friends is a relatively good cartoon.

Wish this game had some competition so I could write for them rather than this shitshow
Like subscribe comment to my patreon and well make it. But there are will be obligatory GRIMDARK
 
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However, after reading all these testimonials it strikes me as exceptionally odd that someone can become so narcissistic and egocentric over their writing, at least from a personal perspective. I've dabbled in writing over the years and am hopelessly unaware of how one can come to obsess over their own work in this manner.

Man, the shit I've written isn't good by any means, but if someone offers me genuine criticism I'm not going to turn it down and scream hysterics because of it.
To try and answer that question - as well as give a bit of perspective on why I am so negative about not the game as much as the lead writers - the problem stems from the Fenoxo Forums, I believe. As you maybe know Fenoxo (or Fen) is the guy who started it all back in the day with CoC 1 and then TiTS, basically a bit of a pioneer since CoC 1 arguably is the foundation of many games that try to create the lewd equivalent of a text based RPG of old. For obvious reasons he acquired quite the following, and since Savin has been on board since the early days as well he benefited a lot from the loyalty and admiration of Fen's fanbase.
I think for good reasons, Savin is a really good writer & a great writer of smut as well, so it is by no means that the man doesn't have talent or experience or just in general is clueless, quite the opposite. The Observer, too, has been with them for quite a long time & started out as definitely promising, with a genuine, appealing writing style and a certain knack for visualizing things through his choice of words.

The problems, in my eyes, began when Fen decided that he wouldn't be the lead of yet another project (even though it would have been the sequel to his original gem) because a. he had a lot to do with TiTS and b. had grown increasingly tired of writing smut over the years, therefore decided to be more of a hindrance for the sequel & also just not up to write things matching the standards of quality he had set for his games.
Making Savin the lead seemed pretty logical at that point in time & at first things worked out pretty well. The issues began to rose when TOBS was given free reign over whatever he wrote (as was Wsan, but Wsan at least writes stuff fitting for a CoC sequel, with choices to make and player control over their own character) and, when he began to loose his mind and create his completely own story inside the story (that then also did not at all connect with the rest of the game, only by forced interactions with basically random NPCs to simply try and justify that nonsense). Unsurprisingly TOBS was met with quite a bit of criticism by the players, and that's where things went down the drain.

See, since the Forums had existed for quite a while, and people really liked the games as well as the minds behind them, it turned out that the constant praise had inflated The Observer's ego to a point where he took any form of dislike of his - purposely derisive - content as a personal attack. To the point where he resorted to consciously write stuff he knew a vast majority would dislike, and he left no room for doubts that he did it just to piss people off. By that he then ruined his own content, causing basically 90% of the players to turn on him and his content.

That's where Savin made the fatal mistake of thinking that it was his job to protect his writers from negative feedback instead of diving into the issues and look for the root of the problems. I don't know if he actually thought it came out of basically nowhere & that TOBS was getting heat for no reason, or if he, deep down, knew who was at fault and just couldn't tell his old friend to get his act together. From there on it became basically impossible to voice criticism on the forums, either a bunch of zombie fans jumped anyone trying to voice his thoughts (even if it was in a polite manner and without going after any individual writer) and just claimed that the game was without any flaws or room for improvement, further cementing the by then pretty delusional impression of the lead writers that they are (as I wrote before) something like the Tolkiens and Martins of smut, or Savin himself (or guys like TOBS) deleted the criticism.

Nowadays there are, as others explained here before, clear double standards for what the lead writers do & what the other people can do, arbitrary rejection of content, a very clear maliciousness towards the players in general, with some of the writers writing stuff just because a majority of people hate it, the attempt to make the player character as irrelevant and weak as possible etc. pp.

It's actually just kinda pathetic and extremely childish, the typical product of people closing themselves in a bubble just to never hear anything negative about their work.
 

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I think people tend to underestimate how hard it is to write branching stories where the reader basically influences the story that is told by their decision. In my personal opinion it's actually way harder to write something for a CYOA game than it is to just write a story by yourself. Add to that that it is also not that easy to write great smut when you aren't comparably literate and you end up with what you describe.
Depends...
In the 90-00, IIRC, there was a rise of CYOA books with...eh, relatively linear story. Like, first page was something like
you exit your home and go for a walk
go to page 11 if you want to visit park, or page 33 if you want to hang out with you homie pedro, or to page 114 if you want to yell on a cloud
While its, technically, CYOA its linear, in a sense that all 'decisions' that were 'made' (in story sense) on previous pages have already pre defined result on all following.

In videogame case it opens up lot more possibilities than simple "check page X", but it require from you knowledge of boring shit like programming and data structures.
 

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Depends...
In the 90-00, IIRC, there was a rise of CYOA books with...eh, relatively linear story. Like, first page was something like
you exit your home and go for a walk
go to page 11 if you want to visit park, or page 33 if you want to hang out with you homie pedro, or to page 114 if you want to yell on a cloud
While its, technically, CYOA its linear, in a sense that all 'decisions' that were 'made' (in story sense) on previous pages have already pre defined result on all following.

In videogame case it opens up lot more possibilities than simple "check page X", but it require from you knowledge of boring shit like programming and data structures.
Yeah, fair enough, I remember those (e.g. something with searching for atlantis) but I was more thinking about either Choice of... Games in terms of functionality of choices (especially when looking at CoC 1 and TiTS) as well as the pretty dated text based games where you actually write stuff in the "console" to interact with the game.
 

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What is with the updates in this game because for a while now the updates seem to be little and about stuff that seems like no one cares about and it dosen't help that the content that we would like is either

A:Never being made in the first place (Ex: fucking gweyr,that mouse compainion that looks way better than that phoenix or getting that random witch in the forest as a compainon)

B:Seems like it's going to take a long time to be made while we keep getting crap(Ex:Brint/Brienne family content, that one minotaur that we can gender bend into a milf, that hot shortstack goblin milf/gilf that's been in the game seems for ever
 

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However, after reading all these testimonials it strikes me as exceptionally odd that someone can become so narcissistic and egocentric over their writing, at least from a personal perspective. I've dabbled in writing over the years and am hopelessly unaware of how one can come to obsess over their own work in this manner.

Man, the shit I've written isn't good by any means, but if someone offers me genuine criticism I'm not going to turn it down and scream hysterics because of it.
Brother, you have no idea. Often some chads will post snippets of the writers going apeshit on each other in their DC public chat, and it is ridiculous. One time Bubbles went absolutely crazy that nobody liked Quin, his companion in the game. Got clapped by his own coworkers.

Not exactly in a healthy mindset, the writers in general.
 

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Eh, might be just a difference of opinion on what constitutes "drama".



Well, I said "on the big policy decisions" specifically. They pretty much always back each other on that stuff.
I think Wsan is just mature enough to not air dirty laundry publicly. Even if there is drama which I assume there was, because there is constantly drama over there, Wsan is not the kind of guy to just let everyone know or argue in public chat. A tad bit more professional compared to the others.

So we have no way of knowing either way.

Also can it really be said that Tobs and Wsan had leadership input at the beginning of the game, when Tobs wasn't even a properly paid member of the team, doing shit for free? How'd he get to have managerial roles when there were other paid writers and he was a freebie...

Dude was literally on primadonna airs saying shit like getting paid would negatively affect his writing.
 

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Brother, you have no idea. Often some chads will post snippets of the writers going apeshit on each other in their DC public chat, and it is ridiculous. One time Bubbles went absolutely crazy that nobody liked Quin, his companion in the game. Got clapped by his own coworkers.

Not exactly in a healthy mindset, the writers in general.
They are as toxic towards each other as they are towards their own customers. It's literally insane, like a parody about how to not run your company.
 
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