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I agree completely with almost everything here except the problem not being Cait, but only if looked at through the narrative perspective. Granted the problems with her in the Watsonian context do exist or are made worse by Savin's writing and shit tier world building, but they unfortunately exist and affect her as a character. Hilariously if people actually developed emotional attachments to these characters as Savin clearly wants, like Alypia did to Ryn, then Cait would probably be viewed even worse once she's scrutinized.
Cait to me is a character that could have been good. Whether you like her initially or not, she had the potential to grow into someone new altogether. I always saw her personality as a byproduct of the cult teachings. She's vemently in denial about what she's doing as wrong because that's what her entire life is based off of. If savin was smart, he'd allow us to challenge that and either change her for the better or worst. I feel like she could be a likable character, but there's too much holding her back from being so, aka the plot and devs. So she's just the mis-mash of terrible shit and her presence is annoying due to that. Not to mention how many threesome scenes she gets when she isn't wanted.

I can't personally hate her because she's just beneath that for me.
 

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I'm curious, with all the Cait smack talk that's normal around here you guys never add her to your party?

IDK man as a Charmer Main I find my best team is either Arona (Nightfang) with Ryn (Queen Railment) or Cait (Spellblade) and Brienne (Green Knight)

Ryn/Brienne are quite the effective supports while Cait/Arone 100% focused on damage do incredibly good, letting my Charmer be an AoE nuker/healer (praise be Bolstering Dnace!) alongside a Summoner...if anything survives more than 2 turns that is.

P.S: Best thing about Shizuya was the added fight where ya can kick her butt
 
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I dunno, maybe I'm not far enough in the game yet (only Khor'Minos after the plains Mares and the Frost Elves), but I really don't see the Cait and Brint hate. I could see if this was like a regular RPG, but sex is basically another form of currency in this world. Literally so in the case of like Evergreen and shit. Brint CAN'T cuck you because he's just "borrowing a dollar", and you could do the same to any other character. I DO think though, that you should at least get the choice, since he's supposed to be your friend. As far as Cait, I think it's weird that Mallach's sect exists at all, because that seems like what the world is like anyway, but also that they're looked down on by anyone, because again look at the world. But other than that, Cait passes for a sweet girl in this universe, I feel like she's boring and preachy at worst. I would like a quest line where we could usurp the wraith Gods with our own companions though. Both from pure and corrupt standpoints I think it would be a cool narrative. Someone brought up a puppet queen Ryn corrupt storyline and this would be that but worldwide.
 

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Because futa became popular real fast thanks to some excellent animators and games and when something becomes popular you start getting people who will make sure at any cost there super special ocs will be seen and liked by everyone besides fenoxo games always had ocs like this like the cat guy in part 1
See, I can understand that even if I never got the appeal (and never will, it looks like shit), but it's just a hilarious phenomenon. You can go on your regular adventure, never ever going out of your way to engage with the futa conundrum, you can actively stick with straight sex... And yet, there's a decent chance that the time the PC finds a futa, he'll (or she, or them) suddenly act like they're foundational members of the Futalovers Society, a completely different character.

And it's never like that with straight women, it's usually (possibly always, dodge them like the plague to tell) futa.

Questy kinda dipped after they were released onto the public. Judging from their posts, they really intended Shizuya to be some super cool OC everyone would love and left when that was far from unanimous. Left the forum and I think the public discord, pretty sure Questy still writes for TiTS. Questy confirmed their supposed to be super awesome badasses and clowns doing a comedy sketch and didn't want to consider future proofing for future ships. Declared them to be super awesome with military grade hardware, which slight fucking rant on this, military grade means cheap and easily mass produced for a large quantity of soldiers and to have backups, not cutting edge shit. So if Questy was smart then the "military grade" excuse would mean they should be easier to fight. Also used the excuse of ignoring the distress call despite intentionally setting the damn thing as a noob trap to prey on the preestablished learned behavior of checking distress calls. It also ignores that if you do the distress call you are stuck in this shit, you don't get to say no or express discomfort. Shoutout to the person downplaying Riya's racism at the end like that wasn't the point of her character lol.

Questy pissed off, Nonesuch ran some damage control, I think my earlier statement was wrong and they added a skip this shitshow button because they had some serious complaints of discomfort from the content being so egregious and predatory and having no warning, and now Shizuya is forsaken. She should've been removed and had her items moved to a vendor on the ice planet or the pirate planet. I assume this shit was greenlit since Questy does so much writing for TiTS that they figured a little super special OC as a treat wouldn't hurt. Till it did.

She has some defenders, but they certainly didn't make a good case.

Real talk, idk what the hell that counts as for a penis type. I think a fusion between cat and horse genitals. I hate that I typed that sentence.
At first while reading the thread, I thought that maybe he wrote them as an early encounter, so that maybe the PC wouldn't have access to heavier stuff to defend themselves against the clowns.

Then a guy shows up and states that nope, they'd already have weaponry to handle them and the writer goes "no way, that's bullshit, they can't defeat Amara" while ignoring one of the hardest characters to beat (or so says the wiki) as a "creepy neuter living in the trash". Good job.

I'm fairly amused by their defense against the one guy that complains vocally about it. Little bit of gaslighting (classic) here, little insult there. But the winner really is the guy going "aw, you must think you're a special snowflake". In defense of the literal special snowflake crew.

As for the penis, they're big enough that they might as well be. Unfortunately for Questy's wonder OC crew, that also means they can't even jog lightly or they'll have a heart attack from the strain on their blood vessels.

People need to realize that these people only write to get themselves off and hope no one with an IQ above room temperature will call them out on such cringeworthy behaviour. Seriously, Questy was unironically shocked that people thought this was ass, and came up with such a cop-out answer.

Hopefully, people start smarting up soon with erotic content creators and their insesent dumbassary.
Wouldn't be a problem if their lead curtailed that sort of stuff. Alas...

Cait to me is a character that could have been good. Whether you like her initially or not, she had the potential to grow into someone new altogether. I always saw her personality as a byproduct of the cult teachings. She's vemently in denial about what she's doing as wrong because that's what her entire life is based off of. If savin was smart, he'd allow us to challenge that and either change her for the better or worst. I feel like she could be a likable character, but there's too much holding her back from being so, aka the plot and devs. So she's just the mis-mash of terrible shit and her presence is annoying due to that. Not to mention how many threesome scenes she gets when she isn't wanted.

I can't personally hate her because she's just beneath that for me.
The thing with Cait is that the only way she could improve was to literally undo the years of brainwashing by the groomers and there's basically no way in hell Savin would even commit to it, let alone deliver.

That would require accepting that the groomers are, indeed, groomers and you all know how touchy that subject is.

I'm curious, with all the Cait smack talk that's normal around here you guys never add her to your party?
I operate under three squad rules.
  1. No Quin.
  2. No futa unless mandatory or beneficial for a quest.
  3. Cait has to stay at the inn for as long as possible.
So, for Cait.

Early recruit, benched once there's enough party members to go with. In my playthrough, she lasted as a starter up until Atugia joined, which then also happened to be around the time Brint got the Brienne armor.

Which means he was on a race to cucking the almighty champion I'm a Moron. Alas, four days later, Brienne missed her chance. Of course, Brienne has the problem of getting pregnant quite regularly, so I opt to bench her whenever it happens out of genuine politeness.

Normally, that would be troublesome, but then I remember of the mere existence of the bee knight. Of course, that then in turn means she complains about not having the courage for scissoring. PC says balls to that, crisis averted.

Then I add Vivianne and Granny Phoenix to the mix and Cait's odds of leaving the bench drastically go down.

In soccer terms, Cait is a reserves member who's sole job is delivering the training bibs. She would complain, but she then remembers that Arona and Etheryn are suspended from the team over repeated aggravating behavior and Quin is begging for food two roads down the stadium.
 

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I dunno, maybe I'm not far enough in the game yet (only Khor'Minos after the plains Mares and the Frost Elves), but I really don't see the Cait and Brint hate. I could see if this was like a regular RPG, but sex is basically another form of currency in this world. Literally so in the case of like Evergreen and shit. Brint CAN'T cuck you because he's just "borrowing a dollar", and you could do the same to any other character. I DO think though, that you should at least get the choice, since he's supposed to be your friend. As far as Cait, I think it's weird that Mallach's sect exists at all, because that seems like what the world is like anyway, but also that they're looked down on by anyone, because again look at the world. But other than that, Cait passes for a sweet girl in this universe, I feel like she's boring and preachy at worst. I would like a quest line where we could usurp the wraith Gods with our own companions though. Both from pure and corrupt standpoints I think it would be a cool narrative. Someone brought up a puppet queen Ryn corrupt storyline and this would be that but worldwide.
From what you said it sounds like you speedrun the main questline, which means you barely even scratched the surface of the events that make people hate Cait and Brint. You'll understand it eventually as you play more.
 

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I'm curious, with all the Cait smack talk that's normal around here you guys never add her to your party?

IDK man as a Charmer Main I find my best team is either Arona (Nightfang) with Ryn (Queen Railment) or Cait (Spellblade) and Brienne (Green Knight)

Ryn/Brienne are quite the effective supports while Cait/Arone 100% focused on damage do incredibly good, letting my Charmer be an AoE nuker/healer (praise be Bolstering Dnace!) alongside a Summoner...if anything survives more than 2 turns that is.

P.S: Best thing about Shizuya was the added fight where ya can kick her butt
I don't give a single fuck about this game's balance so I always run Brienne and Viviane (it was Brienne and Berwyn at first, but then they murdered my boy).
 

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I'm curious, with all the Cait smack talk that's normal around here you guys never add her to your party?
I like Arona and Ryn a lot so not particularly, but if I feel I'm heading into some shit then I bring her along since she's a great party member. Spirit Totem Arona(one of the best companion sets in the game) and Red Mage Cait is fucking sick. And my own PC is a "Paladin" so we're just holy blasting everything in sight.
 
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I'm curious, with all the Cait smack talk that's normal around here you guys never add her to your party?

IDK man as a Charmer Main I find my best team is either Arona (Nightfang) with Ryn (Queen Railment) or Cait (Spellblade) and Brienne (Green Knight)

Ryn/Brienne are quite the effective supports while Cait/Arone 100% focused on damage do incredibly good, letting my Charmer be an AoE nuker/healer (praise be Bolstering Dnace!) alongside a Summoner...if anything survives more than 2 turns that is.

P.S: Best thing about Shizuya was the added fight where ya can kick her butt
I have surpassed the need for party at this point. But early game (on my main save which is the Cat Watch, no Cait recruit run)? I waited 6 days for Atugia to spawn (that's all you need, and you don't need to recruit Cait for it). Then picked up Brint, headed south, got mirror stance so I could get some early, broken spells, then grabbed the armour for Brienne. After that you're set to use whomever you like. Personally went with Azrryan and either Brienne, or Quint if it was one of the content blocs where he is the solution to every problem (pirate ship). Lack of heals is annoying, but spells like Corruptive Blast annihilate everything that isn't a daemon in 2 turns (even imps don't have enough Blight resistance). The level 8 ice themed spells that came out not too long ago wipe the floor with everything now, so I only take companions out if I'm after a scene.

Really the rest of them just became alternative skins for the two jobs I needed doing: Aggro magnet, and buffing safety net. Found Brienne was superior to Arona. I tried dragging Agni about but she didn't add anything. Viviane... I still have no idea what the point of her is. Atugia I would fire if I could now I don't need her. Etheryn was benched the moment we finished her story, and I had levelled enough not to need her pittance of healing. And Kiyoko stayed in the fucking medallion where she belongs.
 
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Not to mention how many threesome scenes she gets when she isn't wanted.
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I'm curious, with all the Cait smack talk that's normal around here you guys never add her to your party?
No. Even before save editing to go solo, the constant rebalances were harsher to her than anyone else. Despite all her sets she's been power creeped to hell. Plus bringing her along just has her interact with stuff even more and I am not about dealing with her.

At first while reading the thread
Questy is about as good at handling criticism as Savin and Tobs, but has the stupid takes like Alypia. The only real difference is Questy has a clear hyper fetish. He barely tried to defend after everything and I assume was told not to since the wording from Nonesuch implied they were getting DMs and not threads about how much people hated Shizuya or felt disgusted and upset by her content. I feel like the only reason Shizuya wasn't erased was cause Questy writes so much for them, but they definitely delayed porting Shizuya into Java.

The character showed up FREQUENTLY in that old "Characters you liked/disliked" thread too, notable she was a prime contender for the dislike/hate category, with some even giving well-worded winded explanations as to why they did not like her faux distress call event lol. Like after Shizuya was released people HAMMERED into her.
Shizuya was left at the bottom with the likes of Badger and Riya. It was clear no one liked her. I don't think she was on anyone's likes list on that thread. Hell I think Badger showed up in likes more than Shizuya.

When I was a younger adult and dumb as shit I was unfortunately one of those people that egged him during writing the doc for that one bc there was iirc the dominant femboy character that was planned to be part of her crew that you could get fucked by (Which looking at the wiki never came to pass, so even my younger porn brained mind starving for femboys that didn't have tiny dicks and even used them had lost interest relatively quickly upon her implementation)
The crew we got pretty much stopped existing once the intro ended since I assume Questy lost motivation for them or was told to not make things worse.

I could see if this was like a regular RPG, but sex is basically another form of currency in this world. Literally so in the case of like Evergreen and shit. Brint CAN'T cuck you because he's just "borrowing a dollar"
The issue is there is no choice in the matter, the narrative goes out of its way to glaze Brint's sexual performance, and tries to make him your bestie without your input. Also it's less borrowing a dollar imo and more reaching into your wallet and taking a dollar, cumming on it, and sticking it back into your wallet. I hate that analogy given it's reductive towards the usually female characters he fucks, but that's the more accurate analogy.

As far as Cait, I think it's weird that Mallach's sect exists at all, because that seems like what the world is like anyway, but also that they're looked down on by anyone, because again look at the world. But other than that, Cait passes for a sweet girl in this universe, I feel like she's boring and preachy at worst.
Cait's issue is that she's shoehorned in as a deuteragonist/true protagonist but has zero growth or arc and is neither compelling nor interesting. Combined with all the negative implications around her if you do get invested in the plot and lore, the way she just shows up in scenes until mid act 2 for no reason and no one can tell if it's a glitch or the narrative just shoving her in, and the amount of updates that boil down to "deploy tactical cocksucker" for her and you got a an unpopular character. Even Savin seems to not like her anymore.

Reject Cait, embrace Katya. Dammit I need more Katya content. Where's the Katya over Cait mod?

Viviane... I still have no idea what the point of her is.
She was supposed to be a debuffer with damage dealing utility, but the act 2 fight balance and the overall combat rebalance made her useless since the meta is spam AoE and occasionally pop a heal or group heal if you aren't save editing your stats. Which is weird since I'm pretty sure her creator is very involved with the coding and even spearheaded the combat rebalance for Savin so he should've known she'd end up useless. Or maybe they think people are playing for long drawn out battles in which case yeah I guess Viviane works for that in theory, but the power loadouts are too small to make full use of that or do anything interesting so just spam AoE or hit run because the fighting sucks ass.
 

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From what you said it sounds like you speedrun the main questline, which means you barely even scratched the surface of the events that make people hate Cait and Brint. You'll understand it eventually as you play more.
No, I've been meandering around quite a bit. At least I feel like I have, I'm at ~120/140 days (pure/corrupt saves) and I haven't even done Khor yet, just got there.
 
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No, I've been meandering around quite a bit. At least I feel like I have, I'm at ~120/140 days (pure/corrupt saves) and I haven't even done Khor yet, just got there.
A lot of the hate lingers and ferments with time. Literal years for most of us (personally used to be a backer when there was just two zones, a fact I am not proud of). You've only just started (not to mean that in an insulting sense, in many ways I am envious), and so you've likely not had enough dots joined yet, or enough petty annoyances stack. It also depends on how much you engage with the writing. Some people digest every word, internalising it as literal, while others pick and choose how much of it is in their cannon of the story. I feel like an old shit-head saying this, but the jist is that your lack of violent reaction is not an issue with you, but more just a sign that, to the old grognards at the bar, that you're still "Young" to this war.

For me, the characters sleeping around is not an issue (save for the clear conflict with the whole 'demon promiscuity bad' plot point), I'm fine with a swinger's world. I have grievance when the game ignores my character's input and puts words (and thoughts, impulses, and tastes) in their mouth. Cait symbolises this for me, because she takes away control in several scenes, has the lack of seriousness bordering on a mascot character in a 90's cartoon, is divorced from consequence in the world, and keeps getting more attention than characters who are far more interesting.

What is Cait's story? To save her sister? Hardly. She ditches that plot the moment you meet evergreen. Hell, in the tutorial they added a scene where, despite hearing her sister screaming for help in the background, she drops everything to give the PC a blowjob.

To spread the faith of her disgusting grooming god, who is 'Sooooo tortured' over the victims he consumed to ascend to godhood (not enough to regurgitate their souls, a thing we know is possible), enough to make a homunculus (River/Rivers) so he can vicariously live through their stolen dreams? Then why doesn't her story end when you build the temple, or can tell her the truth about her faith? Why, is Cait, here?

The answer; because she's Savin's fap material, or was, till he got bored of her. From time to time he remembers her, like a dirty magazine on the floor, and gives her one more tug.

Outside of mechanics, which are circumvented because of how broken this game is, Cait's existence is nothing more, than a used, crusty, sock. That Savin keeps shoving in our faces, as if he's proud of his accomplishment.

And yet... she is not my number one most hated. I'll wear this badge given to me by Tsubuhaza with a fuzzy feeling in my breast. But my number one most hated element of this game, is the one that pulled back the curtain for me. Fucking. Kiyoko. And her Fucking. Creator. The Observer. Gaslighting everyone into believing that, just because they did not enjoy child abuse, they were, in fact, lolicons. You go months, of updates, in which you're invested in the lovey-dovey relationship with a character and your family, just to suddenly have a chance to save them, and in the process, ruin everything. You go from doting father (back then it was male character exclusive) in a clumsily written drama, to suddenly an absentee dad in an abusive house-hold. And if you complained in the forums, the response you got was "You only wanted to diddle your daughter". That, was my Kiyoko moment.

Stick around long enough, and you'll find your Kiyoko moment. Your point where you just snap, and go "Okay, I did not sign up for this."
 
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No, I've been meandering around quite a bit. At least I feel like I have, I'm at ~120/140 days (pure/corrupt saves) and I haven't even done Khor yet, just got there.
Yeah, nah. 120 days is barely anything for this game. Some quests make you fuck around with nothing to do while waiting out a timer for months of in-game time. Or special cases like Kiyoko who only have one interaction per day, so to get let's say 20 kids with her, you minimum need 2-3 months of doing nothing but spamming sex with her. And also many events just skip the days forward for *reasons*.
So the day count is largely misleading or even an outright incorrect indicator of playtime.
 
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I don't play the game or look at the thread for months, because I'm actually developing a life. Decide to boot up the game for the first time in a while and see this abomination of a scene.
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Like what the fuck is this. How do you sit down, write this shit, and think, "Yeah this is some fucking AMAZING writing."? I would rather subject myself to watching an entire season of The Big Bang Theory than re-experience this scene for the first time again. Holy fucking christ, I was looking through the thread before booting up the game for a second and thought you guys were dumbasses for still going on about this game but nevermind. Keep up the good work.

I think this is the scene that breaks me. I'm not coming back to this game unless some good community-made shit gets added. God what a joke.

Edit: Ignore the fact that I'm a dumbass and only censored one instance of name.
 

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You go from doting father (back then it was male character exclusive)
And he held on to that as long as he could too. I don't think he was being close minded despite the setting either, I think his railroaded ass story in his head had the champion as a generic male and so anyone who wanted to deviate wasn't welcome. Not even futa players or herm players. Ya know, what his boss assumes everyone plays as by default. I wonder if Tobs got mad when told he had to go back and add pronoun parser to those scenes since it destroyed his aRTiStIc VIsiOn?

the response you got was "You only wanted to diddle your daughter".
The irony of Tobs always giving variations of that response while posting commissioned art of Kinu being fucked by one of his self inserts never got discussed over there like it should've in hindsight. He made his PFP one of Kinu's "getting that good D" faces from one of those pieces too. Never could tell if it was a weird troll attempt or if he was projecting and wanted to bang his creation.

Anyone else who was over there notice Tobs seemed to favor farmer Kinu oddly enough?

I'm at ~120/140 days (pure/corrupt saves) and I haven't even done Khor yet, just got there.
I know it's a gameplay and story segregation thing, but Kas and Tollus are really dragging their feet. I realize a Fallout style time limit would not go over well but it's still funny how we can dick around for months and they just can't advance their plans without us. They need Champion-Senpai to notice them.

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I don't play the game or look at the thread for months, because I'm actually developing a life. Decide to boot up the game for the first time in a while and see this abomination of a scene.
Is this real? I've never gotten this scene before. It's very bad sitcom coded. Seems out of place for the setting.

thought you guys were dumbasses for still going on about this game but nevermind. Keep up the good work.
It can be both.
 

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I don't play the game or look at the thread for months, because I'm actually developing a life. Decide to boot up the game for the first time in a while and see this abomination of a scene.
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Like what the fuck is this. How do you sit down, write this shit, and think, "Yeah this is some fucking AMAZING writing."? I would rather subject myself to watching an entire season of The Big Bang Theory than re-experience this scene for the first time again. Holy fucking christ, I was looking through the thread before booting up the game for a second and thought you guys were dumbasses for still going on about this game but nevermind. Keep up the good work.

I think this is the scene that breaks me. I'm not coming back to this game unless some good community-made shit gets added. God what a joke.

Edit: Ignore the fact that I'm a dumbass and only censored one instance of name.
You're probs gonna look down on me for this but I think it's actually a really cute scene in concept. I like this a lot. But the problem is that it's attached to this game and these characters.

Like, I LIKE seeing characters be sweet and corny towards their loved ones doing little things for eachother, I like when it can let itself not take itself seriously. After all, who says that a couple (or throuple) needs to be serious all the time. That gets stiff and stuffy, even in writing. I rather this over Tobs's writing which is the most dry unromantic-feeling shit out there to read and that's when he's trying to make it such.

But it has to be attached to LiaAzzy, who as a concept are sullied to hell. The scene is cute, you can call it fanfic-y but it's at least not stiff. Just, the characters, and it's very obvious SKoM wants this to be a fanfic with them but it has to be in the game. Like gurl, just write standalone stuff, I betcha it wouldn't have the heat it has in the game bc the PC won't have to be slapped into there on obligation nor the expectations to be professional or whatever.
 
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I don't play the game or look at the thread for months, because I'm actually developing a life. Decide to boot up the game for the first time in a while and see this abomination of a scene.
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Like what the fuck is this. How do you sit down, write this shit, and think, "Yeah this is some fucking AMAZING writing."? I would rather subject myself to watching an entire season of The Big Bang Theory than re-experience this scene for the first time again. Holy fucking christ, I was looking through the thread before booting up the game for a second and thought you guys were dumbasses for still going on about this game but nevermind. Keep up the good work.

I think this is the scene that breaks me. I'm not coming back to this game unless some good community-made shit gets added. God what a joke.

Edit: Ignore the fact that I'm a dumbass and only censored one instance of name.
Netflix could only pray for such quality writing material
 

MoneyMan181

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You're probs gonna look down on me for this but I think it's actually a really cute scene in concept. I like this a lot. But the problem is that it's attached to this game and these characters.

Like, I LIKE seeing characters be sweet and corny towards their loved ones doing little things for eachother, I like when it can let itself not take itself seriously. After all, who says that a couple (or throuple) needs to be serious all the time. That gets stiff and stuffy, even in writing. I rather this over Tobs's writing which is the most dry unromantic-feeling shit out there to read and that's when he's trying to make it such.

But it has to be attached to LiaAzzy, who as a concept are sullied to hell. The scene is cute, you can call it fanfic-y but it's at least not stiff. Just, the characters, and it's very obvious SKoM wants this to be a fanfic with them but it has to be in the game. Like gurl, just write standalone stuff, I betcha it wouldn't have the heat it has in the game bc the PC won't have to be slapped into there on obligation nor the expectations to be professional or whatever.
It would be fine if:
A) The dialogue wasn't so fucking cheesy. Like dawg I get it, they're in love with each other. But can we not be like, "You're so freakin' gay gurrrrl. Yassss girl i'm such a lesbian, i'm slaying pussy SOOOO hard." It's just fucking cringe and assigning more personality to my PC I didn't ask for.
B) It didn't fuck up the setting even more. I don't think we're making pajamas with cutesy little designs on them in the fucking bronze age, let alone custom ones that would allow Azzy to fit in it with her giant ass stinger. Every tailor/seamstress is rolling in their fucking grave with that one.

It's just so unimaginably immersion breaking to see this shit in a game trying to be an "RPG" and taking itself even a little seriously. If I saw this in an Ao3 fic based on modern times, I would just think it's corny and move on. This isn't me being an unromantic asshole, I fucking live for fluff. Bonding with your kids in this game is probably my favorite thing in this game. But this is just... bad. It reads like it's from a bad sitcom, which would be acceptable at least if it didn't clash so fucking hard with the setting and aesthetic of the game. And yeah the fact that it's Liaden of all people certainly doesn't help.

Workshop the dialogue(namely the last two lines because jesus christ) and get rid of the immersion breaking "jammies", the scene could actually work. Like you said, it reeks of fanfic energy and imo it's obvious this was just something they came up with and shoved in as a first draft.
 

gembunny

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Yeah ya know what fair enough. I forgot about the Bronze Age shit bc it's so unutilized outside the wraith shit.

At this point we need to remember Savin and co don't follow their set-up that this is the Bronze Age so IG at this rate why push that it exists there either outside of it being weird inconsistent set dressing.
If they hadn't pushed that it was that era so hard I feel like these things wouldn't be as damning. If you can't follow era rules, don't apply it to your world and just hand wave it when anyone asks. It's a fantasy world blah blah, you can do that.
 

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No, I've been meandering around quite a bit. At least I feel like I have, I'm at ~120/140 days (pure/corrupt saves) and I haven't even done Khor yet, just got there.
Yeah, like others said, it's something you eventually develop throughout.

I'd liken my adventures with it to Tokimeki Memorial 3. In Tokimemo 3, there's an infamous character named Yukiko Makihara, who was more or less set to be the "easy difficulty option" of the whole pack of characters for the player to date. She'd meet him regularly enough, she's always set to be your classmate and you're likely to stumble upon her in most runs quite often.

Unfortunately for her, it also means that she would become the game's greatest obstacle should you ever dare to try another girl instead of her, earning her the nickname of Moehino's Mad Bomber, due to her likelihood of tripping bombs on you that lower the opinion the other girls have towards you under the excuse that you "hurt her feelings" for, you know, not engaging with her.

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So, how does that liken to CoC2? Easy, my start wasn't too bad per se, I wasn't amazed by it, but I could see some promise, even if there were those little signs of things going awry at the seams. And then, the first bomb trips up. KinuQuest, of course, was the moment my opinion of the game soured. A poorly handled revenge plot aiming at haters that had long since moved on, led by an insufferable writer that accomplishes nothing worthy, except creating animosity towards the project itself.

Unfortunately, that was really just the warning salvo and more bombs kept blowing up my respect for Savco, bit by bit. Here's a forced lesbian plot from a writer who got too into their fanfic. Here's a character that could have been an interesting approach to the trans issue that most of us, if not all, know at least someone entangled with it, only to be blown into smithereens because Savin has a fetish and damn it if he won't be able to indulge in it. Here's another futa update to lump into a pile as they don't move forward with the damn plot. Here's the fan submission process (game gets subscriber money, but we'll gladly not pay you for work if you're willing to do so) that mysteriously tends to be way nicer to shit Savin likes.

I think the main reason I'm still sticking around and waiting for the modding days, it's because of a sincere belief that this game could have been much better at the hands of someone that cares. Savin has never been that someone.

And yet... she is not my number one most hated. I'll wear this badge given to me by Tsubuhaza with a fuzzy feeling in my breast. But my number one most hated element of this game, is the one that pulled back the curtain for me. Fucking. Kiyoko. And her Fucking. Creator. The Observer. Gaslighting everyone into believing that, just because they did not enjoy child abuse, they were, in fact, lolicons. You go months, of updates, in which you're invested in the lovey-dovey relationship with a character and your family, just to suddenly have a chance to save them, and in the process, ruin everything. You go from doting father (back then it was male character exclusive) in a clumsily written drama, to suddenly an absentee dad in an abusive house-hold. And if you complained in the forums, the response you got was "You only wanted to diddle your daughter". That, was my Kiyoko moment.
I think it... sort of helps for Kiyoko that she's not an active plot force like Cait sort of is. You can leave both Kiyoko and Cait on the shelf. I haven't released her from the orb yet, probably still won't unless someone, maybe even me, rewrites the situation so that we can get them out of it without some wanton fuckery by a sad clown.

But like, Kiyoko doesn't spring up for no reason like Cait.

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I don't play the game or look at the thread for months, because I'm actually developing a life. Decide to boot up the game for the first time in a while and see this abomination of a scene.
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I'm having a really hard time not making a "Warning for Lethal Doses of Cringe" sign. Holy hell.
 
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