Hargan2

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That line has long been passed both by customers companies and some game devs on this site there's no closing that door anymore
I mean, just because someone else does something immoral/illegal/unethical does not automatically give you the right to do the same immoral/illegal/unethical thing. Granted, this is a piracy site, so to some extent we all possess a moral code which may be seen by others as less stringent and accepting of certain illegal activities (namely piracy), but still. "Other people do it so that makes it okay" is a pretty weak justification.
 

Skandranon

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There are plenty of lawsuits coming their way. I hope something comes out of it.
Not a chance. About as much use as suing a pirate site, for the same reasons.

AI is already freely available to everyone and becoming moreso continually. Regulating it's use is just trying to plug a dam with your fingers.
 
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I mean, just because someone else does something immoral/illegal/unethical does not automatically give you the right to do the same immoral/illegal/unethical thing. Granted, this is a piracy site, so to some extent we all possess a moral code which may be seen by others as less stringent and accepting of certain illegal activities (namely piracy), but still. "Other people do it so that makes it okay" is a pretty weak justification.
What i meant was customers companies and game devs will abuse ai in order to avoid paying writers musicians or artists for there work hell disney a billion dollar company used it for secret invasion rather then pay a few artists to do there intro i wasn't justifing stealing there work just saying its there and it will be abused until theres laws protecting them from it
 

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What i meant was customers companies and game devs will abuse ai in order to avoid paying writers musicians or artists for there work hell disney a billion dollar company used it for secret invasion rather then pay a few artists to do there intro i wasn't justifing stealing there work just saying its there and it will be abused until theres laws protecting them from it
Ah, I see, I misinterpreted your point then. My apologies.
 
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I know that this is pitate site and all that, but please do not feed other peoples works into AI generating alghoritims. For there are many moral, ethical and potential illegal reasons, alongside also devaluing the work artist/voice actors/writers etc.
> somebody invented sharp stone
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW DULL STONES CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses sharp tones now, time saved by its use increases overall survival chances of single individual, thus species

> somebody invented socks sewing machine
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HAND MADE SOCKS CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody have socks now, even poorest, time and people resources saved by automation used to further boost industrial revolution

> somebody invented internal combustion car
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HORSE BREEDERS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses cars now, not having one considered a sign of poverty and weirdness/goofiness

> somebody invented neural nets able to produce arts based on all the arts that were feed to it
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW ALL ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
> <we are here>
> time passes
> everybody uses neural nets now, not using one considered a sign of hard-crusted mind of grumbling old fart
 

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> somebody invented sharp stone
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW DULL STONES CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses sharp tones now, time saved by its use increases overall survival chances of single individual, thus species

> somebody invented socks sewing machine
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HAND MADE SOCKS CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody have socks now, even poorest, time and people resources saved by automation used to further boost industrial revolution

> somebody invented internal combustion car
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HORSE BREEDERS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses cars now, not having one considered a sign of poverty and weirdness/goofiness

> somebody invented neural nets able to produce arts based on all the arts that were feed to it
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW ALL ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
> <we are here>
> time passes
> everybody uses neural nets now, not using one considered a sign of hard-crusted mind of grumbling old fart
I'll look at your face when you lose your job because of some innovation.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
 

jfmherokiller

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when it comes down to ai, why bother todo anything if the ai can do it for you.

On a side note ive actually used ai to generate code to autoplay CoCII up to certain points so i can quickly get to scenes I desire.
 
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smithsmithsmith

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> somebody invented sharp stone
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW DULL STONES CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses sharp tones now, time saved by its use increases overall survival chances of single individual, thus species

> somebody invented socks sewing machine
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HAND MADE SOCKS CREATORS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody have socks now, even poorest, time and people resources saved by automation used to further boost industrial revolution

> somebody invented internal combustion car
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW HORSE BREEDERS OUT OF BUSINESS
> time passes
> everybody uses cars now, not having one considered a sign of poverty and weirdness/goofiness

> somebody invented neural nets able to produce arts based on all the arts that were feed to it
> NOOOOOOOOO WE SHOULD BAN IT!!!!! IT WOULD THROW ALL ARTISTS OUT OF BUSINESS
> <we are here>
> time passes
> everybody uses neural nets now, not using one considered a sign of hard-crusted mind of grumbling old fart
The one counter point to that is each of your other examples (besides maybe sharp stones) still leads to a fairly comparable number of jobs and as such a fairly comparable number of people supported by said jobs. The weavers were replaced by people who handled and maintained the looms, similarly horse breeders were replaced by mechanics and factory workers. AI has a much harsher drop off due to the sheer number of potential applications compared to the number of people required to maintain them. We're already in a bit of a dicey situation for low end workers right now given the weakening of unions over the last 50 years, a sudden influx of unemployment due to a mass automation of admin or creative positions could lead to some very troubled times indeed.
 

Quintilus

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I'll look at your face when you lose your job because of some innovation.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
The one counter point to that is each of your other examples (besides maybe sharp stones) still leads to a fairly comparable number of jobs and as such a fairly comparable number of people supported by said jobs. The weavers were replaced by people who handled and maintained the looms, similarly horse breeders were replaced by mechanics and factory workers. AI has a much harsher drop off due to the sheer number of potential applications compared to the number of people required to maintain them. We're already in a bit of a dicey situation for low end workers right now given the weakening of unions over the last 50 years, a sudden influx of unemployment due to a mass automation of admin or creative positions could lead to some very troubled times indeed.
My point was that it will be, and already are, used as a tool. And this moves discussion from 'thats a pretty handy tool' to sociology.

It cant replace everyone, purely from the fact that there are should be someone with experience who will check result of neural net is actually what it supposed to do or no. And somebody should be able to maintain/generate requests for neural nets.
My friendo who draws textures, model models and similar shit uses locally trained stable diffusion, IIRC, to generate ideas for models/textures/etc. He even made a photosession of my basement for a 'cool abandoned factory style', because there were no model with similarly trained dataset.
I personally used/trained one to generate some cool ideas for a doom (1/2) maps but it semi abandoned now because my time now is occupied with how to make a compiler/interpreter with dedicated VM.

And most complains about 'neural nets steals our job' is from kind of artists that draws tobs graphomany kind of shit.
Actual jobs that were 'optimized' by neural nets is that kind of jobs that should be illegal by default, like accounting from 8 to 8/9/10, 6/1 on minimal wage. Im aware the people who picked such jobs done it not because they live life on hardcore, unlike of those pesky casuals, but it WILL improve overall quality of job market/laws in perspective. Dont know is it will be short or long perspective, but there will be changes in this field. But this is a first world problem.
 

YouShallNotLol

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My point was that it will be, and already are, used as a tool. And this moves discussion from 'thats a pretty handy tool' to sociology.

It cant replace everyone, purely from the fact that there are should be someone with experience who will check result of neural net is actually what it supposed to do or no. And somebody should be able to maintain/generate requests for neural nets.
My friendo who draws textures, model models and similar shit uses locally trained stable diffusion, IIRC, to generate ideas for models/textures/etc. He even made a photosession of my basement for a 'cool abandoned factory style', because there were no model with similarly trained dataset.
I personally used/trained one to generate some cool ideas for a doom (1/2) maps but it semi abandoned now because my time now is occupied with how to make a compiler/interpreter with dedicated VM.

And most complains about 'neural nets steals our job' is from kind of artists that draws tobs graphomany kind of shit.
Actual jobs that were 'optimized' by neural nets is that kind of jobs that should be illegal by default, like accounting from 8 to 8/9/10, 6/1 on minimal wage. Im aware the people who picked such jobs done it not because they live life on hardcore, unlike of those pesky casuals, but it WILL improve overall quality of job market/laws in perspective. Dont know is it will be short or long perspective, but there will be changes in this field. But this is a first world problem.
Again, wait until the problen hits you personally, then you'll sing entirely different song.
Everyone is high and mighty solving prolbems that don't affect them personally. :KEK:
 

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when you're supposed to be the most important piece of the scene since you're basically the "bridge" between the character being fucked
One of the new Etheryn Arona threesomes has some of the same beats of one of the Vapula threesomes but paradoxically hits none of the highs due to the tendency to overemphasize NPC interactions in the pre and post scenes. Contrasting Vapula's threesomes (and pretty much any non CoC2 game when you get down to it) where the MC is the star of the show it's not hard to notice the differences. While the first game wasn't all highs it at least mostly (excluding like 3 scenes) did the job right.

Hearing about how good one NPC feels on their dick with another NPC isn't something you're capable of even attempting to make the player experience. Saying you're 'proud' that one NPC is fucking another NPC doesn't suddenly elicit that emotion in the viewer and it certainly does nothing for eroticism unless you're inherently already a person whose into voyeurism and sharing. There are perspectives that simply aren't going to rub off on people regardless of how hard you try to work at making it so.

So far just has scenes with other non futa females so kind of fool proof for no jealousy or bad vibes
I'll state that not all of her threesomes are that good. It's also not just her not being in scenes with other dicks though that certainly helps a bit given it takes away the other authors ability to absolutely mishandle a scene that require finesse.
In general, I believe it's more that the purpose of those scenes are done in service for the player with enough decent description to help convey the sensations and successfully carry a scene. Brienne also adores MC. Not MC and NPC #2 equally. The MC.

I mention CoC1 a lot but it's not like it was all success either in threesomes either. Of particularly infamous nature there was anything with Urta. Then there's Proto-Paige Brooke and Heckal or w/e her name was, all of Kath's threesomes, Amily x Jojo, and I feel like I'm forgetting something. Well whatever. But there were still a decent amount of good ones and generally they're more hit than miss.

On average most games do threesomes in a way where I like to see them and see more of them. Threesomes in CoC2 however I go into assuming they're going to be mediocre


...Hmm.
Ah hell. I've got time for a bit more.

Characters like cait who spread 'em while doing it and tell someone else it's free real estate, open farming tool, minimal bad feelings besides stuff like the lusamine stuff while she makes PC sit inside, or when you have multiple characters that love PC and/or each other, sister wives, harems etc, which most of the time is just vanilla with toppings and is very lovey dovey, like in nekopara etc.
Cait would be free real estate but she's now in some weird limbo where she's meant to be a lover as well as a slut and unlike Helia, actually opting to be a lover doesn't change anything. I remember reading a conversation about how somebody thought Cait Anal was exclusive with the PC but she'll get railed in the ass by Arona if you do that threesome.
As an aside, I swear everytime this archetype shows up they progressively get worse.

Free real estate is closer to Anno in TiTS where you're getting dragged into insane hot sexcapades that generally play out like a more proper fuckbuddy experience. Or maybe Vapula. There's not a scene with Vapula where she's not making the PC the star of the show as the two of you just get hot, steamy, and passionate regardless of who you're plowing at the moment


and she's not even a lover!
Though CoC get's a bit harsh for somebody like me at times, they generally end up being so hot regardless that I push beyond it.

Just with, say, bisexual women, they can be wrote getting off on each other and still having a male PC feel special, (that's the girl they like, you're the guy they like etc) but with a futa on a love interest, and swinger centric writing, it almost always feels like choosing a threesome is explicitly letting someone else bang your girl/guy while you're in the corner wanking, and you're the third wheel/someone picked up at a bar. Even then, if it was explicitly in scenarios where someones getting railed and then their partner or someone else bangs you specifically, kinda like how the liaden/az scene goes when Cait sees you, then it'd have room for competition, or possibly PC being the one called bigger and better by THEIR partner, but the only one that seems to go there is the shark harem victory scene.
I could swear I remember Brienne having a threesome with somebody (probably Azzyran) where she just passionately starts making out with her and paying the PC no mind while you "tussle an ear" or some similarly stupid phrase. It's possible to just muck up two women as well as it turns out.

I remember reading this:

and thinking, "Man that's a dumb stance. It's not the gender that's an issue which itself only makes it easier for the author to not fuck everything up."
As your previous examples mentioned the typical harem anime/game has the one character that is the center of the world. You're not the center if you're sharing the love equally. A tie for first place wouldn't sell the genre.
And I imagine B must have discovered this same conclusion given that the intro to the phoenix hellhound threesome was reworked so you don't just waltz into the cave to them fucking each other with no input.


Although... "swinger centric writing" is a good phrase.
Honestly I don't know why I'm wasting my energy talking about it.
This isn't much of a fun topic.

The reasons things are as they are is because this is the project leads fetish.
And you can tell by his general ire towards Brienne that this is exactly how things are meant to be.
That's basically all it comes down to.
 
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Lolicon Kami

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I'll look at your face when you lose your job because of some innovation.
Then you just weren't a good enough worker.

Again, wait until the problen hits you personally, then you'll sing entirely different song.
Everyone is high and mighty solving prolbems that don't affect them personally. :KEK:
Once innovation is here, you're screwed anyways. Want America to ban AI? Well, then, China will just keep to continue developing it. And India. And Japan. And EU.

And pretty soon all the companies will move their white-collared jobs from America to abroad instead, because the high-tech, overseas companies making full use of AI will be making bank while America whines about "AI blah blah blah" And then you'll lose your job.

And since you seem to like history so much, I ask you: name a single time that someone managed to stop innovation for good.

Aristotle was killed, Galileo was outcasted. Their innovations live to this day out of pure merit that their innovations were better than their predecessors.

The Luddites declared war on technology. The industrial revolution irreversibly changed the world anyways.

The Amish still spurn technology. The world has left them behind and continues to produce even more advanced tech.

I would advise you start learning transferable skills (analytical reasoning, problem solving, adaptability, teamwork, leadership, communication, critical thinking, creativity, conflict resolution, etc) if you have the time to rant against tech on a porn website :)

And on the topic of porn, remember that this literal website you're typing on is an "innovation" that put countless porn mag producers and VHS mail porn out of business. Was it worth it? Or would you rather go back to the "good old days" where poor pirates had to satisfy themselves with one mag every couple of months (and once you bought it and ripped off the plastic cover, none of the girls are your type T_T remember those days??) :oops:
 
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