Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sionack]

I believe the total so far is around $700 including the bust and coding work.

Are you the dude who commissioned Kalysea? If so good shit, she's one of my favorites.

 

[Nidabutt]

Hi, and i don't have any intend to insult you, that your decision, and your fetish, and i will respect, but imagine im your wife and every day i do some disrespectful action to you (that scenes sissy wsan created), do you indure that respectful action from me ? Or imagine you hire me as a dominatrix, we have a safe word if i do action to hurt you, if i do more than that, the next time, you don't hire me, I don't have any problem with you.

Okay so I wanna actually address this because it's important. Maybe I can help bridge some understanding as to why she acts as she does.

Yes, Kalysea is not treating the PC with much respect you're correct, this is intentional. During her initial interactions with the PC she sees them more as a tool to achieve her goals than a partner, if they have some fun along the way then that's just a bonus. Kaly is not playing on your team, but your goals are somewhat aligned, think of her as a mysterious witch of the woods who seems to be working alongside you yet refuses to explain why while she pulls and tugs at your strings. That is meant to make you somewhat uncomfortable with her, the dynamic is finding her hot but also knowing that giving into those desires is a bad idea, a metaphorical succubus without the wings (plus the two extra hooves). She's a bad influence, but your curiosity draws you in, it's exciting because it's dangerous. I hope that explains why me and Wsan designed her content the way it is, currently in the game she is a 'villain'.

I will say though, Wsan is just writing for a porn game, any percieved slight is just that so please don't see it as him trying to antagonise you. He worked his butt off writing Kaly and I've been very happy with it so far as the commissioner.

 

[Alterism]

the difference is just what the current crop of writers like.

And that people quite literally voted with their wallet on what was getting pushed in CoC1.
Donation driven as well. The big decline was actually a result of...

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Wait, what am I saying?
This isn't an Aesop.

The lesson is, "shit happens."

Eh. I imagine that's only a thing if you accept the horse, at least.

When written well? Pretty alright.

CoC2 doesn't tend to write characters in a satisfying manner, don't build relationships, and don't create reasonable scenarios with which an NPC could become open to content X or Y.

They're always down for X or Y
And due to them always being down for X or Y, even if they don't do X or Y, they're always a character that could enjoy X or Y. The origin point is the same but it leads to different outcomes solely on observation. That's nonsense. CoC2 loves doing that alongside telling and not showing.

Ha. Porn Superposition?

 

[Walk Cycle]

CoC2 doesn't tend to write characters in a satisfying manner

That's it.

That's the whole thread.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Hmm.

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However, overall.
I still think B's a good writer.



For the porn space, anecdotally speaking, there's not a single game I've followed that hasn't taken a substantial amount of player input or at least considered the potential reactions of the player base when building their game. This stretches from things like 'where to spend developer time' to 'length and amount of content' to 'choice and scope of paths' to even simple things like "what do these character even look like". And most of them run polls constantly to keep their thumb on the pulse of their community. Feedback is substantially more useful on the rise than it is on the decline.

That said, there needs to be a bit of rigidity or else you end up like some games that completely lose their focus and the game devolves into an incomprehensible mess. A mish-mash of unfinished ideas, broken plot threads, shifting personalities, and obviously changing directions.


I put CoC in it's little own place.

Spoiler: yet another tangent comparing the two games.

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So some of the complaints you can read on Veilguard:

• The lack of player choice.
• The inability to be mean. Impossible to even disagree with your companions.
• Weaker characters with less depth
• Substantially fewer narrative choices
• Boring combat. I think the combat is fine. Personally. In Veilguard. It sucks in CoC2

And much like CoC2, you can play Veilguard for free.
I'm pretty sure we're playing exactly CoC2: Dragon Age Edition.

Neat breakdown, but the herd of bad writers in other porn games don't give it a pass in fact it makes us as the enjoyers and consumers look like idiots/shit-tasters for sponsoring foolishness.

 

[mistress.ayin]

Okay so I wanna actually address this because it's important. Maybe I can help bridge some understanding as to why she acts as she does.

Yes, Kalysea is not treating the PC with much respect you're correct, this is intentional. During her initial interactions with the PC she sees them more as a tool to achieve her goals than a partner, if they have some fun along the way then that's just a bonus. Kaly is not playing on your team, but your goals are somewhat aligned, think of her as a mysterious witch of the woods who seems to be working alongside you yet refuses to explain why while she pulls and tugs at your strings. That is meant to make you somewhat uncomfortable with her, the dynamic is finding her hot but also knowing that giving into those desires is a bad idea, a metaphorical succubus without the wings (plus the two extra hooves). She's a bad influence, but your curiosity draws you in, it's exciting because it's dangerous. I hope that explains why me and Wsan designed her content the way it is, currently in the game she is a 'villain'.

I will say though, Wsan is just writing for a porn game, any percieved slight is just that so please don't see it as him trying to antagonise you. He worked his butt off writing Kaly and I've been very happy with it so far as the commissioner.

Ok, i don't have any problem with you, but i prefer to kill kalysea at the first time i seen her, its empty jungle and there is no laws (of course octavia too).
And in my opinion Wsan are a sick person, i do not taking back my word, he has a mind illness.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race (heh!), on account of being the target audience for Wsan's writing, but this is something that always bugged me. And something you don't seem to get from the post you quoted: I don't want to abstain or avoid something, I want to AFFECT it.

This applies to most of the content in this game honestly

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

@mistress.ayin nothing but hate in your heart for Wsan, eh? :'D
But using $700 for a commission is crazy, wtf, I might get into this writing smut gig on side with some help from AI )

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Yes, Kalysea is not treating the PC with much respect you're correct, this is intentional. During her initial interactions with the PC she sees them more as a tool to achieve her goals than a partner, if they have some fun along the way then that's just a bonus. Kaly is not playing on your team, but your goals are somewhat aligned, think of her as a mysterious witch of the woods who seems to be working alongside you yet refuses to explain why while she pulls and tugs at your strings. That is meant to make you somewhat uncomfortable with her, the dynamic is finding her hot but also knowing that giving into those desires is a bad idea, a metaphorical succubus without the wings (plus the two extra hooves). She's a bad influence, but your curiosity draws you in, it's exciting because it's dangerous. I hope that explains why me and Wsan designed her content the way it is, currently in the game she is a 'villain'.

If this was what was represented then I 'd like her a lot more but that's not what we got; the PC doesn't bring up counter offers or the fact that a corrupted champ that is down for nefarious actions wouldn't recognize when they're being musked into compliance or asks "why can't I fuck u instead since u need me more than I need u?" We are forced to participate instead of negotiate like how the scene is framed.

 

[Biostar]

that the devs seem to not have bitten the culture bullet

If that was true there wouldn't be so much fuss over gender/sex in this game.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

If that was true there wouldn't be so much fuss over gender/sex in this game.

Neither there would be a bunch of literal trannies (like Hana).

 

[mistress.ayin]

@mistress.ayin nothing but hate in your heart for Wsan, eh? :'D
But using $700 for a commission is crazy, wtf, I might get into this writing smut gig on side with some help from AI )

This guy not created this kalysea only, look at all of his characters he created in the game (evelyn, if any one do that her works to me i will kill that person immidiatly, Orlaith, Klemaia, Yani, Octavia, ..., more and more), you can see the mental illness. He is a sadistic sissy guy with a strong humiliation forced fetishes.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

He does

This guy not created this kalysea only, look at all of his characters he created in the game (evelyn, if any one do that her works to me i will kill that person immidiatly, Orlaith, Klemaia, Yani, Octavia, ..., more and more), you can see the mental illness. He is a sadistic sissy guy with a strong humiliation forced fetishes.

He does seem to have that vibe of having harsh shit happen to the PC but we can't get to do that at all -_-

 

[YouShallNotLol]

This guy not created this kalysea only, look at all of his characters he created in the game (evelyn, if any one do that her works to me i will kill that person immidiatly, Orlaith, Klemaia, Yani, Octavia, ..., more and more), you can see the mental illness. He is a sadistic sissy guy with a strong humiliation forced fetishes.

Ok, with retrospect from other Wsan characters, I kinda start to see your point. And start to understand why he seemingly stopped giving a fuck about Brienne.

 

[Nidabutt]

If this was what was represented then I 'd like her a lot more but that's not what we got; the PC doesn't bring up counter offers or the fact that a corrupted champ that is down for nefarious actions wouldn't recognize when they're being musked into compliance or asks "why can't I fuck u instead since u need me more than I need u?" We are forced to participate instead of negotiate like how the scene is framed.

Doing so would require a sub Kaly route which I can't realistically afford to commission. As I've said many times people are free to commission it (or write it to contribute with standard proceedures) themselves, it would absolutely be possible within her story but by allowing the PC to say 'hey I want to bargain with X' you have to also write all of the content that follows. Right now the path follows the logic of 'the only winning move is to not play her game'.

Personally I actually really like the idea of having the option to turn the tables on Kaly and have her made into the PC's bondage pony like Eubicha for dommy players, but it's content I have no sexual interest in so I'm not gonna be cashing out on it. That being said I have been playing around with a middle-ground that allows for more flexibility with Kaly in your relationship but it all relies on what comes out of the discussion when things are ready to be worked on.

 

[icecreamman99]

@mistress.ayin nothing but hate in your heart for Wsan, eh? :'D
But using $700 for a commission is crazy, wtf, I might get into this writing smut gig on side with some help from AI )

for the amount of work and it including the art too, that stuff that might be lower than the norm

 

[Biostar]

If you have an option to completely remove content you dislike from the game how can you still be so angry about it?

There might have been a time when I would have said it takes Wsan away from other projects I'm actually interested in, but considering how much a disappointment his latest content has been, I don't really care about that anymore. Have at him.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

When written well? Pretty alright.

That was me supposing that Kalysea can only really affect the rest of the cast if you accept her around.

Good point, at any rate. Specially the bad apple bit. Their later handling of it made this place the better one to discuss it, whether you like the vitriol or not.

Neat breakdown, but the herd of bad writers in other porn games don't give it a pass in fact it makes us as the enjoyers and consumers look like idiots/shit-tasters for sponsoring foolishness.

Yeah. I'd argue there's more fun to be had on other games even if you don't find them good.

 

[mistress.ayin]

Doing so would require a sub Kaly route which I can't realistically afford to commission. As I've said many times people are free to commission it (or write it to contribute with standard proceedures) themselves, it would absolutely be possible within her story but by allowing the PC to say 'hey I want to bargain with X' you have to also write all of the content that follows. Right now the path follows the logic of 'the only winning move is to not play her game'.

Personally I actually really like the idea of having the option to turn the tables on Kaly and have her made into the PC's bondage pony like Eubicha for dommy players, but it's content I have no sexual interest in so I'm not gonna be cashing out on it. That being said I have been playing around with a middle-ground that allows for more flexibility with Kaly in your relationship but it all relies on what comes out of the discussion when things are ready to be worked on.

Dear if any one else (a player), does not know this theme and agree to help this npc, and seen this theme that player can not do the quit in this quest, you have only the Quit from the beginning, without any warning !!! and a problem of many players is why they created only "Not Interested" option, why can not do a combat and killing her and gain a corruption point (this path must be at the colosseum too, to kill Octavia on that moment), the game title is the corruption of champion, its mean you do some of dark works, for example i want to kill all of Wsan characters

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Neither there would be a bunch of literal trannies (like Hana).

Have you scene the Ryn controversy? At one point on the forum I think Alypia was saying "if guy says he's a girl then he's a girl" (I'm paraphrasing here) and any comments contrary to agreement was deleted. The lead Devs are Commies or at least act like it. Sexaulity is subjective, gender might be a combination of social conventions n natural inclinations but sex is unnegotiable by law of nature; you're either man (u have a dick) or woman (u have a pussy). Anything else is either a medical abnormality (like natural hermaphrodites), made up or in your head, and that's on you the individual.