Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Tsubuhaza]

Actually. At least one guy in fenoxo forums have bought that game on steam because it had Kinu in it.

I think the negative scenario would've been the other way around, to be honest. Someone hopping from CoC2 to something better is perfectly fine.

Dare I say benefitial in the long run, assuming this other project doesn't carry similar troubles.

Didn't want to snip this because it's a good post but I will because it's fucking huge

I will point out that the whole bit about loving updates is slightly wrong for starters, far as I recall the CoC2 updates weren't exactly hitting 100% even at the start. The first page of this thread had people knocking Savin so it wasn't exactly all rainbows and sugar clouds.

On that note, I think it kinda goes both ways. Some of the crew involved with this project are known for being abrasive, naturally attracting vitriol from others in response. Unlike most cycles, I doubt the latter stopping would improve the other.

I will say that, probably as a result of replaying it, I now find what they made as a rather puzzling mix of things. I found some of it legitimately fun like the quest with Garth's wife (one of the few occasions where a wordy section was worth the effort to read) and dealing with some of the NPCs (usually the less important ones like Lusamine or Clementine). I don't mind that harpy that shows up on the Wayfort and I also appreciate being able to spruce up the place in many ways to make it more remarkable and even profittable.

But reaching those require going past several word floods and the odd bit of "my NPC is special, dammit" that you eventually have to go through. I lowkey barely finished the bee girl and lesbian knight quest because I'd always end up finding something else that seemed more relevant to do. If it wasn't for the Wayfort, I'd never have found it. I also realise now that I haven't really recruited the bee which is probably why I wasn't given the option to play wingman for her.

And that brings up how some things in the game just aren't worth the effort. Swear it feels like every one in three quests presents a strong likelihood of the PC stumbling upon a girl who imconveniently happens to have a penis. Sometimes, it's not even telegraphed but you can just feel it coming miles away. Hell, you can even sort of hear the theoretical dungeon master saying "and she has a peeeeenis~" with the downside of not just slugging the fucker on the jaw for springing the eleventh futa on that day alone.

It's also a bit hard to get to things because the game can't go three steps outside a safe zone before springing a battle because, as it turns out, levelling up requires a fuckton of XP so you're just stuck with more fights than a Bruce Lee flick. Even worse than that, you don't even get that once you reach the level cap but you're still stuck fighting them.

I will say, however, that I agree with the sentiment that CoC2 isn't worth getting angry with. Game's a mess but it'll eventually come to end and we'll move on sooner or later.

Mostly improved quality of life and game mechanics stuff:
-Charmers got super-buffed & now can wreck the shit of enemies immune to their teasing.
-Backgrounds are now accesible to all classes thus you can make more combinations during character creation.
-All classes gotan Accuracy bonus and Agility's accuracy bonus got slightly nerfed, this to make hitting enemies easier for characters that don't level Agility.
-Toughness now increases your HP slightly better & Cunning helps lower your threat level.

That Toughness bit helps out, not gonna lie.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

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P.S.: would have never thought that TOBS would show up in this thread with his walls of text.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Yes, we had/have Taur and Nage Transform in Coc1/Tits. But that´s only half the truth.
Most scene in either Coc1 or Tits either don´t work as special body type or just completly ignore them, treating you as a bipedal.

I guess Savin could have allowed centaur and Naga, but then you would have had the same inconsistent mess those games had.
And I rather have consistency than weird body types. (Centaur would be really cool though)

If that's what you want - you deserve COC2 in its current state. It's consistently awful for everyone involved.

 

[dolosolo]

To the community that once embraced this game with passion, but now seems consumed by bitterness

fantastic perspective, I've come to love fenco games, and will likely continue to chase the highs i found beating it to coc over a decade ago.

my main issue that i do not know how to improve with these games, is the passion that held the original together. for all the originals shortcomings its mystique made it all tolerable, legendary even. people outside the fenco community only ever mention the first coc. what do you do when your fave falls off ? when they've forgotten the love for the game, the passion that built that mystique, down to the mechanical level ? when your favorite show is on its 3rd spinoff ? i yearn, i mourn, i watch current fenco make off like bandits, and non payroll writers get shafted. like they're cliqued up lunch table mean girls. if they loved and cared for the game that money would be reinvested into the project with more/new writers, fully realized mechanics like corruption and transformations, that achive greater heights than the original like a proper fucking sequel, (why can only some characters have 1 writer what childish ass workplace culture does fenco have that this is even a thing?). instead we get this sequenced slop drop(sometimes it hits tho ngl) that on paper certainly exceeds in scale but fuuuuck me i remember more coc items and that bitch had like 2 slots to coc2s 10 or something like this shit means nothing to me. all that seems to matter is the cash and if the drop is "good enuff".. effort? fuck that we made bank today boiii

im no stranger to abusive relationships which is y im even around here, i think i can save it, when youre right i should be saving myself and doing something better like starting a bookclub or a wine collection some real auteur shit. the first coc was on some auteur shit(lets not talk ab the ending), and coc2 is a commodity

 

[B-52 Stratofortress]

long ass post compounded with my own long ass post

Making a lot of assumptions here in regards to what people think about this game, all that fanfare about how the devs were our allies because they made content that appealed to us and that the community was some boy scout bonfire where we all once sung Kumbaya? If this is a troll post, then consider my ass trolled.

However, if you seriously think that the reasoning behind most of this displeasure is "they stopped doing what we liked, so now we hate it." then maybe you should take off those black-and-white glasses you've got on and enter into what's known as reality, with all of its wonderful greys and nuances that you evidently missed out on when they built you at the shill factory.

I can't speak for anyone else's grievances but my own, and my grievances with these games have always been their failure to uphold a proper development cycle and content to what was promised, large swathes of said content that either never got finished, got retconned out, or just left in their unfinished state as "feature complete", compounded with development cycles that could easily be described as "fluctuating between who's got the flu for the next month".

This would merely be an annoyance, but it extends past that point when you realise that these people get paid tens of thousands of dollars in crowdfunding to produce a product that is so lacking in content and depth for its actual dev cycle, one that spans almost, or at this point, a decade, that it actually becomes an embarrassment, one that should be displayed as such to those who view it.

And the fact is this: these devs promised content to a community that in some cases proceeded to never actually get said content or, even worse, got piecemeal of the content promised that was never going to stand up to the expectations set by previous promises.

To say, "People should just leave if they hate it so much because it just must hurt them inside with all that negativity and bitterness they hold." is just an out for you to deflect any criticism you perceive as a crusade against your do-no-wrong fetish porn game devs and their love for egotistical shitfests that leaves their games floundering on the dev hell rocks.

If you enjoy the game, then that's great, and I'm glad you can find enjoyment in it where some can no longer. But I'll be a barrel of monkey dicks if I'm not going to voice my concerns when this shit is still ongoing after ten years.

Also thanks for proving me right about the diatribe, lol.

 

[MoneyMan181]

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Hey people just like to shit on a mediocre porn game, it aint that deep man.

 

[Shopopo]

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Don't know if it's just me, but it says "no file". Hoping for a hotfix link!

 

[Roderik96]

Hoping for a hotfix link!

 

[NODOGAN]

Hoping for a hotfix link!

My brother in porn at this point I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that we might have to wait for the public release.

 

[Biostar]

How do you guys feel about the Katya/Cait threesome?

>First option is to watch them like a cuck
>No double dick option
>short as hell
>Champ is once again a one pump chump while Cait is able to go for a hour without getting tired
>You run out the room like a pansy while catgirls are fucking

Had to go see the centaur milfs as a palate cleanser.

 

[Wyrtyn]

>First option is to watch them like a cuck
>No double dick option
>short as hell
>Champ is once again a one pump chump while Cait is able to go for a hour without getting tired
>You run out the room like a pansy while catgirls are fucking
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Had to go see the centaur milfs as a palate cleanser.

Ngl it's amazing how badly CoC2 fails at giving your champion an identity/fantasy beyond maybe being caits bottom bitch? It really struggles w the actual PC and what they want them to be. Tits doesn't struggle with this shit. Steele is rich, famous, swashbuckling, inexperienced and trying to improvise how to get out of whatever the current shit is with a crack pipe, wrapping paper and a catalytic converter. That's kinda a constant from what i played. Meanwhile in CoC2 i honestly have no fucking idea what they want the Champ to be other than maybe a cuck. Hell i am pretty sure i already said this before here which shows that following this games development is some sort of punishment from a higher power for jaywakling or something.

 

[zwere]

And if you can’t do that? If all you can muster is bitterness and bile, then maybe it’s time to step away. Find something else that brings you joy, something that doesn’t come with a side of resentment. Find a hobby, a passion, a new challenge that doesn’t require you to tear something down to feel good about yourself. Life’s too short to waste it being angry. The game will evolve, the developers will move on, and so will the people who love it.

Brother, if you want to be a therapist this badly, just open a practice.

 

[PixelLewd]

I'd much prefer it if he stays contained to a failing two-bit furry porn game than attaching himself to any project that has actual potential lol

Honestly yeah, I 2nd this feeling. Pretty sure its for the best Tobs stays stuck in the "relatively unknown" game that is CoC2(in reference to the wider net), than it is to have him roam free and freely dropping his shit on actually good and more prospective projects.

Just imagine next game

Brother, I don't think there's going to be a next game. Short of whatever PC/server they have the CoC2 code on imploding, I'm pretty sure Savin and most of those working on CoC2 would rather milk it than ever actually finish it in any sense.

Especially since a new project would most likely NOT carry the weight/fame of the CoC name to dupe people into buying in the numbers people did for this so called sequel that is CoC2

 

[MarvintheBee]

Brother, I don't think there's going to be a next game. Short of whatever PC/server they have the CoC2 code on imploding, I'm pretty sure Savin and most of those working on CoC2 would rather milk it than ever actually finish it in any sense.

Especially since a new project would most likely NOT carry the weight/fame of the CoC name to dupe people into buying in the numbers people did for this so called sequel that is CoC2

I really would emplore you guys to visit their discord and listen to what they actually say.

Savin and Co can´t wait to be done with Coc2. They rather make cuts to content thant to keep writing for this game.
Conclusion to some charakters? Dropped in favor to finish main story.
Corrupted Khorminos? Also dropped.
Post Corrupted hive stuff? Will probably also get cut because nobody wants to write it.
We are lucky if we get corrupt centaur village.

They only thing they really look forward to is writing for their pet ocs. Something like Evelyn and Kalysea for Wsan, Hana for Savin and Kinu for Tobs. (But I haven´t heard from Tobs in a while So idk).

The only things I am still looking forward to are stuff from community writers like Jstar or B. Aury also exists but he is a Tobs lite who rather shit posts and mines salt than acctually write erotic content.

Their is much stuff they could still write to extend Coc2 life span but they won´t.
Savco wants to be done with the setting because they A. hate TFs, B. hate corruption and C. hate writing for the blob champ.

They want to make a new game. Where all of those things won´t exist.
When will that be? Who knows.

 

[Nimbus Commando]

>First option is to watch them like a cuck
>No double dick option
>short as hell
>Champ is once again a one pump chump while Cait is able to go for a hour without getting tired
>You run out the room like a pansy while catgirls are fucking
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Had to go see the centaur milfs as a palate cleanser.

Why would you even waste time on cait she is trash.

 

[NODOGAN]

Why would you even waste time on cait she is trash.

Alot of her sex scenes are hot and she got some pretty art (plus makes great team companion alongside Brienne in my party) I wouldn't call her trash, she's more like...Junk Food! You know she ain't healthy but it'll feel good and do good in a pinch

 

[YouShallNotLol]

(But I haven´t heard from Tobs in a while So idk).

TOBS been really busy grinding that new Elin game. He's active almost 24/7 in that game's discord server.

 

[zwere]

I really would emplore you guys to visit their discord and listen to what they actually say.

Savin and Co can´t wait to be done with Coc2. They rather make cuts to content thant to keep writing for this game.
Conclusion to some charakters? Dropped in favor to finish main story.
Corrupted Khorminos? Also dropped.
Post Corrupted hive stuff? Will probably also get cut because nobody wants to write it.
We are lucky if we get corrupt centaur village.

They only thing they really look forward to is writing for their pet ocs. Something like Evelyn and Kalysea for Wsan, Hana for Savin and Kinu for Tobs. (But I haven´t heard from Tobs in a while So idk).

The only things I am still looking forward to are stuff from community writers like Jstar or B. Aury also exists but he is a Tobs lite who rather shit posts and mines salt than acctually write erotic content.

Their is much stuff they could still write to extend Coc2 life span but they won´t.
Savco wants to be done with the setting because they A. hate TFs, B. hate corruption and C. hate writing for the blob champ.

They want to make a new game. Where all of those things won´t exist.
When will that be? Who knows.

Both statements can be true at the same time, how else would you explain the glacial pace with which the story advances? Not to mention that when it comes to milking Patreon porn game money, the tried and true method isn't adding more side stuff to avoid ending the game, no, it's all about putting in the minimal amount of effort required to keep the piggies on the payroll while you get to live the easy life. There are far more egregious examples than CoC2 out there of this, but CoC2 is still a very lethargic project, considering how little talent really goes into its making. If they really cared about releasing final products, they could've pumped out 2-3 game with the breadth of CoC2 in the time span they've been working on this one, but why do that when you're getting steady paychecks in the mail?

 

[Riotloader04]

I really would emplore you guys to visit their discord and listen to what they actually say.

Savin and Co can´t wait to be done with Coc2. They rather make cuts to content thant to keep writing for this game.
Conclusion to some charakters? Dropped in favor to finish main story.
Corrupted Khorminos? Also dropped.
Post Corrupted hive stuff? Will probably also get cut because nobody wants to write it.
We are lucky if we get corrupt centaur village.

They only thing they really look forward to is writing for their pet ocs. Something like Evelyn and Kalysea for Wsan, Hana for Savin and Kinu for Tobs. (But I haven´t heard from Tobs in a while So idk).

The only things I am still looking forward to are stuff from community writers like Jstar or B. Aury also exists but he is a Tobs lite who rather shit posts and mines salt than acctually write erotic content.

Their is much stuff they could still write to extend Coc2 life span but they won´t.
Savco wants to be done with the setting because they A. hate TFs, B. hate corruption and C. hate writing for the blob champ.

They want to make a new game. Where all of those things won´t exist.
When will that be? Who knows.

I'm serious when I say who tf likes Evelyn? I couldn't remember who she was until I looked her up. Like you barely interact with her and she's not even that interesting lore wise.

 

[MarvintheBee]

I'm serious when I say who tf likes Evelyn? I couldn't remember who she was until I looked her up. Like you barely interact with her and she's not even that interesting lore wise.

From all the Futa dommes in the game, she is one of the most popular.
Savin worhips her. The discord loves her.
You can turn her into a dragon because she is so awesome and dommy and deservs it, despite doing nothing all day but sitting around in Frosthorn and fucking some whores. But ok.
There is even a new questline for her in the code pipeline, if I remember correctly. So yeah very popular if you are into futa dommes.