Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Alterism]

I like the wolves.
A few things, really.

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Steele benefits from traits that help narrow down what should be done with them. They can sub to every kind of dick in existence, but the story still has to respect the fact they're a genetically engineered corporate heir motivated by family legacy, not some directionless nobody who wandered into a tavern one day. They've cultivated the image of a suave starship captain slutting it up across the stars that most people have in their heads -- with some variations here and there.

Meanwhile, CoC2's MC's backstory is more open-ended but doesn't have that strength of continuity. This results in writers having more of an avenue to run roughshod over the character and swing the personality pendulum farther between the extremes of charismatic hero and futa doormat.

The backstory of Steele helps sure. But it mostly helps by giving Steele something to pull from when the various denizens ask about their past.

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TObS is one of those cases that just plain shows how absolutely incompetent Savin is as a project manager.

Tobs is lost in their own writing talent. Ages ago I got a bit of pushback when I said that tobs is terrific and environments or setting a scene. I'm going to stand on that statement again.

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As Tobs skills continue to improve, this problem only gets worse.
Tons of talent. Little discipline.

 

[LubricatedKitty]

Wait wah? What you mean?? You don't like picking the choice to have sex. That leads to sex with the person, their family, the next door neighbors, becoming a dom chocking bitches, then a sub for little spoon when it's time to cuddle? Or getting a choice between left or right door. Either one leading to kicking it open, running upstairs, doing a barrel roll into the next building through a window, fighting a group of people, sparing one because reasons, then going to take a nap? And at the end of both scenarios, getting the option to leave, stay, or go back? There were TWO whole places to make a choice throughout those situations! The start and end! What more agency and freedom could you want???

But no really, this game would benefit if there wasn't so much stuff in-between choices. Would help curb (maybe... probably not much.... idk) the writers self-inserting themselves into our shoes. Making us do things we wouldn't otherwise. I mean when they not using the NPCs for that purpose ofc. But as much as I shit talk, I do agree with you. I do like the scenes/content in general. But... I don't know. Would be nice to get a chance at the steering wheel more often. You know? Wiggle it around a little. Maybe swerve into oncoming traffic a lil bit. Honk the horn a few times. Feel like a big boi driving before they take it away again.

I'll say the game gives players more freedom than 95% of games out there, but only after he/she gets past the linear-ness of the questing, and then like you said, even when you get to the content you we're looking for, sometimes the writers/dev self-inserts into the player's shoes and makes choices very A or B.

Modded Skyrim and other text rpgs like Course of Temptation have spoiled me to be honest. You pretty much get to do anything you want with whoever you want, whenever you want as long as you've put in the time and effort. And if the content isn't there, you can just mod it/mod it some more/find the mod you want to add the stuff you want. If you don't like the content (Cait lmfao or Merielle not being recruitable or romanceable), you can just change it.

Unfortunately, with this game, I'm at the devs wishes, and I'll never get to recruit the girls who I want as followers/level up my relationship with them. Which is why I just flat out gave up on it lol

 

[procrastinator101]

If this game ever gets finished and we get some modding tools, I'd be more than willing to take a hatchet to some of the content and fully rewrite it to be less insuferable (like the Kitsune).

 

[MarvintheBee]

If this game ever gets finished and we get some modding tools, I'd be more than willing to take a hatchet to some of the content and fully rewrite it to be less insuferable (like the Kitsune).

Good luck going through 2 million words of tobs slob.
I wish people would mod this with different content:
Let me kick Kalysea's butt, stick it to the kitsune, add another companion (einin), banish gweyr forever or take the dragon spear for myself ,instead of having to give it to two people I don't like.
Hell let me do anything cool.
But who would write that? Who would take the time and do these huge undertakings?
A man can only dream...

 

[TalRash4]

Good luck going through 2 million words of tobs slob.
I wish people would mod this with different content:
Let me kick Kalysea's butt, stick it to the kitsune, add another companion (einin), banish gweyr forever or take the dragon spear for myself ,instead of having to give it to two people I don't like.
Hell let me do anything cool.
But who would write that? Who would take the time and do these huge undertakings?
A man can only dream...

"Not your power fantasy"©

 

[procrastinator101]

Good luck going through 2 million words of tobs slob.
I wish people would mod this with different content:
Let me kick Kalysea's butt, stick it to the kitsune, add another companion (einin), banish gweyr forever or take the dragon spear for myself ,instead of having to give it to two people I don't like.
Hell let me do anything cool.
But who would write that? Who would take the time and do these huge undertakings?
A man can only dream...

"Power fantasy? In my fantasy porn game?? Absolutely not!"

Really, gotta wonder what the actual hell goes through someone's head to reach the conclusion that, when it comes to your fantasy porn game, players shouldn't be the baddest motherfuckers around. Likely wind.

 

[Peasantry]

"Power fantasy? In my fantasy porn game?? Absolutely not!"

Really, gotta wonder what the actual hell goes through someone's head to reach the conclusion that, when it comes to your fantasy porn game, players shouldn't be the baddest motherfuckers around. Likely wind.

Definitely just wind, blowing in one ear and out the other. I assume the natural variations in wind speed and direction are what imitate something approaching brain activity

 

[MoneyMan181]

Tobs is lost in their own writing talent. Ages ago I got a bit of pushback when I said that tobs is terrific and environments or setting a scene. I'm going to stand on that statement again.

While I can see where you're coming from and I do think he can create vivid imagery, I don't think that alone makes him a good writer. That scene is very nice but the issue is it's an oddity. There is a purpose in the descriptions and prose when in the vast majority of TOBS writing there just kind of isn't. Like what is the purpose of describing the lacquer of the wood on one of the priestess's fans? What is the point of writing an entire page describing a single tile of the fox den? And this isn't even mentioning how the flow of his scenes is fucking horrendous and he has george lucas-tier dialogue. Compound all that with the fact that none of his ideas are even very novel or interesting and I just really don't see it.

Anybody can learn how to describe things given enough effort. Not everybody can nail dialogue, characters, pacing, creativity, and everything else that comes with writing. Hence why I think he's just mid-tier at best.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

If this game ever gets finished and we get some modding tools, I'd be more than willing to take a hatchet to some of the content and fully rewrite it to be less insuferable (like the Kitsune).

Unshitifying the jewel release process is at the top of my wishlist.

While I can see where you're coming from and I do think he can create vivid imagery, I don't think that alone makes him a good writer. That scene is very nice but the issue is it's an oddity. There is a purpose in the descriptions and prose when in the vast majority of TOBS writing there just kind of isn't. Like what is the purpose of describing the lacquer of the wood on one of the priestess's fans? What is the point of writing an entire page describing a single tile of the fox den? And this isn't even mentioning how the flow of his scenes is fucking horrendous and he has george lucas-tier dialogue. Compound all that with the fact that none of his ideas are even very novel or interesting and I just really don't see it.

Anybody can learn how to describe things given enough effort. Not everybody can nail dialogue, characters, pacing, creativity, and everything else that comes with writing. Hence why I think he's just mid-tier at best.

I think the guy has potential still, accidental as it might be, but really needs an editor.

Either they don't put his stuff through one (understandable, imagine dealing with that fucking word flood) or the editor doesn't handle his work too well (probably because of the flood).

 

[MoneyMan181]

I think the guy has potential still, accidental as it might be, but really needs an editor.

Either they don't put his stuff through one (understandable, imagine dealing with that fucking word flood) or the editor doesn't handle his work too well (probably because of the flood).

Oh he has potential for sure. The fact that he can describe things better than anyone else on the team gives him a niche. If he actually worked on his pacing and dialogue he would have the potential to be the best writer for scenes. Maybe even just in general. Though to be honest, I think every writer for this game has potential. Wsan creates the best fluff and interactions with the PC and characters, but it's all very surface level and shallow. Savin is generally good, but feels very... meh. I don't get strong reactions when I read his stuff besides maybe Kassyra. I feel he could be the best writer for romance if he didn't rush the fuck out of things.

Each writer is good at their own thing, I just don't think they care about improving. Nothing's changed since the game started up(in fact it seems like things got worse) which is a shame. Genuinely could have something special if they gave a rat's ass about proper characterization and fleshing out storylines.

 

[Christ P Bacon]

Oh he has potential for sure. The fact that he can describe things better than anyone else on the team gives him a niche. If he actually worked on his pacing and dialogue he would have the potential to be the best writer for scenes. Maybe even just in general. Though to be honest, I think every writer for this game has potential. Wsan creates the best fluff and interactions with the PC and characters, but it's all very surface level and shallow. Savin is generally good, but feels very... meh. I don't get strong reactions when I read his stuff besides maybe Kassyra. I feel he could be the best writer for romance if he didn't rush the fuck out of things.

Each writer is good at their own thing, I just don't think they care about improving. Nothing's changed since the game started up(in fact it seems like things got worse) which is a shame. Genuinely could have something special if they gave a rat's ass about proper characterization and fleshing out the characters.

savin could be better if he's not too focused on describing anus in sex scene with dick (even vaginal). or too focused on dick in futa npc. the writer fetish is often time shows in their writing, especially savin.

 

[dolosolo]

There is a purpose in the descriptions and prose when in the vast majority of TOBS writing there just kind of isn't. Like what is the purpose of describing the lacquer of the wood on one of the priestess's fans? What is the point of writing an entire page describing a single tile of the fox den?

tobs is forever a loser to me because of the incel vibes i get from garret. from trying to find accordance with brint in the frosthound, to the strange way he sneaks privately escorts you up to his room at his parents place to fuck. like dude this isnt sexy at all. there isnt any awareness, its all projection and insecurity. like i couldnt fuck someone like this irl if i wanted to bc im just not dumb enough to pretend someone who thinks like this is "macho" or badass. irl he would cling to me which would at least make me feel desirable but here its just empty punishment for thinking this bitch wants not a punching bag. to me tobs writing is desperate to convince that hes cool and/or you the reader are lame as fuck if you disagree, idk i dont find him gripping enough to look closely, just glaring character flaws and insistent attention to ideas that lmk to skip

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Really hope we get some cool mods to make this game actually good when this trash heap is done.

 

[rip_bacon]

how do i use save editor? i don't have any file that shows my saves

 

[PixelLewd]

If this game ever gets finished and we get some modding tools, I'd be more than willing to take a hatchet to some of the content and fully rewrite it to be less insuferable (like the Kitsune).

Your sacrifice will be remembered and appreciated should the time come to pass

 

[Ilovekatz19]

how do i use save editor? i don't have any file that shows my saves

There's an option to save to file when you save/load your game. The button should be on the right side of your screen.

 

[procrastinator101]

Your sacrifice will be remembered and appreciated should the time come to pass

 

[TalRash4]

Really hope we get some cool mods to make this game actually good when this trash heap is done.

There is one, but it's more like cheat mod.

 

[Ellioto]

Hope we can take kas out for valentine. No new devil mommy for a while

 

[MeowAF]

Hope we can take kas out for valentine. No new devil mommy for a while

don't ask because new npc comes out until game files become big and massive af.