Trapitalism101

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You know, I think the main focal difference between CoC 1 and 2 is that CoC1 felt like an adventure centered around YOU the PC and you were discovering this new world and had relationships/friendships with characters centered around what YOU wanted to do and the NPCs acted as fun storytelling props that reacted to your decisions. Corruption actually mattered and your goal was always to make it to the Demon Queen.

In CoC2 you are just kind of there as a character with no real goal, and you end up going along with the NPC stories. The problem being, that there is so much "muh OC" going on that it feels like the companion stories never really end. I remember and like Jojo, Amily, Ceraph, Isabella, Izuma, Sophia, Valeria, Shouldra, and all the rest of the camp buddies because they were succinct and relatable. Everyone in CoC 2 is written like Kiha or Urta, which gets very old if you don't really like the character, and they are being insisted upon you.
 

Kalkrion

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Guys how is the game tho?
It is really hard to give a recommendation as the people that enjoy this game and those that don't are so diametrically opposed on so many fronts it is hard to get an objective, hell even a centrist, point of view. I would say try it; if you enjoy it, great! Have fun and play it with gusto. If you don't enjoy it, hey that's okay no one is forcing you to keep playing a game you don't enjoy.
 

Tsubuhaza

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In CoC2 you are just kind of there as a character with no real goal, and you end up going along with the NPC stories. The problem being, that there is so much "muh OC" going on that it feels like the companion stories never really end. I remember and like Jojo, Amily, Ceraph, Isabella, Izuma, Sophia, Valeria, Shouldra, and all the rest of the camp buddies because they were succinct and relatable. Everyone in CoC 2 is written like Kiha or Urta, which gets very old if you don't really like the character, and they are being insisted upon you.
Worst part of it is that when you do remember a character from the old one, you'll usually remember them from something positive. Jojo would train and meditate with you, give backup at the village and comment on things, Amily wanted to restore her old village but would pair up with the PC if they were nice, Izma was a smart tigershark that you could tame and dedick, Shouldra was a snarky little shit but endearing enough, Ceraph was a punching bag, Rathazul had his potions and his Professor Farmsworth gag, Kiha took some time to get along with but it made for some interesting enough relations. Not to say they're perfect (except Amily and Jojo, they're cool) but you'd still leave with a positive opinion.

CoC2's cast has a really hard time coming up with characters who are more memorable for positive reasons, the bollocks are just more notable. Sole one who's old enough (and relevant enough) that I think I can't really deduct any points would probably be Garth, even if they did try with the retro shit from when you meet his wife. Maybe Brienne but her family kink thing is a bit rough. The travel brochure from Hawkethorne should come with the slogan "This place stinks and the folks ain't much better".
 
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Almost finished the Game Editor mod. Brings everything from the save editor into the game. Will be done tonight.

Thanks to the guy who originally made the save editor. Making this tool would've been much harder without his tool.

This tool is far more powerful than the save editor tool because it has access to everything within the game code, meaning it has the potential to modify anything about the game. And it can access and edit modified/additional code created by mods and make use of it.

Example: It can add/remove anyone as a follower. As time goes on, I'll give it the ability to send NPC to numerous locations, hopefully create and edit locations (may/may not happen), create dialogue for the npc using my dialogue creator I made for my own game (may/may not happen):

You can take a look at it, but it's not finished and I haven't released it yet.

After this I'll be working on my own game while making mods when I have time.

Link: (Not released yet)

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Bloep

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You know, I think the main focal difference between CoC 1 and 2 is that CoC1 felt like an adventure centered around YOU the PC and you were discovering this new world and had relationships/friendships with characters centered around what YOU wanted to do and the NPCs acted as fun storytelling props that reacted to your decisions. Corruption actually mattered and your goal was always to make it to the Demon Queen.

In CoC2 you are just kind of there as a character with no real goal, and you end up going along with the NPC stories. The problem being, that there is so much "muh OC" going on that it feels like the companion stories never really end. I remember and like Jojo, Amily, Ceraph, Isabella, Izuma, Sophia, Valeria, Shouldra, and all the rest of the camp buddies because they were succinct and relatable. Everyone in CoC 2 is written like Kiha or Urta, which gets very old if you don't really like the character, and they are being insisted upon you.
From what content i've consumed, what i also feel like a lot of the npcs in CoC2 lack, is romantic chemistry with the pc. Only Brienne and Kasyrra really feel like they have actual romantic feelings for the pc. Which is quite ironic since Kasyrra has been described as incapable of feeling real love.
 

GokutheG

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From what content i've consumed, what i also feel like a lot of the npcs in CoC2 lack, is romantic chemistry with the pc. Only Brienne and Kasyrra really feel like they have actual romantic feelings for the pc. Which is quite ironic since Kasyrra has been described as incapable of feeling real love.
Ryn, the centaur and horse princess that the mc can marry also feel like they have romantic chemistry. Kas does feel like she's the main romance despite being the supposed big bad.
 

Trapitalism101

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Ryn, the centaur and horse princess that the mc can marry also feel like they have romantic chemistry. Kas does feel like she's the main romance despite being the supposed big bad.
I think part of the problem with any sort of "romance" in CoC 2 is that they all feel detached because your character has no real hub/home. Outside of the companions (of which you are still only allowed 2) you don't really have much contact with the other characters unless you go out of your way to cross the RNG landscape to interact with them in their isolated locations. The camp in CoC 1 had a homey feel and gave you a way to interact with characters on a frequent basis.
 

ChubbyFatBoy

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Ryn, the centaur and horse princess that the mc can marry also feel like they have romantic chemistry. Kas does feel like she's the main romance despite being the supposed big bad.
Speaking of centaurs, that for some reason reminded me. Not to put any bad juju in the air. But I was surprised nobody tried to cuck us with Ahmri. I remember when you marry her and ask the father for permission. He says something along the lines of.... uh. Like they have an open society or something. She won't get jealous of us if we have others. And to give her the same grace if she found someone else, however unlikely.

And it just felt... odd. Like a forewarning of some fuck shit. I'm guessing they forgot about her? Or she wasn't popular enough for them to target? Or her creator said negative? Because they gave themselves an in, but strangely didn't take it.
 

Jbuster

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Thinking about it, how does Brienne not have a dick yet? You'd think that'd be the first thing they'd write for her.
They should do that for a corrupted route, given that Brianne's whole dead is loving the champion and pumping babies over and over again (we don't go out anymore cause she's always preggo), then her corrupted version would try to outbreed the champion with her own demonschlong in a twisted/maniac expression of corrupted love
 

Skandranon

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Speaking of centaurs, that for some reason reminded me. Not to put any bad juju in the air. But I was surprised nobody tried to cuck us with Ahmri. I remember when you marry her and ask the father for permission. He says something along the lines of.... uh. Like they have an open society or something. She won't get jealous of us if we have others. And to give her the same grace if she found someone else, however unlikely.

And it just felt... odd. Like a forewarning of some fuck shit. I'm guessing they forgot about her? Or she wasn't popular enough for them to target? Or her creator said negative? Because they gave themselves an in, but strangely didn't take it.
Her creator wrote that.

And honestly that's not unique. EVERY marriage is an open marriage. Sanders mentions that's its in the culture. Kiyoko says the same thing, Brienne and the cow wives mention it.

It's just lip service.
 
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ChubbyFatBoy

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You know, I think the main focal difference between CoC 1 and 2 is that CoC1 felt like an adventure centered around YOU the PC and you were discovering this new world and had relationships/friendships with characters centered around what YOU wanted to do and the NPCs acted as fun storytelling props that reacted to your decisions. Corruption actually mattered and your goal was always to make it to the Demon Queen.

In CoC2 you are just kind of there as a character with no real goal, and you end up going along with the NPC stories. The problem being, that there is so much "muh OC" going on that it feels like the companion stories never really end. I remember and like Jojo, Amily, Ceraph, Isabella, Izuma, Sophia, Valeria, Shouldra, and all the rest of the camp buddies because they were succinct and relatable. Everyone in CoC 2 is written like Kiha or Urta, which gets very old if you don't really like the character, and they are being insisted upon you.
I agree and I've said it a few times. In CoC2, you feel interchangeable. Like if you weren't there to go on this adventure. Someone else would eventually do it. Which if I'm being honest. Isn't necessarily a terrible thing. Just depends on ones outlook and expectations. In this game you are average joe. Who happened to be at the right place at the right time. It's not that only you could do it. You just happened to get there 1st.

In CoC1, as I adventured around and did things. I didn't feel like the perfect savior. But while playing, never did I feel replaceable. Yea they would send someone else if you failed. But that new person probably ain't making it long. If you don't do it, it will never get done. This is your job, this is your story, struggle and get it done.

In CoC2? Blindfold yourself, spin around until dizzy, and point to a random OC. Then ask yourself. Could they possibly do it if you didn't? Would it take any effort for a writer. To replace you with them? And the answer is kinda obvious. It's like you sometimes compete for who is actually at center stage. Shadow boxing the writers through NPCs.

And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Average joe rising up the ranks is standard fare. It's just this game can sometimes get iffy with it. In CoC1, if the player dies. Game pretty much is done. CoC2, if the player dies. You would absolutely get replaced with a self insert. Who is probably going to do a much better job then you ever could.
 

Jbuster

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Might actually be the worst bad ending in the game tbh. The champion gets replaced and it is forced to join a TObs OC harem.
Taothians vindicated (They were trying to save plant based Kinu from a shitty OC and more art commissioned by Tobs)

Now they just need to send one of them to protect the champion from that awful ending by getting banned from Skynet the fenoxo forums

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