VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.11] [Cosy Creator]

[Havik79]

I'll repeat what I've said before: I love an AVN that's so well written that it generates these kinds of discussions.

On the subject itself: I think there are those who long to return to a time that never existed, when women "knew their place" and were genuinely happy there. One the one hand, AVNs can be a lovely way to enjoy that fantasy; on the other, injecting a certain level of realism (such as making the love interests act like real human beings) can increase the immersion.

Meanwhile, please pass the popcorn.

No its nothing to do with that, although yeah it is true things were a fuck ton better 20 years ago than now.

Even if you put Sarah and this stupid weeb baka shit as playful banter, she is still being rude and disrespectful from to Vicky right from the start, it makes us look weak to allow someone who isn't even a friend be rude to our girlfriend, and given Lucy is also our girlfriend she should also not let her friend be rude to Vicky who is also supposed to be Lucys friend.

 

[AcuteAppleAngle]

I enjoy the harmony of sitting together and eating and them all being his girls. For me their friendship doesn't add to that, but makes it less cosy. Don't enjoy girl friendship dynamics at all. Quite repelling tbh lol. But to be fair I havent seen this specific scene yet, so I may well like it here. But if they would all just be interested in talking to MC I'd surely not find it less cosy.

Maybe you can give an example of what you mean, as I don't really understand it. If they just get along very well and are tied together by the MC, how would that be less cosy than them being friends with each other?

Imagine a harem where each women is only interested (not in the sexual sense, but the caring one) in the man. In this harem, the women would simply see each other as competition for the MC's attention.

This is a scenario which breeds rivalry and resentment, which would not be very 'cosy'.

Imagine another harem where there is an underlying relationship between the women, where they want each other to be happy and support each other. In this harem, the women want each other to have a happy relationship with the man. This heavily blunts any amount of competition between the women, even if it is still possible.

This is a scenario which which would be much more 'cosy'.

I hope that at least explains my thought process.

consent, debasement, challenged authority - all very much disliked. Same with corruption.

A girl emotionally dependent on him. Submission with dignity intact. And a gentle nature that likes to please. Much preferred.

Emotionally dependent, submissive but with their dignity intact, and eager to please, is not a state many women push themselves towards.

Most of the girls are arguably currently like that but only Lilly started that way. The rest had to be, to varying extents, pushed or manipulated into that state.

What I described with Sarah was just the process to get her to that end goal you described.

 

[Randomguy3478]

No its nothing to do with that, although yeah it is true things were a fuck ton better 20 years ago than now.

Even if you put Sarah and this stupid weeb baka shit as playful banter, she is still being rude and disrespectful from to Vicky right from the start, it makes us look weak to allow someone who isn't even a friend be rude to our girlfriend, and given Lucy is also our girlfriend she should also not let her friend be rude to Vicky who is also supposed to be Lucys friend.

MC goes for days out of his way to escort sarah to and from home. gets up earlier to go to her house. when he gets there, she just commands him in a dismissive tone: "lets go, idiot." and starts to walk.

people might not remember these instances. but if they do and are fine with that... holy.

 

[Havik79]

MC goes for days out of his way to escort sarah to and from home. gets up earlier to go to her house. when he gets there, she just commands him in a dismissive tone: "lets go, idiot." and starts to walk.

people might not remember these instances. but if they do and are fine with that... holy.

Yeah fair point, we going out of our way to protect her, what happened to gratitude?

 

[Lerd0]

but if they do and are fine with that... holy.

..i do be fine with it.....

 

[AcuteAppleAngle]

I feel like including bdsm community influence into their relationship cheapens it somehow. It makes the bdsm feel less like a naturally developing dynamic between the MC and the LI, and instead like they're just playing a bit designed by someone else.

If every dev was half as intelligent as you, the average quality of writing on this site would be twice as good as it currently is.

Please do not let any of the knuckle-draggers that occassionally spew their sub-sentient musings change your mind on this.

Devs sometimes let themselves be persuaded into it through some notion of societal good and it annoys me like nothing else.

Anyway, great game. One of the best of the site easily, top 3 in my opinion.

 

[AcuteAppleAngle]

Yeah fair point, we going out of our way to protect her, what happened to gratitude?

She is a pretty unpleasant person at first, and if this was real life then most people probably would ignore her because of it.

This isn't real life though, it's a harem game. So we instead power through it so we can make her into a fiesty but ultimately submissive harem member.

There is a certain amount of suspension of disbelief necessary. Where the MC choses to associate with someone that isn't very likeable, because we are going to make them likeable, whilst also bending them over various surfaces.

The author actually does a pretty good job making associating with her a reasonable choice for the MC even if she is annoying.

 

[Randomguy3478]

Imagine a harem where each women is only interested (not in the sexual sense, but the caring one) in the man. In this harem, the women would simply see each other as competition for the MC's attention.

This is a scenario which breeds rivalry and resentment, which would not be very 'cosy'.

Imagine another harem where there is an underlying relationship between the women, where they want each other to be happy and support each other. In this harem, the women want each other to have a happy relationship with the man. This heavily blunts any amount of competition between the women, even if it is still possible.

This is a scenario which which would be much more 'cosy'.

I hope that at least explains my thought process.


Emotionally dependent, submissive but with their dignity intact, and eager to please, is not a state many women push themselves towards.

Most of the girls are arguably currently like that but only Lilly started that way. The rest had to be, to varying extents, pushed or manipulated into that state.

What I described with Sarah was just the process to get her to that end goal you described.

I think the amount of competition depends mostly on how much the girls long for the MC - but gets muted genuinely by either caring for each other, like you said, or by trying to get along and keep it harmonious for the sake and pleasure of MC.

I think your variant produces more genuine results, and in Cosy Cafe its done pleasantly enough, but it also weakens MCs power potentially. I'd most prefer if they feel empathy for each other, but it doesn't turn into proper friendships. I'd heavily dislike it if at some point MC sits on the table listening to the girls chatting with each other - half as a bystander.


Yeah many view it as a sign of lacking inner strength when a girl wants to be like 1600. Of course every single movie etc. conditions everyone towards that view.

In regards to sarah it seems many see it as a good trade to accept a bit of disrespect to be able to spank her butt in return. But I think thats a bad trade. But I'm also not too much into spanking - especially not if they actually like it lol. Thats no punishment!

Thx for the pleasant conversation. =)

 

[Havik79]

That is the problem though isn't it, people bring what they know from the real world into the game.

Like, we just had a big deal over being out 400 bucks, but now we buying was it 8 brand new swimsuits and more collers, where is the logic.

 

[rebel836]

I feel like we're getting to the point where some people might be forgetting that this is, in the end, still a game. You're expected to have some suspension of disbelief. At the end of the day, we're all going to to have differing beliefs, and even if I don't agree with yours or you don't agree with mine, all of our opinions are mostly irrelevant. This is Cosy's game and if you like it, then enjoy it. If you don't that's fine. Those are facts that are unaffected by anyone's beliefs and the only facts that matter. Whether you think society has devolved into "woke" nonsense or you're enjoying watching incels fight it out, or just want to express your thoughts on the actual game, doesn't change that Cosy gonna do what Cosy gonna do, and I for one think Cosy gonna do well.

 

[AcuteAppleAngle]

I think your variant produces more genuine results, and in Cosy Cafe its done pleasantly enough, but it also weakens MCs power potentially.

I agree 100%, you are definetly trading some amount of power in the pursuit of this style of 'cosiness'. I think it entirely comes down to whether you think it's worth the trade, I do and it seems you don't, both of which are perfectly reasonable preferences to have.

In regards to sarah it seems many see it as a good trade to accept a bit of disrespect to be able to spank her butt in return. But I think thats a bad trade.

It all depends on the value you place on her eventual submission, and how much tolerance you have/think the MC should have for disrespect in the meantime.

But I'm also not too much into spanking - especially not if they actually like it lol. Thats no punishment!

If they like it then it is even more humiliating, which is the real punishment in my view, not the physical pain of the blows.
Maybe I just have a thing for seeing them humiliated though lol.

Thx for the pleasant conversation. =)

Likewise mate, it's always nice to have a geniune and pleasant interaction.

 

[Randomguy3478]

Here are two direct quoted form your post above.

This seems to say that discussion is fine -

The things I commented on are minor things which I prefered different, thats no problem. Its just exchanging views more than anything else.

While you close with this, which more than hints that those who disagree with you - 'we're just exchanging views about minor things... that's no problem' - are giving you passive aggressive replies -

But I'm used to facing passive aggressive replies for not going along with current world agenda in regards to getting girls fit for economic harvesting. Making them more and more like men. Its fine. Hope you have a nice day regardless.

If 'exchanging views about minor things' and agreeing to disagree with you/explaining why = passive aggressive replies, then there is no meaningful discussion.

There is only your monologue and the dismissal of the POV of others as passive aggressive if they are not in line with said monologue.

Finally, I don't think the Cosy Cafe thread is the right forum to lament the changes in gender roles that have occurred since women got the right to vote - but that's me...

Cheers!!

Was only referring to this:

Perhaps another AVN will give you the male centric, women are quiet wall flowers who should be seen and not heard, world view you seem to be espousing - not my thing - but... you do you.

This is how she does this - her words spring from her insecurity, not any disrespect - and the MC understands this and makes allowance for it - he is Not an insecure male.

Otherwise your post was a pleasant. I'm happy to harshly discuss views. Mostly referred to F95 in general - and all the different variations of "yOu aRe INseCure" because I like patriarchy.

No big deal. I just mention stuff immediately and hope for respectful conversations.

Kind greetings =)

 

[Konrad Simon]

As someone said upstream, we all bring our own past and feelings into a game. The same events can be interpreted in drastically different ways based on our own experience and how we process things. Sarah is a perfect case in point. When she keeps calling him an idiot instead of thanking him, I filled in the blanks according to my own feelings. The way I filled in those blanks was, "She's frightened and insecure, and I am sufficiently self-confident to let her come around in her own time and her own way, and I will hide how amused I am at her antics." The text, as it were, supports my interpretation--just as it supports other interpretations, including some that are diametrically opposed to mine.

 

[Havik79]

That is exactly why we need these conversations, I never thought of it that way.

I took it just how things have been for me in real life, she a cunt because she a cunt.

I am Aussie, so yeah cunt is used a lot.

 

[shitass1001]

MC goes for days out of his way to escort sarah to and from home. gets up earlier to go to her house. when he gets there, she just commands him in a dismissive tone: "lets go, idiot." and starts to walk.

people might not remember these instances. but if they do and are fine with that... holy.

Some people enjoy helping others. The MC is one of those people, he says himself that he has a bit of a hero complex.

Yeah fair point, we going out of our way to protect her, what happened to gratitude?

She does show her gratitude, in her own way, keep in mind this is someone who isn't used to affection basically at all, her parents are never there for her, her sisters bully her, Brians group bullies her. She is insecure about her looks, and nervous about being in a situation she has never been in before.
For Sarah she is showing gratitude, for you it might be a blowjob, but for her it's putting up with the spanking, making the outfits for the other girls, doing the marketing event, showing the MC her breasts (huge deal for her, mind you, probably one of the things she is most insecure about), working as a waitress, etc.

 

[Havik79]

So no one in her what 18 to 20 years of life taught her manners.

 

[Lerd0]

So no one in her what 18 to 20 years of life taught her manners.

..i mean.....am older than that.....and am much worse......

 

[Havik79]

Well I am Gen X and if we didn't say please and thank you we got our ass spanked.

 

[Randomguy3478]

As someone said upstream, we all bring our own past and feelings into a game. The same events can be interpreted in drastically different ways based on our own experience and how we process things. Sarah is a perfect case in point. When she keeps calling him an idiot instead of thanking him, I filled in the blanks according to my own feelings. The way I filled in those blanks was, "She's frightened and insecure, and I am sufficiently self-confident to let her come around in her own time and her own way, and I will hide how amused I am at her antics." The text, as it were, supports my interpretation--just as it supports other interpretations, including some that are diametrically opposed to mine.

I don't think thats whats going on. The game makes it abundantly clear what the reasons are for her behaviour. I filled in the blanks in the same way like you did.

I think the difference is solely the tolerance for disrespect. Some people feel her own problems justify her behaviour, and others won't tolerate a women behaving disrespectful just because she has her own problems.

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If the roles were turned around: Guess its fine now if the lonely guy starts to grope the girl on the street because he has such a hard time getting one for anatomical exercises. After all its his way of showing her how much he adores her.

 

[Randomguy3478]

Some people enjoy helping others. The MC is one of those people, he says himself that he has a bit of a hero complex.

Helping doesn't have to include getting disrespected, though. I enjoy helping as well. Not getting gratitude is one thing and maybe fine to a degree, but the other is getting publicly belittled after doing good for the person.

Even if she showed lots of gratitude it still doesn't make it ok to be disrespectful. Neither do personal problems justify it.

At least for me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯