VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.11] [Cosy Creator]

[TBone9]

with the update coming soon, what are peoples hopes and predictions for stuff to show up?
Please someone start an argument or something so the thread isn't so dry , its the only reason I open f95 on a regular basis

 

[jvbatman]

Is the next update including the rerendered start of the game or is that coming later?

 

[Cosy Creator]

Is the next update including the rerendered start of the game or is that coming later?

Nope, I haven't even made a start on that yet, and with doing it in my free time outside of regular development it's gonna take a hell of a long time, so don't expect it soon.

 

[shitass1001]

Everyone will continue to ignore the obvious solution to the political dilemma - MC allies with Gilbert, Gilbert finances Bennet, they rule over the others. Understandable, considering the MC hasn't really show any actual ability for politics or for survival, even and we have no idea who the Gilbert heir is and could he work like that.

This is how I see the situation developing in the future. Right now, though, you're right in saying that Allison needs to get over her feelings before anything like this can happen

Lucy's mom causes some form of trouble, probably with the support of Russel.
Victoria's dad shows up.

I have been thinking this for a while, like no way is that the last we will see of Lucy's mom. And I agree that it will probably be with momma Russel backing her. When? I have no idea. My prediction is that it will probably happen after they graduate, MC and Hannah are getting closer and closer, the rift between Allison and her dad is on the mend, Russel gets desperate seeing the house of cards falling, so she somehow finds Lucys mom and backs her story, trying to convince papa Gilbert that MC is secretly evil. This could also be used as a way for her to sabotage MC going to culinary school, although I dont see any reason for her to do that ATM.
If lucy's mom does eventually come back, I hope we get a scene where Lucy, with her newfound confidence, tells her to fuck off.
Vickys dad has been foreshadowed so much in this VN I would honestly be upset if he didn't show up.

Oh, and two of the LIs will touch, this thread will explode.

Hahaha tried and true way to create drama on the zone is to add optional lesbian content

 

[Thy Fallen One]

In this case lesbian doesn't fit. The story so far has all revolved around the MC even the punishing has turned into a way to please mc so them punishing each other does not fit. It would change the whole dynamic of the story and so far has been mainly linear. I think it will probably stay contained to group with MC.
Also the thing that sets this apart from a lot of harem games is when a girl joins the harem that is not the end they are all working to help like lucy learning to bake. It is even a plot point with Vicky thinking she does not do enough. Pure girl\girl lesbian would add nothing to the story.
Also i could be wrong but apart from some teasing in front of MC i dont thing the girls have shown much interest in each other and the only one who wanted to punish the other girls was Vicky and was more of a way to pick on Sara not in a sexual way.

 

[hameleona]

Vickys dad has been foreshadowed so much in this VN I would honestly be upset if he didn't show up.

Vicky's dad is what I like to call "De-blocking character". As a writer, I love introducing a couple of those, so if I write myself in to a corner or just can't plow trough a writer's block moment - I can just trigger them. It's kind of the old “when in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand”*, except you set it up beforehand, instead of retroactively justifying his existence. As an added bonus, you can always trigger them when the story is just racing for the end and weave them in the narrative. How much of a trouble he would be is not stated so it can be anything from a major problem the MC would have to muster his resources to deal with to a relatively side-scene, where the MC just decks him or calls the police and that's it.
Now, I'm not saying that's how he is used here. But the set-up is such, that while I'm sure we will see him at some point, it can be at any time and in any way.

Compared to Lucy's mom, who we met and dealt with in very short order. Now I also don't know how exactly she can cause trouble, but I very much doubt she'll just accept defeat.

Spoiler: If I was Russel...

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Granted, it's guaranteed to backfire, but... hey, it's one way to use her.

But hey, she could also dye her hair red, drug Lucy and Vicky and set fire to the restaurant...

 

[preglovr12]

But hey, she could also dye her hair red, drug Lucy and Vicky and set fire to the restaurant...

plz no

 

[shitass1001]

Vicky's dad is what I like to call "De-blocking character". As a writer, I love introducing a couple of those, so if I write myself in to a corner or just can't plow trough a writer's block moment - I can just trigger them. It's kind of the old “when in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand”*, except you set it up beforehand, instead of retroactively justifying his existence. As an added bonus, you can always trigger them when the story is just racing for the end and weave them in the narrative. How much of a trouble he would be is not stated so it can be anything from a major problem the MC would have to muster his resources to deal with to a relatively side-scene, where the MC just decks him or calls the police and that's it.
Now, I'm not saying that's how he is used here. But the set-up is such, that while I'm sure we will see him at some point, it can be at any time and in any way.

Thats some pretty good advice, did you learn about that or come up with it? I will probably implement it into my life in one way or another. Personally, I feel like Cosy has something planned out, youre right that the setup is ambiguous, but with Vickys older brother gone right now it would be the perfect time for him to rear his probably bald head.

Compared to Lucy's mom, who we met and dealt with in very short order. Now I also don't know how exactly she can cause trouble, but I very much doubt she'll just accept defeat.

Spoiler: If I was Russel...

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Granted, it's guaranteed to backfire, but... hey, it's one way to use her.

That's another theory, and honestly it sounds like create more drama and tumult than my idea.

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But hey, she could also dye her hair red, drug Lucy and Vicky and set fire to the restaurant...

Where have I heard this before...? I hope MC is strong enough to carry them both

In this case lesbian doesn't fit. The story so far has all revolved around the MC even the punishing has turned into a way to please mc so them punishing each other does not fit. It would change the whole dynamic of the story and so far has been mainly linear. I think it will probably stay contained to group with MC.
Also the thing that sets this apart from a lot of harem games is when a girl joins the harem that is not the end they are all working to help like lucy learning to bake. It is even a plot point with Vicky thinking she does not do enough. Pure girl\girl lesbian would add nothing to the story.
Also i could be wrong but apart from some teasing in front of MC i dont thing the girls have shown much interest in each other and the only one who wanted to punish the other girls was Vicky and was more of a way to pick on Sara not in a sexual way.

As I understand it, the "lesbian" content wouldn't really be true lesbian stuff, meaning while yes, they would be engaging in that stuff, they aren't really attracted to each other in that way. As Cosy has stated, the content would only happen when MC is around, and if I had to wager a guess, I would say it would only be by his request (e.g. "Eat my cum out of her" "Vicky sit on Sarah's face while I plow her" as punishment for Sarah, or vice-versa for if Vicky needs punishment that she wouldn't enjoy so much). I assume the enjoyment the girls would get out of these scene would primarily stem from them enjoying pleasing the MC, the physical side of it secondary.

I disagree with your statement that lesbian content wouldn't fit, I think it can and will fit as long as it is implemented properly, it still has to revolve around the MC and his desires. I trust Cosy to make that content good, and even if it isnt, it will still be optional.

 

[Rogue Reaper]

As I understand it, the "lesbian" content wouldn't really be true lesbian stuff, meaning while yes, they would be engaging in that stuff, they aren't really attracted to each other in that way. As Cosy has stated, the content would only happen when MC is around, and if I had to wager a guess, I would say it would only be by his request (e.g. "Eat my cum out of her" "Vicky sit on Sarah's face while I plow her" as punishment for Sarah, or vice-versa for if Vicky needs punishment that she wouldn't enjoy so much). I assume the enjoyment the girls would get out of these scene would primarily stem from them enjoying pleasing the MC, the physical side of it secondary.

I disagree with your statement that lesbian content wouldn't fit, I think it can and will fit as long as it is implemented properly, it still has to revolve around the MC and his desires. I trust Cosy to make that content good, and even if it isnt, it will still be optional.

What I've read mostly has been those saying it wouldn't happen because anything Hannah/Allison would against Patreon TOS.. But most of the female characters wouldn't give an Incest flag.. And doesn't even need to be punishment related, even if that's what my original question was.. Like you said could easier have a girl eating cum out of another girl.. My example would be two join MC in shower, one gets filled while the other ends up eating it out.

 

[hameleona]

Thats some pretty good advice, did you learn about that or come up with it? I will probably implement it into my life in one way or another. Personally, I feel like Cosy has something planned out, youre right that the setup is ambiguous, but with Vickys older brother gone right now it would be the perfect time for him to rear his probably bald head.

So the quote is from Raymond Chandler and is almost 100 years old. He was criticizing the demand of audiences for constant action in detective novels, but pass 100 years and it has lost the original meaning (seems like audiences haven't changed much, tho). IIRC (been a while since I've read it) he was commenting on how - yes this approach creates action and will move the plot forward, but can easily lead to stuff not making sense and the whole story unraveling. It's essentially - throw drama to move stuff forward.
Personally I treat it as a tool - done in a smart way it can enhance a story, brute-force writers block, ensure plot twists, etc. Done badly or used too often - it destroys internal consistency, throws the plot in complete disarray, etc.

Now, in the West there might be an actual term for the "De-blocking character", but in my country there are no writing courses, so it's something I did come up with myself. It's essentially an extension of the above quote - when writing a novel and just throwing some drama to move stuff forward, you can easily go back and retroactively foreshadow said drama in one way or another (generally to pull off the "man with a gun" trope you need to justify it internally anyway, it's one of the reasons why it brute-forces trough writers block). So instead of having to go back and re-write stuff, I prefer to throw such foreshadowing from the start and use it when needed. It's an useful tool, if you aren't the sort of writer to meticulously plan everything ahead of time. Again - not something you can use again and again, but a nice ace in the sleeve.

Where have I heard this before...? I hope MC is strong enough to carry them both

It's a cosy story set in a restaurant - the fire-suppression system would just trigger, imo.

 

[jvbatman]

Thats some pretty good advice, did you learn about that or come up with it? I will probably implement it into my life in one way or another. Personally, I feel like Cosy has something planned out, youre right that the setup is ambiguous, but with Vickys older brother gone right now it would be the perfect time for him to rear his probably bald head.

It's useful in real life too. Say you're at a party and you're not really digging the vibe just start mentioning how there's this guy that vowed revenge on you for whatever reason and then just shoot your friend a text to show up with a gun and you'll have an easy window to make your exit.

 

[shitass1001]

It's useful in real life too. Say you're at a party and you're not really digging the vibe just start mentioning how there's this guy that vowed revenge on you for whatever reason and then just shoot your friend a text to show up with a gun and you'll have an easy window to make your exit.

I was thinking I could start mentioning some made-up person at work all the time, create a whole character. My friend Jimmy's wife is pregnant right now, my friend Jimmy etc etc etc. Then I could use Jimmy to get out of work

 

[MWPA78]

But hey, she could also dye her hair red, drug Lucy and Vicky and set fire to the restaurant...

 

[Konrad Simon]

It's useful in real life too. Say you're at a party and you're not really digging the vibe just start mentioning how there's this guy that vowed revenge on you for whatever reason and then just shoot your friend a text to show up with a gun and you'll have an easy window to make your exit.

I always just say, ,"Oh, no! Did I leave Fluffy in the microwave?"

 

[mordred93]

Vicky's dad is what I like to call "De-blocking character". As a writer, I love introducing a couple of those, so if I write myself in to a corner or just can't plow trough a writer's block moment - I can just trigger them. It's kind of the old “when in doubt, have a man come through a door with a gun in his hand”*, except you set it up beforehand, instead of retroactively justifying his existence. As an added bonus, you can always trigger them when the story is just racing for the end and weave them in the narrative. How much of a trouble he would be is not stated so it can be anything from a major problem the MC would have to muster his resources to deal with to a relatively side-scene, where the MC just decks him or calls the police and that's it.

It is a combination of these 3 honestly. Mostly foreshadowing I think, as most of the people will probably have some part of the future story, but could be used as a MacGuffin if (Vicky's dad) never shows up.

Foreshadowing – a plot device where what is to come is hinted at, to arouse interest or to guard against disappointment
MacGuffin – a plot motivator that is necessary to the plot and the motivation of the characters, but insignificant, unimportant, or irrelevant in itself
Chekhov's Gun - is a narrative principle emphasizing that every element in a story be necessary, while irrelevant elements should be removed