VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.12.1] [Cosy Creator]

[Rob_31415926]

Major CC spoiler: None of the LIs die. And the MC has lots of sex.

Story RUINED.

 

[swmeek]

Tricksy is Cosy precious, very very tricksy!

 

[TigerWolfe]

Me too, is stronger than me... Hahaha
I don't like spoilers, but most of the time isn't anything that would really matter, so i take my chances.

I'm the kind of person who looks up what's gonna happen while watching a show/movie. I'm weird.

 

[jamesjayd]

Nah Victoria would be, for sure. She's the one who made the MC promise to wrek her at his first opportunity. Lucy almost vetoed her. She has said multiple times that Rachel doesn't deserve to even have punishment sex with the MC.

Well that's what I mean. She might accept Rachel in maybe begrudgingly, but still willingly, but then she would be under Lucy's foot the entire time or something like that. I think Victoria would be more of teasing role as she does with Sarah.

 

[dogbert730]

Speaking of spoilers, does anyone have any theories as to what Gloria did to cause the MC's grandfather's downfall?

 

[netcov]

Speaking of spoilers, does anyone have any theories as to what Gloria did to cause the MC's grandfather's downfall?

To be fair there could be a platitude of things that have happened. There have been hints about marrying only if you trust them completely, instead of basing it on founding family politics.

Spoiler: What could be the factors (going from most probable to least)

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[Rob_31415926]

Speaking of spoilers, does anyone have any theories as to what Gloria did to cause the MC's grandfather's downfall?

I think WHAT she did is fairly clear....Multiple divorces, and court settlements (courts controlled by FFs of course) used to drive him into (near?) bankruptcy.

HOW she did that is less clear....Catherine was pretty adamant that FF marriages do not end in divorce, so it must have been something pretty serious....Presumably some kind of scandal that drove his wives away (or at least made them open to the idea)?

Or perhaps Grandfather was mistreating/abusing his wives (like the MC's spanking, but...a lot more, and a lot less consensual) and Gloria gave them the chance to get out (GF being the bad guy and Gloria the good guy would be quite the unlikely plot twist, but...)

Sex scandal seems unlikely.

Given the Catherine/poverty angle, perhaps Gloria convinced the ex-wives that he'd fucked up financially and they'd all be going to the poor house, so best to get out soon and take what they could (before they ended up working as waitresses in his cafe... ).


One other point this all raises though is...Did MC's father have any siblings? Given Grandfather's multitude of wives, it seems unlike he's an only child.

Or maybe that's it....Grandfather was sterile, and the MC's dad was the result of an affair (or perhaps even a deliberate arrangement)....That would presumably be somewhat scandalous, without being something that would be commonly known. (Gloria might currently be trying to find out what proof might still exist/be usable now to have MC kicked out).

 

[mordred93]

I am wondering if it was an affair. He had wives from each family, so maybe the grandfather slept with Gloria, and she was kinda saying she would be a new wife, and needled in that way, and ended up causing everyone to "divorce" quickly after she laid claim to the grandpa, and then Gloria left.

 

[netcov]

I am wondering if it was an affair. He had wives from each family, so maybe the grandfather slept with Gloria, and she was kinda saying she would be a new wife, and needled in that way, and ended up causing everyone to "divorce" quickly after she laid claim to the grandpa, and then Gloria left.

To be fair: I think with Gloria we might consider she may have been too young for that to happen.
I could imagine she got rid of her brother and mc's grandpa in one fell swoop. And thus gaining Family Head position + getting rid of dominant faction at the same time.

 

[Rob_31415926]

To be fair: I think with Gloria we might consider she may have been too young for that to happen.
I could imagine she got rid of her brother and mc's grandpa in one fell swoop. And thus gaining Family Head position + getting rid of dominant faction at the same time.

It's a valid point.

She would have been a very marriageable prospect at the time (1st daughter presumably), and so her marrying a FF head like grandfather would be more than possible.

Taking out grandfather might even have been collateral damage in her efforts to destroy her brother, and thus gain the ultimate prize of becoming a FF head herself...Something she couldn't have done as the wife of a real/established FF head (Gilbert indicted he was highly respected after all).

You'd also imagine that given that Gloria is 'only' 48 now, she was probably one of his later wives and thus she, and any kids she had, would be relatively low on the status totem pole.

I'd also reiterate what I said earlier about how we only know about one of grandpa Fletcher's kids (MC's father). Surely he had more, or if he didn't that could be a big deal in itself....Either way, it's a potential plot point. (I also have a suspicion that this could be where Annabelle fits in to the story...).

 

[Ultimecea]

It's a valid point.

She would have been a very marriageable prospect at the time (1st daughter presumably), and so her marrying a FF head like grandfather would be more than possible.

Taking out grandfather might even have been collateral damage in her efforts to destroy her brother, and thus gain the ultimate prize of becoming a FF head herself...Something she couldn't have done as the wife of a real/established FF head (Gilbert indicted he was highly respected after all).

You'd also imagine that given that Gloria is 'only' 48 now, she was probably one of his later wives and thus she, and any kids she had, would be relatively low on the status totem pole.

I'd also reiterate what I said earlier about how we only know about one of grandpa Fletcher's kids (MC's father). Surely he had more, or if he didn't that could be a big deal in itself....Either way, it's a potential plot point. (I also have a suspicion that this could be where Annabelle fits in to the story...).

i dont think first daughter would be the best marriageable prospect especially she's from the main branch of the family
unless you want a secure and unbreakable family bonds between two founding families
it's only possible when Gloria is probably the only remaining unwed girl of her generation in her family and the russells havent have any family ties to MC's grandfather at that time.
so in the end, she wasnt married to MC's grandfather at all

plus her current husband, probably MC grandfather's advisors or someone close to him
and Gloria plotted Fletcher's downfall with her husband
i just found it weird for MC to noticed so much about Gloria's husband when he's just the so called stand-in
it's also likely that Gloria plotted with her father after her brother ( probably killed by Fletcher family under the influence of the betrayer)
before selling her ideas to the rest of MC's grandfather's wives

 

[Rob_31415926]

i dont think first daughter would be the best marriageable prospect especially she's from the main branch of the family
unless you want a secure and unbreakable family bonds between two founding families
it's only possible when Gloria is probably the only remaining unwed girl of her generation in her family and the russells havent have any family ties to MC's grandfather at that time.
so in the end, she wasnt married to MC's grandfather at all

plus her current husband, probably MC grandfather's advisors or someone close to him
and Gloria plotted Fletcher's downfall with her husband
i just found it weird for MC to noticed so much about Gloria's husband when he's just the so called stand-in
it's also likely that Gloria plotted with her father after her brother ( probably killed by Fletcher family under the influence of the betrayer)
before selling her ideas to the rest of MC's grandfather's wives

I admit, the degree of incest in the relationships between the FFs is a 'curious' issue. 5 families, intermarrying for centuries...They would have a very small gene pool there. (MC marrying/breeding with Lucy/Vicky/Akasuki would probably be one of the best things that's happened to them, genetically, in a long time).

Mind you, first daughters clearly have a significant value for such matters...The whole Alison/Hannah marrying the scuzzball issue makes that clear, as does the value Catherine places on herself.

That said, I just went for a walk, and among other things, I pondered this issue, particularly the timeline, and why GFF (Grand Father Fletcher) left town, and I think the timeline might give us some hints.

When did GFF leave, and how old was he?

OK. We know Gloria was involved, and she's 48...If we accept she's unlikely to have pulled off such a move while too young, I think it'd be fair to say it wasn't more than 30 years ago, probably a few years after that.

Mr Gilbert is 54, and considered GFF a mentor when he took over his house when he was around MC's age, so GFF was a well established FF head ~35 years ago, and was probably at least 30yo at the time, probably a fair bit older.

MC is 18...Therefore his father was an adult at least 18 years ago (probably more...Brian/Hannah aren't meant to marry until they're 21 for example, so there clearly isn't a huge rush to marry/breed them young in the FFs).

So the thought occurred to me that rather than marrying GFF, Gloria was either married to, or engaged to one of GFF's sons. (probably the oldest, but not necessarily).

So why did a good, honourable, man like GFF get divorced by all his wives and leave?

Spoiler: My current working theory

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[S1nsational]

I wouldn't be surprised if part of what was used to drive a wedge between MCs grandfather and his harem was a lie about him being sterile.

Staying married to him would be, from a cynical standpoint, like staying on a sicking ship. A Family with no heirs or younger generations would be doomed to go extinct. So that would drive away the Family wives, and not being told that children were off the cards could easily drive away the commoner wives who did love him but actually wanted children and who felt betrayed by finding out something they felt was being kept a secret from them. I wouldn't think it beyond Family power to have medical files doctored and then to leak those fakes to the wives in one way or another.

 

[Rob_31415926]

I wouldn't be surprised if part of what was used to drive a wedge between MCs grandfather and his harem was a lie about him being sterile.

Staying married to him would be, from a cynical standpoint, like staying on a sicking ship. A Family with no heirs or younger generations would be doomed to go extinct. So that would drive away the Family wives, and not being told that children were off the cards could easily drive away the commoner wives who did love him but actually wanted children and who felt betrayed by finding out something they felt was being kept a secret from them. I wouldn't think it beyond Family power to have medical files doctored and then to leak those fakes to the wives in one way or another.

Faking test results is one thing, but if he wasn't actually sterile, then having lots of unprotected sex with a number of different women (his wives) is likely to prove that those fake tests wrong.

It would also need to have started from before Gloria would have been able to influence any of that.

 

[jvbatman]

Gloria probably used the grandfather's caring and protective nature (which MC inherits) to put someone he cares about in a threatening position and gave him an ultimatum like step down peacefully or I'm going to fuck this person's life up. Could be because of money or maybe that person got involved in some shit they shouldn't have been. I doubt she did anything to threaten the grandfather directly.

 

[Ultimecea]

I admit, the degree of incest in the relationships between the FFs is a 'curious' issue. 5 families, intermarrying for centuries...They would have a very small gene pool there. (MC marrying/breeding with Lucy/Vicky/Akasuki would probably be one of the best things that's happened to them, genetically, in a long time).

Mind you, first daughters clearly have a significant value for such matters...The whole Alison/Hannah marrying the scuzzball issue makes that clear, as does the value Catherine places on herself.

lemme just stressed on what i pointed out again

i dont think first daughter would be the best marriageable prospect especially she's from the main branch of the family
unless you want a secure and unbreakable family bonds between two founding families

literally Alisson and Hannah situation

That said, I just went for a walk, and among other things, I pondered this issue, particularly the timeline, and why GFF (Grand Father Fletcher) left town, and I think the timeline might give us some hints.

When did GFF leave, and how old was he?

OK. We know Gloria was involved, and she's 48...If we accept she's unlikely to have pulled off such a move while too young, I think it'd be fair to say it wasn't more than 30 years ago, probably a few years after that.

Mr Gilbert is 54, and considered GFF a mentor when he took over his house when he was around MC's age, so GFF was a well established FF head ~35 years ago, and was probably at least 30yo at the time, probably a fair bit older.

MC is 18...Therefore his father was an adult at least 18 years ago (probably more...Brian/Hannah aren't meant to marry until they're 21 for example, so there clearly isn't a huge rush to marry/breed them young in the FFs).

So the thought occurred to me that rather than marrying GFF, Gloria was either married to, or engaged to one of GFF's sons. (probably the oldest, but not necessarily).

So why did a good, honourable, man like GFF get divorced by all his wives and leave?

Spoiler: My current working theory

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1) MC being 18 is kinda sad tbh
2) there werent any traces of any hidden uncles for MC or else the fletcher wont be "missing" for so many years until MC are back in town
i doubt that neither Hamilton and Russells would resist the chance to rule the founding family
3) i doubt its the rape chant, too cliche and makes no sense since grandfather would get the girls, regardless a commoner or founding family since every other founding family wants to make Fletchers happy for what he represents.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of what was used to drive a wedge between MCs grandfather and his harem was a lie about him being sterile.

Staying married to him would be, from a cynical standpoint, like staying on a sicking ship. A Family with no heirs or younger generations would be doomed to go extinct. So that would drive away the Family wives, and not being told that children were off the cards could easily drive away the commoner wives who did love him but actually wanted children and who felt betrayed by finding out something they felt was being kept a secret from them. I wouldn't think it beyond Family power to have medical files doctored and then to leak those fakes to the wives in one way or another.

Faking test results is one thing, but if he wasn't actually sterile, then having lots of unprotected sex with a number of different women (his wives) is likely to prove that those fake tests wrong.

It would also need to have started from before Gloria would have been able to influence any of that.

i would rather think its more of them being fed with food that makes the unable to bare child rather than the grandfather being sterile
its more possible that Gloria somehow caught wind of the situation and she decides to dunk it to gain power
after all, a child that was borned between two founding families will have a greater impact in the meetings since the wives would taught their children to support the matriarch side as evident by how Catherine's mom is behaving

 

[Rob_31415926]

lemme just stressed on what i pointed out again

1) MC being 18 is kinda sad tbh
2) there werent any traces of any hidden uncles for MC or else the fletcher wont be "missing" for so many years until MC are back in town
i doubt that neither Hamilton and Russells would resist the chance to rule the founding family
3) i doubt its the rape chant, too cliche and makes no sense since grandfather would get the girls, regardless a commoner or founding family since every other founding family wants to make Fletchers happy for what he represents.




i would rather think its more of them being fed with food that makes the unable to bare child rather than the grandfather being sterile
its more possible that Gloria somehow caught wind of the situation and she decides to dunk it to gain power
after all, a child that was borned between two founding families will have a greater impact in the meetings since the wives would taught their children to support the matriarch side as evident by how Catherine's mom is behaving

OK.

I disagree, but either way, they're just theories. We're probably both wrong.

For all that I look ahead and ponder, I actually hope I'm wrong and that the Dev can take me down a different plotline altogether. I find it's more interesting that way.

 

[netcov]

OK.

I disagree, but either way, they're just theories. We're probably both wrong.

For all that I look ahead and ponder, I actually hope I'm wrong and that the Dev can take me down a different plotline altogether. I find it's more interesting that way.

We're going now into deep CIA / PsyOps theories.
I'd rather keep it simple with either driving a wedge by insinuation / blackmail / strong-arming grandpa Fletcher. I could even see the scenario of a financial/political heavy joint venture being sabotaged to a point where gramps loses the trust of his closest people. This would follow suit to Allison's/Hannah's dad saying gramps is still remembered as a respected person (but failed business man/moderator of founding families).

 

[Rob_31415926]

We're going now into deep CIA / PsyOps theories.
I'd rather keep it simple with either driving a wedge by insinuation / blackmail / strong-arming grandpa Fletcher. I could even see the scenario of a financial/political heavy joint venture being sabotaged to a point where gramps loses the trust of his closest people. This would follow suit to Allison's/Hannah's dad saying gramps is still remembered as a respected person (but failed business man/moderator of founding families).

Hear me out here....

 

[jvbatman]

Hear me out here....

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Don't be stupid. Gloria is clearly a lizardperson.