VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.12] [Cosy Creator]

[MWPA78]

With all due respect, what the hell are you on about? Because it really feels like you just hate all parties in a relationship having an equal say in the state of said relationship. The reason not to say "I'll decide this myself" is being a decent person who cares about the input of your significant other(s) and respects the boundaries they have relating to their romantic relationship. There's a difference between being the "dominant" one in a relationship and being an overly-controlling partner. You talk about "women" and "wives" consistently acting a certain way that needs to be curbed by their partner as if they aren't whole-ass people with their own desires, just the same as men?

Stuff like this; a relationship isn't something to be "won." That's not healthy. It's about cooperation, about wanting your partner(s) to be comfortable and successful in what they want to achieve, and trusting that they want the same for you. It's not being a "beta male" to want the person (or people) you love to be happy; that's just being a considerate person. I'm sorry if you've had bad experiences with previous relationships, but I promise you that that's not a standard, healthy relationship. Not all men want polygamy. Not all women are obsessed with control. You can't attach those kinds of desires to entire genders.

Yes, you don't want the girl to have equal say. Control is good. You can use it for good.

There are always power struggles below the surface, and if you think there aren't because true love, she'll have you watch from the cuck chair rather sooner than later.



You want her to be happy, but you also want yourself to be happy. So you don't concede power. You keep power and act in a benevolent manner to keep the relationship wholesome for both of you.

(The picture is just for the giggles. I'm not calling you a cuck.)

 

[BViking]

Maybe he will meet the love of his life.

He already did, and her name is Lucy thank you very much.

 

[mordred93]

Also with some basic math I thick we are going to get a contest of sorts for 10th Gf or the council might expand it. Since Vicky was the only one really for it. The FF Girls are used to that kind of dynamic so the more added the more votes for other stuff.
With the four we have now. Catherine, Hannah, Alison, and Misaka, being 5-8. We don't really have a guaranteed 9 and 10.
Because Elizabeth, Akari, and Rachel make 11. And then we have the side characters that have a chance of getting in with Samantha the groupie and Anabelle the Klutz. Making 12 and 13. And this is with no idea of what other characyers are going to be added. I have a prediction. If we we stick with 10 then when we finally beat Akari we get her just added. Or maybe the limit pushed back to 15.

If you really want to know the answer to this ... check out an old post. Massive spoilers: https://f95zone.to/threads/cosy-cafe-v0-12-cosy-creator.143711/post-16250848

 

[MWPA78]

Wait... how many marriages do you actually think start with the wife saying, "please use condom when sleeping with other girls"? Not saying it doesn't ever happen, just that it is so far off of a typical marriage that it is laughable.

Also, I think that the amount of domination that a man applies is ideally proportional to how unreasonable his wife/girlfriend is (unless, of course, she is just totally into that sort of thing). None of these girls shows any sign of trying to get over on him. Besides, he has the perfect leverage if someone did try that--Just say, "Oh no, you're going to hold out on me unless I put you above the others? Whatever will I do? Guess I'm stuck spending more time with my half-dozen other girlfriends, who all love me unconditionally, without playing any power games."

The question is not domination, but why concede power. He could just behave in a way that wont cause the problems Vicky is worried about without letting her set limits in stone or making promises he can never take back. He could just choose to keep it to 10 GFs and the problem would be solved in the same way - but he'd still have the reigns in his hands.

Since marriages are not arranged anymore, they usually start with casual dating.

Edit: Your last part was always the biggest selling point to not promise monogamy lol. "Disarmed!"

 

[shitass1001]

The question is not domination, but why concede power. He could just behave in a way that wont cause the problems Vicky is worried about without letting her set limits in stone or making promises he can never take back. He could just choose to keep it to 10 GFs and the problem would be solved in the same way - but he'd still have the reigns in his hands.

Since marriages are not arranged anymore, they usually start with casual dating.

you're splitting hairs

 

[MWPA78]

you're splitting hairs

I had knives sharp enough to do it!

 

[Rogue Reaper]

I'm not even worried about the GF limit.. I'm more worried about Sarah's sneaky BS with another lottery/favor thing on the event flyers.. When MC told her to not do that again..

 

[MWPA78]

I'm not even worried about the GF limit.. I'm more worried about Sarah's sneaky BS with another lottery/favor thing on the event flyers.. When MC told her to not do that again..

She did AGAIN!?

I'm not there yet, but that might indicate MC has to work on his pimp hand lol.

 

[RadicalGuy]

Talking about Cats sisters, long term, I can see MC raising a montion on the council that makes it so that women can officially head Founding Families, with an eye for Cats smart younger sister taking over from their father or older brother depending on where things stand at the time. Also depending on the circumstances, I can't see Gloria voting against something that could in some small way further cement her leadership of her family. It would also allow Brians older sister to attempt to usurp the head of family position from him. Which would make sense with her being a side LI, it'd give MC wives from three of the families and an ally/girlfriend heading the forth.

Now that's an interesting idea. Elizabeth being the head of Russel Family would also solve problem with Gilbert's (both controlling the council and Hannah's engagement). Bennet's and Catherine problem could be solved later and Hamilton will be left alone without any allies (because fuck this guy)

Lucy and Misaki are both painfully shy women who are trying to conquer that shyness and become someone else and exploring themselves sexually as they grow. They both have similar backgrounds, Lucy's mom is outright abusive, while Misaki's parents are incredibly strict and controlling.

The only real difference lies in terms of their power and levels of freedom. Lucy is living with MC and out of her abusive mothers house, while Misaki is still living with her controlling parents. Lucy is a student, and pastry chef in her future husbands café while Misaki is stuck in a job she hates and isn't good at. One is free and doing what she wants, the other is trapped.

I wouldn't say that. It''s truth that both Lucy and Misaki are both shy, but I would argue that similarities end here. Lucy was physically abused by her mother, someone who should love her unconditionally. Misaki is controlled by her parents (or rather, their expectations - stereotypical Asian parents). The way both are coming out of their shell is also different - Lucy needed safe space, which she got, when she moved with MC. While her mother had said that she will be homeless and MC will kick her out, when he got bored, she proven the opposite by being successful head-waitress and soon, pastry chef. Misaki on the other hand needs to learn how to say "no" (which was already mentioned in the last update). Right now, Misaki is "yes man" (or "yes woman") - that's why she got stuck in job she doesn't really like, that's why she cannot control her class and that's why is learns how to rebel by being slut.
Main problem with Misaki right now, is that she stuck at this weird point, were it make sense to move her character arc further, but cannot do that, due to her being MC teather, and as someone nicely said in this thread - "but I also think we will come to know Misaki... when Misaki comes to know herself.

 

[vsvsx92]

Here Victoria says that the MC never told her about how he didn't tell her about how she can say "No", if MC does something she is not comfortable with

But here (when Vicky becomes the 2nd GF), it is clearly stated how the MC clearly tells Vicky how she can say she isn't comfortable.

It is a small detail in hindsight, but it always bugged me.

 

[goontuber]

He already did, and her name is Lucy thank you very much.

oh yeah the MC has had that realization that he loves lucy. he hasnt told her out loud yet i think but i cant wait for that scene.

 

[mordred93]

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Here Victoria says that the MC never told her about how he didn't tell her about how she can say "No", if MC does something she is not comfortable with
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But here (when Vicky becomes the 2nd GF), it is clearly stated how the MC clearly tells Vicky how she can say she isn't comfortable.

It is a small detail in hindsight, but it always bugged me.

She has cow memory as well. Well that is what they call it in the game. I.e. Selective memory of events.

 

[RadicalGuy]

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Here Victoria says that the MC never told her about how he didn't tell her about how she can say "No", if MC does something she is not comfortable with
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But here (when Vicky becomes the 2nd GF), it is clearly stated how the MC clearly tells Vicky how she can say she isn't comfortable.

It is a small detail in hindsight, but it always bugged me.

The dialogue for both scenes has a small difference between what MC told Victoria and what he said to Akatsuki.

MC "Okay, a couple more things then. First, perhaps I don't need to tell you this like with Lucy, but if I'm making you do anything you don't want, tell me."
Victoria "Pfft, do you really think you can find my limits before you hit yours?"
MC "Big words for a virgin. I guess we'll find out."


MC "If you ever don't want to do something, you can say no to me whenever you want, kitten. I won't be upset."
Akatsuki "Hm."
Victoria "Hey! How come you never told me that?"
MC "Because slaves don't get to say no."

So, both Lucy and Akatsuki can say "no", which would stop whatever is going on at that moment. Victoria on the other hand can say she doesn't like something, but it's not implied, that MC will stop. To summarize - Lucy and Akatsuki can say "i don't like it, stop", while Vic can only say "i don't like it"

 

[mordred93]

Now that's an interesting idea. Elizabeth being the head of Russel Family would also solve problem with Gilbert's (both controlling the council and Hannah's engagement). Bennet's and Catherine problem could be solved later and Hamilton will be left alone without any allies (because fuck this guy)

That is an interesting take. I wondered how Elizabeth would play into things. She wants to destroy (god I hate that term), but I doubt she wants to be the next head of household. Maybe that is where Annabelle comes in, as we don't know what family she is from (yet). However there is good things to think about here. I like this path.

 

[Skylaroo]

But... it is just me, or someone else lost any interest in Ms Takamura too? It is just 0.12, already and i still dont see any meaning in her character, aside obvious filler fetish fanservice. Just to feed audience. She still has no meaning in general plot. You can literally replace her by pink siluette side NPC, or just skip any scene with her and game does not lose much.

I've never been interested in her exactly because she has no real relevance in the plot which is very jarring when compared to the others. Even Rachel at least had consistently been antagonistic towards MC from day 1 at school though she's another that doesn't really have much involvement in the plot.

 

[RadicalGuy]

That is an interesting take. I wondered how Elizabeth would play into things. She wants to destroy (god I hate that term), but I doubt she wants to be the next head of household. Maybe that is where Annabelle comes in, as we don't know what family she is from (yet). However there is good things to think about here. I like this path.

Since Annabelle was introduced, I had an idea that she is MC's family. His grandfather had at some point multiple wifes, so it could be possible. Hovewer, with here being side LI, game would be balancing on incest territory and with Patreon being Patreon, I don't think Cosy would be willing to risk it
As for Elizabeth - it's difficult to say at this point what is her end goal. Does she hold a grudge against her mother or whole family? Maybe whole Founding Family stuff is not to her liking? We had two interactions with her (unless I'm missing something) so it may go either way - she can take out her mother and ride int othe sunset or take over Russell family

 

[hameleona]

Since Annabelle was introduced, I had an idea that she is MC's family. His grandfather had at some point multiple wifes, so it could be possible. Hovewer, with here being side LI, game would be balancing on incest territory and with Patreon being Patreon, I don't think Cosy would be willing to risk it

A good rule of thumb for anyone who is disturbed by incest is to never try and figure out nobility family trees.
There is a good chance the MC is some form of cousin to Alison, Hannah, Catherine and Sarah. Possibly Elizabeth too. There is also a good chance he has a few aunts running around, dozens of other cousins, uncles, etc, considering the Founding Families apparent policy of political marriages and the sheer size those families should be. Hell, some of his grandmothers might still be around or married in to some of the existing families. I suggest we just don't point it out a lot.

 

[goontuber]

A good rule of thumb for anyone who is disturbed by incest is to never try and figure out nobility family trees.
There is a good chance the MC is some form of cousin to Alison, Hannah, Catherine and Sarah. Possibly Elizabeth too. There is also a good chance he has a few aunts running around, dozens of other cousins, uncles, etc, considering the Founding Families apparent policy of political marriages and the sheer size those families should be. Hell, some of his grandmothers might still be around or married in to some of the existing families. I suggest we just don't point it out a lot.

i suggest we point it out more cuz im into that shit

 

[preglovr12]

Since Annabelle was introduced, I had an idea that she is MC's family.

I'd bet money on Samantha.

 

[DarkBlade12345]

Another great update, as always!

I like how the first day had all of the Takamuras. The scenes with Misaki were great I love how the MC is trying to get her to be more daring and come out of her shell. I wonder if she will end up being involved in the cafe. She's shown interest, but I don't really see what roll she could fill. The scene with Akatsuki under the table while Akemi tries to flirt was also a really good scene. I'm looking forward to when we can finally rematch her and hopefully win this time.

The scene with Catherine was definitely one of the standout moments of this update. I always liked her, but I see her with a new found respect, knowing that she's trying to support her little sisters. At the same time, I've lost some of the respect that I had for their father. Before, he came off as a well meaning but naive man, but knowing now that he's neglectful towards his kids, completely changes things. It also gives me more respect for Catherine's decision to pursue the MC, because she's not just doing it for herself. I'm now torn because I want Catherine and her sisters to move into the cafe, but I don't know if it's really the best environment for little kids. Well, it's something to think about.

The other standout of the update was the photoshoot with Sarah. There was a lot of build-up, even in this update to it, with how she was acting uncharacteristically romantic. I'm glad that we finally have that payoff and she has officially become a girlfriend. I wonder how long she's going to play double-agent. I am starting to feel bad for her mom because she seems to be somewhat unaware, but she doesn't seem to be willing to actually put in the work to figure things out.

The scene with Rachel actually played out exactly how I wanted it to play out. My feeling about Rachel seem to be pretty much exactly like the MC's. That once again has me curious how she's going to become likable. It seems like she may have took what the MC said to heart, so this is likely the start, but she has a lot of work to do.

I'm really looking forward to the double-date with Lucy and Victoria. No matter who else is introduced, they'll always hold a special place in my heart, since we pretty much started the cafe with them. I'm also curious who the new waitress will be. If I had to guess, I would say either Rachel or Elizabeth. I think I would personally prefer Elizabeth, but I guess we'll see.