VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.13.1 EA] [Cosy Creator]

[HiHaHo]

I would wager that the Sarah "full court press" is over now, at least for a while. Lucy and Vicky have double double dates coming up, Akatsuki just had a ton of screen time with Sarah, as did Catherine. I don't like when Lucy & Vicky take the back burner for a few updates, and they basically have in favor of Sarah, the Kitten, and Catherine.

Thankfully, the next update puts the focus on the first two girls and the FF Council, which I am incredibly curious about. Who's with me in thinking Lucy's Mom and/or Vicky's dad will show up? Could Lucy's abuse become public if her mother pushes her or the MC too hard?

its bound to happen that one or two girls get more time for a update then others,that's good or bad depending on which LI you personally like most.

 

[shitass1001]

Who's with me in thinking Lucy's Mom and/or Vicky's dad will show up? Could Lucy's abuse become public if her mother pushes her or the MC too hard?

I don't see Lucy's mom showing up so soon, but Vicky's dad was just set up in the most recent update. Perhaps he was trying to warn her about someone who started looking for dirt on their family (like Danny doing some crimes or something). Or maybe its just to indicate that he is aware of Victoria's whereabouts and "wants her back" so to speak, so he goes to Russels or MAYBE the Hamilton's for help. Hard to say.

With the coming founding family meeting happening at the cafe it definitely makes sense that, if Lucy's mom or Vicky's dad were to show up, that meeting would be a good time to add some drama. If Lucy's mom shows up that would scare her a lot, and add some chance for MC/the whole group to console her (which would be the perfect time for him to say I love you to her :O)

 

[Mark Loring]

I don't see Lucy's mom showing up so soon, but Vicky's dad was just set up in the most recent update. Perhaps he was trying to warn her about someone who started looking for dirt on their family (like Danny doing some crimes or something). Or maybe its just to indicate that he is aware of Victoria's whereabouts and "wants her back" so to speak, so he goes to Russels or MAYBE the Hamilton's for help. Hard to say.

With the coming founding family meeting happening at the cafe it definitely makes sense that, if Lucy's mom or Vicky's dad were to show up, that meeting would be a good time to add some drama. If Lucy's mom shows up that would scare her a lot, and add some chance for MC/the whole group to console her (which would be the perfect time for him to say I love you to her :O)

I think the 'I love you' to both girls should come in the next update, either during the double dates or maybe during the day of the Council. Lucy could easily, with the right encouragement, stand up to her mother, especially if she gets pushed, like she did to Rachel in Sarah's clubroom some time ago.

 

[someoneyouknow2452]

You guys keep speculating that Lucy's mom and/or Vicky's dad would successfully involve Gloria Russel in their schemes.

Gloria Russel. The woman who destroyed her brother and usurped control of her own family in a strictly Patriarchal society. The woman who manipulated the other families to help destroy the Fletchers and send the MCs grandfather into a life long exile. The woman who has maintained and possibly extended the range of power her family commands since then.

Even the most basic background check into Lucy's mom and Vicky's dad would reveal them to be the low lives that they are. Why would she ever get involved with them? What tale could they possibly spin to get her on their side? If they are that good, why aren't they already living as Kings and Queens? and if Gloria is that easily manipulated why are the Russels still a factor at all?

 

[HiHaHo]

You guys keep speculating that Lucy's mom and/or Vicky's dad would successfully involve Gloria Russel in their schemes.

Gloria Russel. The woman who destroyed her brother and usurped control of her own family in a strictly Patriarchal society. The woman who manipulated the other families to help destroy the Fletchers and send the MCs grandfather into a life long exile. The woman who has maintained and possibly extended the range of power her family commands since then.

Even the most basic background check into Lucy's mom and Vicky's dad would reveal them to be the low lives that they are. Why would she ever get involved with them? What tale could they possibly spin to get her on their side? If they are that good, why aren't they already living as Kings and Queens? and if Gloria is that easily manipulated why are the Russels still a factor at all?

can't say you're wrong,maybe a bit off tunnel vision is the issue,flip the manipulators around and it works out fine.
Gloria is already known for being the cut throat politician,she see's the MC's fletcher faction as a threat.
using lucy's mon or vicky's dad to cause trouble for the cafe or MC ,and they wouldn't be to hard to convince to do so.
i doubt they'd be effective at best what they would do would serve as a diversion or smokescreen for a bigger/better thing.

really depends on how deep cosy wants to go with FF side off the VN.

 

[Mark Loring]

You guys keep speculating that Lucy's mom and/or Vicky's dad would successfully involve Gloria Russel in their schemes.

Gloria Russel. The woman who destroyed her brother and usurped control of her own family in a strictly Patriarchal society. The woman who manipulated the other families to help destroy the Fletchers and send the MCs grandfather into a life long exile. The woman who has maintained and possibly extended the range of power her family commands since then.

Even the most basic background check into Lucy's mom and Vicky's dad would reveal them to be the low lives that they are. Why would she ever get involved with them? What tale could they possibly spin to get her on their side? If they are that good, why aren't they already living as Kings and Queens? and if Gloria is that easily manipulated why are the Russels still a factor at all?

I don't think, and never said, either the father or the mother would even go to Russell (at least not initially). For all we know, Lucy's mother could just show up on the policy schedule (like the one Alison handed the MC before he attended his first Council).

Hopefully Vicky's dad doesn't know where she lives now but Lucy's mother knows his last name, so it makes more sense for her to show up first.

 

[S1nsational]

You guys keep speculating that Lucy's mom and/or Vicky's dad would successfully involve Gloria Russel in their schemes.

Gloria Russel. The woman who destroyed her brother and usurped control of her own family in a strictly Patriarchal society. The woman who manipulated the other families to help destroy the Fletchers and send the MCs grandfather into a life long exile. The woman who has maintained and possibly extended the range of power her family commands since then.

Even the most basic background check into Lucy's mom and Vicky's dad would reveal them to be the low lives that they are. Why would she ever get involved with them? What tale could they possibly spin to get her on their side? If they are that good, why aren't they already living as Kings and Queens? and if Gloria is that easily manipulated why are the Russels still a factor at all?

You say that like it'd be a reasonable assumption that she'd be working for them or following their ideas.

Personally, i would see it more likely that she'd weaponize them, and use them to her own ends all while appearing to help them get what they want.

Doxxing MC and his girls, and making it so the police turn a blind eye to any harassment and or assault by Lucy's mom and Vicky's dad.

A prolonged harassment campaign could be seen as a way to drive MC and his girls out of town when buying him off failed.

And that's just one blunt way those parents could be used

Given the information network the Families very likely have, to say nothing of all the Family members, distant and immediate, that go to the same school as MC and his girls and it'd be very well know how important Lucy and Victoria are to MC.

A good move would be to publicly acknowledge Victoria as being one of MCs women, part of his Family, then paying off her fathers debts, and pushing that debt onto MC directly. Leverage the debt to turn House Fletcher into her puppet on the council, or use it to drive him and his out of town.

 

[someoneyouknow2452]

can't say you're wrong,maybe a bit off tunnel vision is the issue,flip the manipulators around and it works out fine.
Gloria is already known for being the cut throat politician,she see's the MC's fletcher faction as a threat.
using lucy's mon or vicky's dad to cause trouble for the cafe or MC ,and they wouldn't be to hard to convince to do so.
i doubt they'd be effective at best what they would do would serve as a diversion or smokescreen for a bigger/better thing.

really depends on how deep cosy wants to go with FF side off the VN.

I could potentially see that yea. But Lucy should be strong enough to tell her mother to fuck off almost on her own by now. Vicky on the other hand seems to revel into getting into people's faces and nothing seems to faze her, tho maybe she is weak confronting her father. It's hard to tell since we didn't see that scene play out ourselves. She didn't give her father the time or day but seems to have lost her cool which she has never done before.
I personally don't see that leading anywhere.

 

[someoneyouknow2452]

You say that like it'd be a reasonable assumption that she'd be working for them or following their ideas.

Personally, i would see it more likely that she'd weaponize them, and use them to her own ends all while appearing to help them get what they want.

Doxxing MC and his girls, and making it so the police turn a blind eye to any harassment and or assault by Lucy's mom and Vicky's dad.

A prolonged harassment campaign could be seen as a way to drive MC and his girls out of town when buying him off failed.

And that's just one blunt way those parents could be used

Given the information network the Families very likely have, to say nothing of all the Family members, distant and immediate, that go to the same school as MC and his girls and it'd be very well know how important Lucy and Victoria are to MC.

A good move would be to publicly acknowledge Victoria as being one of MCs women, part of his Family, then paying off her fathers debts, and pushing that debt onto MC directly. Leverage the debt to turn House Fletcher into her puppet on the council, or use it to drive him and his out of town.

There has been almost no violence in this story so far. The only cases I remember were in the beginning with the MC punching Lenny back in the stomach on the train and sometime later pinning Brian to the lockers. Then there was Vicky's brother beating up their father but that is not Founding Family business.
You'd think that decades of stalemate between 4 powerful families would erupt in violence at some point right? But that is clearly not the route Cosy has chosen for his story. it will be hard to explain story wise but perhaps some sort of shared Code of Honour instilled in the families since their founding 400 years ago?

 

[Mark Loring]

There has been almost no violence in this story so far. The only cases I remember were in the beginning with the MC punching Lenny back in the stomach on the train and sometime later pinning Brian to the lockers. Then there was Vicky's brother beating up their father but that is not Founding Family business.
You'd think that decades of stalemate between 4 powerful families would erupt in violence at some point right? But that is clearly not the route Cosy has chosen for his story. it will be hard to explain story wise but perhaps some sort of shared Code of Honour instilled in the families since their founding 400 years ago?

I don't think we're going to have any full-blown violence. I don't expect it to turn into A Clockwork Orange with a good bit of Ultra Violence. The cafe might get broken into, but I don't expect any flat-out assaults on anyone. Don't think Cosy wants that kind of thing in the game.

 

[HiHaHo]

I could potentially see that yea. But Lucy should be strong enough to tell her mother to fuck off almost on her own by now. Vicky on the other hand seems to revel into getting into people's faces and nothing seems to faze her, tho maybe she is weak confronting her father. It's hard to tell since we didn't see that scene play out ourselves. She didn't give her father the time or day but seems to have lost her cool which she has never done before.
I personally don't see that leading anywhere.

lucy has lived under her mothers thumb for years and something like that doesn't change after 2-3 weeks,in a one on one direct confrontation i don't think she'd stand firm but it would probably spiral into her mon attacking/insulting the MC ,which would be something she would actually stand against which fits her selfless mindset.

something similar could be said about vicky,but she had her brother to rely on so the dynamic plays out differently.

but the idea i had (if they were to show up as "agents" for gloira) their things wouldn't have to "lead" anywhere as they'd serve a distraction role.

 

[S1nsational]

There has been almost no violence in this story so far. The only cases I remember were in the beginning with the MC punching Lenny back in the stomach on the train and sometime later pinning Brian to the lockers. Then there was Vicky's brother beating up their father but that is not Founding Family business.
You'd think that decades of stalemate between 4 powerful families would erupt in violence at some point right? But that is clearly not the route Cosy has chosen for his story. it will be hard to explain story wise but perhaps some sort of shared Code of Honour instilled in the families since their founding 400 years ago?

Lucy's mom was regularly beating her, leaving massive deep bruises on her. She threw a bot of boiling hot water at her which could have left her with serious burns.

Vicky's father was going to sell her to pay off his gambling debts, do you really see that having ended in anything other than her being physically and sexually assaulted for the rest of her life if the person who was collecting the debt hadn't known her brother and was afraid of what he'd do to him if he'd touched her?

Those events aren't FF business, yea, but I do not see any of the families hesitating to cause horrible things to happen if it suits them.

Hannah's father is content to sell her into a life of rape and abuse at the hands of Brian to achieve his goal of what he sees as balance on the council. That's violence and FF business.

Sarah's father arranged to have her stalked and terrified to drive her closer to MC to attempt a politically advantageous marriage. That's violence and FF business.

The baker who is friendly with MC says early on that FF increase inspections and try to drive companies out of business if they run afoul of them. That's violence no different that a protection racket.

Not all violence is men is masks with knives and guns.

 

[shitass1001]

I don't think we're going to have any full-blown violence. I don't expect it to turn into A Clockwork Orange with a good bit of Ultra Violence. The cafe might get broken into, but I don't expect any flat-out assaults on anyone. Don't think Cosy wants that kind of thing in the game.

If anything, the violence we see will probably be the MC inflicting it on other people, like maybe at most brain goes to slap Hannah and he intervenes. Given the... cosy nature of the game, you're right that Cosy probably wont be implementing much violence

 

[Mark Loring]

If anything, the violence we see will probably be the MC inflicting it on other people, like maybe at most brain goes to slap Hannah and he intervenes. Given the... cosy nature of the game, you're right that Cosy probably wont be implementing much violence

If Brian lays a finger on Hannah he's gone. I can see Hannah showing up on day like that, but I don't think we'll actually SEE the slap

 

[HiHaHo]

Hannah's father is content to sell her into a life of rape and abuse at the hands of Brian to achieve his goal of what he sees as balance on the council. That's violence and FF business.

hmm i think you should replay the scene where the MC meets with mr. Gilbert again.
he's most definitely not "content" in doing so im sure its better framed as "a sacrifice"
and it was also said that he warned Gloria that any mistreatment off hannah would instantly make the gilberts her enemy.

there would be no rape ,its a arranged marriage which would make hannah brian's wife ,and she's not some dumb bimbo ,she comes from a FF she's fully aware off what comes with that,she's surely been raised/instructed on a FF wife "duty's".
she can say "no,i won't do it" at any time like alison. and no i don't buy into that coercion/blackmail narrative ether.
because just like her father,its a "sacrifice" hannah is willing to do ,framing it any other way is just belittling hannah into being agreeable/submissive pawn for her father ,gloria and brian.

again i'll say brian is NO RAPIST!
yes hes a sleasy asshole,but there has been no indication that he rapes girls,at most hes trying to buy their time,our uses them because they want to get close to a FF heir.
he's a spoiled brat riding high on his family's name ,position and wealth which he's simply using that to (try) bang girls,like most highschool boys in his position would.

simply calling a guy you dislike a rapist without any indication or proof isn't something anyone should do,please save that for the feminist rally's

 

[someoneyouknow2452]

Lucy's mom was regularly beating her, leaving massive deep bruises on her. She threw a bot of boiling hot water at her which could have left her with serious burns.

Vicky's father was going to sell her to pay off his gambling debts, do you really see that having ended in anything other than her being physically and sexually assaulted for the rest of her life if the person who was collecting the debt hadn't known her brother and was afraid of what he'd do to him if he'd touched her?

Those events aren't FF business, yea, but I do not see any of the families hesitating to cause horrible things to happen if it suits them.

Hannah's father is content to sell her into a life of rape and abuse at the hands of Brian to achieve his goal of what he sees as balance on the council. That's violence and FF business.

Sarah's father arranged to have her stalked and terrified to drive her closer to MC to attempt a politically advantageous marriage. That's violence and FF business.

The baker who is friendly with MC says early on that FF increase inspections and try to drive companies out of business if they run afoul of them. That's violence no different that a protection racket.

Not all violence is men is masks with knives and guns.

Well I disagree on most points raised here. Basically it comes down to you redefining the word violence to suit your needs. It's clear that the world Cosy has built has way less violence that the real world and that within the Founding Families there is almost zero. Next are you going to redefine what the word cozy means?

 

[BViking]

Lucy's mom was regularly beating her, leaving massive deep bruises on her. She threw a bot of boiling hot water at her which could have left her with serious burns.

It was a hot pan with oil, but we shouldn't worry because none of the oil got on the hoodie. Pay no attention to the giant bruise on the left.

 

[danb35]

Not all violence is men is masks with knives and guns.

No, but "harassing inspections" still doesn't count. Nor does a stalker (though it arguably could count as a threat of violence). Nor, really, is the proposed situation between Hannah and Brian.

 

[rta001]

there would be no rape ,its a arranged marriage which would make hannah brian's wife ,and she's not some dumb bimbo ,she comes from a FF she's fully aware off what comes with that,she's surely been raised/instructed on a FF wife "duty's".
she can say "no,i won't do it" at any time like alison. and no i don't buy into that coercion/blackmail narrative ether.
because just like her father,its a "sacrifice" hannah is willing to do ,framing it any other way is just belittling hannah into being agreeable/submissive pawn for her father ,gloria and brian.

again i'll say brian is NO RAPIST!
yes hes a sleasy asshole,but there has been no indication that he rapes girls,at most hes trying to buy their time,our uses them because they want to get close to a FF heir.
he's a spoiled brat riding high on his family's name ,position and wealth which he's simply using that to (try) bang girls,like most highschool boys in his position would.

simply calling a guy you dislike a rapist without any indication or proof isn't something anyone should do,please save that for the feminist rally's

You've got a seriously warped view of consent.

Hannah clearly loathes Brian, and the thought of him touching her turns her stomach. I guess you don't believe in the very real issue of coercive control, but that's exactly the position she would find herself in, expected to do things she absolutely does not want to do, but doing them anyways because other people have power over her life.

As for Brian being a rapist, you're right, he's not a rapist. Yet. But he's a man who's also shown a lack of self control coupled with an unwarranted possessiveness over the women in his life. He outright believes he owns these women because he is rich and powerful, and is entitled to their attention and affection.

Guys like this often have a massive issue with consent just a little later in life.

 

[hameleona]

If Lucy's mom shows up that would scare her a lot, and add some chance for MC/the whole group to console her

Showing up to cause drama at the local noble gathering. She would get nuked from orbit. Gilbert won't tolerate such shit, Hamilton has to support the MC and even the Russels would probably obliterate a peasant trying to waste their time. Oh, boy, I kinda wish she shows up now.

can't say you're wrong,maybe a bit off tunnel vision is the issue,flip the manipulators around and it works out fine.
Gloria is already known for being the cut throat politician,she see's the MC's fletcher faction as a threat.
using lucy's mon or vicky's dad to cause trouble for the cafe or MC ,and they wouldn't be to hard to convince to do so.
i doubt they'd be effective at best what they would do would serve as a diversion or smokescreen for a bigger/better thing.

really depends on how deep cosy wants to go with FF side off the VN.

Generally - this.
I'd just expand on two notes - there is nothing for Gloria to lose from encouraging Lucy's mom and Victoria's dad to stir the pot and in general, every minor distraction you could throw in the face of your enemy - the better. Might achieve nothing or migth distract them in a perfect moment and let you land a big hit.
And the MC is not just an enemy to Gloria, he is the reason her faction is in tatters. At minimum she needs him to stop existing so things could get back to the status quo and if she is half as smart as people say she is, she is probably well aware that Gilbert is not a fan of hers. I have speculated, that a Gilber-Fletcher-Barnett alliance is probably the best outcome and something the MC could work towards to. If I can see it, so should Gloria.

I don't think we're going to have any full-blown violence. I don't expect it to turn into A Clockwork Orange with a good bit of Ultra Violence. The cafe might get broken into, but I don't expect any flat-out assaults on anyone. Don't think Cosy wants that kind of thing in the game.

There shouldn't be any FF related violence, period. If the families were ok with using hard power against each-other, they wouldn't have survived for 400 years. The only way such an unstable situation holds for so long is them keeping it civil. Probably by inflicting excessive amounts of pain on anyone even looking like they are about to go the hard power route (not that hard, when you have people on all government levels).
And there is like one possible non-FF violent confrontation for now - MC meets Vicki's dad. Might do him some good - the MC has been building up a lot of frustration and needs an outlet

Hannah's father is content to sell her into a life of rape and abuse at the hands of Brian to achieve his goal of what he sees as balance on the council. That's violence and FF business.

Sarah's father arranged to have her stalked and terrified to drive her closer to MC to attempt a politically advantageous marriage. That's violence and FF business.

The baker who is friendly with MC says early on that FF increase inspections and try to drive companies out of business if they run afoul of them. That's violence no different that a protection racket.

You are vastly mischaracterizing both Brain and Gilbert and have the one of the top 10 widest definitions of what violence means I've seen. And I study history and politics for a living.

Gilbert had a very good, very solid plan. Marry Alison - headstrong, generally tough, so-so manipulator and smart to a brat who is 9 years her junior. Anyone thinking Brain would have a say in that relationship is just superimposing Joffrey Baratheon over him, cause they are both spoiled and blond. And while Brain is no where near such a bastard (more on that later), he is about as dumb, so a smart lady would play him like a fiddle. Everything rode on that for Gilbert - he states it plainly - both Hamilton and Russel would be bad news if they have the power in the council. There needs to be balance and he was also probably hoping to have direct influence over the third gen Russell heir trough Alison, maybe removing some of the really thorny bits. Except Alison fucked it all up and he can either sacrifice Hannah and do whatever he can to protect her while he can or sacrifice his family, because without the Russels he is extremely vulnerable and would probably face the same fate as the Fletcher clan. Power politics is not kind to people who aren't cutthroat bastards. What would you do in his place? Fuck one child's life or fuck 10+ children's lives? The moment an alternative presented itself he was content with supporting it and his right-hand woman directly states he is essentially rooting for the MC.

And Brain is plainly not a rapist. Hell, besides being arrogant and full of himself there is no evidence he has done anything of the sorts. He is pushy with girls, but as far as I remember he hasn't even laid a finger on Vicky (in all senses of the word) and he acted pretty obsessed with her. Like, for all his bravado, as far as we know he managed to only fuck the school slut... not really an evil mastermind there. Yeah, he could turn out to be a complete evil bastard, but he might also just be a spoiled teen. And I'm pretty sure he hasn't done or said anything bad to Hannah. He pushes for support, but that's normal in the Families - she is to be his first wife, she should support him in public by the rules of that social circle. If anything she is the one breaking proper decorum by constantly looking uncomfortable when he does his hsenanigans.

And I'll be honest, while arranged marriages are very iffy on the consent side, it's very clear that saying no is not only an option, but would still keep you in a very privileged social class. After all the exile Alison landed a pretty hard to get job for a normal person. I don't agree with Alison and MC's dismissal of Hannah's position and her refusal to just say no, but I'm also not shedding crocodile tears when her choice is to whore herself to Brain for a life of luxury and privilege and power or say no and live like a normal person. Like, her choice is less scary then coming out as gay in Eastern Europe, ffs.

Put Catherine in place of Hannah and the next generation of Russel's would be Bernett's pets. Probably another reason Catherine dislikes Hannah so much, come to think about it.