VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.13.1 EA] [Cosy Creator]

[MWPA78]

I disagree, it really isn't conceding much power, and it fits very well with his character. He cares about the girls, and its clear that the uncertainty was making some of them uneasy, Lucy asked him about this first, and it was brought up again at some point. Ill go further and say that while the MC is dominant, he isnt really "ownership" dominant, and he shows this even with the girl who is most openly submissive to him, Vicky (Their relationship has many moments where he clearly sees her as an equal and wants to minimize her discomfort or harm, like during her first time). I think MC is dominant in the way that he just wants to "wear the pants" so to speak, which comes with a level of passing along responsibility.

"The game even shows the realistic gleefulness of a wife that got her way" uhhh, women happy equals bad? I dont really understand what you are trying to say with this.

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MC wearing the pants would include deciding the girlfriend limit. Wanting the girls to be well would mean hearing them out about their worries - but then making the decision himself.

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I think what MC did there is conceding a considerable amout of power, but the ultimate concession would be agreeing to monogamy with Vicky - so its not that bad. But as I said, it always starts with a small thing... and swoosh, you are Reginald.

 

[hameleona]

Dude, if you think wearing the pants is micromanaging shit you don't much care about... IDK what to tell you.
And yes, the MC states plainly he doesn't give much shit. Hell, if it wasn't for Lucy, there is a good chance he wouldn't even have a love life in the first weeks of the story - guy just wanted to cook. All of his harem was gotten by circumstances, he didn't really pursue any of the girls (he likes them a lot, but that's a completely separate thing). Why would he care about how many girlfriends would he have? Not to mention he stated it plainly in the update, for those who don't get it - the veto already gave them a limit, the whole conversation was just putting a number on it, mostly for Sarah's sake.

First rule for leadership being able to delegate important stuff to competent subordinates. He lets Sarah deal with the PR, because she is great at it. Vicky is clearly becoming the head wife, because she is the only one that actually has the skills, the brains and the personality for it. I imagine one of the girls will start doing the books not so far in the future. He's already left most of the Founding Family bullshit (you know that little thing that leads to people being destroyed) to someone else (Alison). And you are horrified by a sane idea?

Also Reginald was clearly not monogamous, but whatever.

 

[nonanonanon]

I decided to replay the game before going into the update, and I'm glad I did; not necessarily for the story recap, but just for getting to relive all the little character moments again. I will say that it made me notice that it feels like it's been a hot minute since there's been a minor "choice" in scenes. I know that it's a kinetic novel and all, but there were a couple little scene variations, like moving your hands to Lucy's butt while hugging, or giving Sarah extra spanks during her first punishment. It's not a big deal or anything, just something I noticed.

So, to the topic of the new girlfriend limit: I'm so here for it. Akatsuki alone has been draining my man dry since she moved in, and there's only so much room on the bed. It was even brought up later that Lucy and Victoria haven't had as much alone time, which I understand for the purposes of telling the stories of so many characters, but I want the current girlfriends to get some love even after the "novelty has worn off," for lack of a better, less misogynistic term. (I really can't think of another way to phrase it; I promise I'm not sexist, just a little dumb.)

With that limit in mind, I'm inclined to say Misaki is a better fit for a side-girl than a "proper" girlfriend. Admittedly, I'd probably consider her my least favorite (barring Rachel, who still needs more character development), but I really do think that her arc is better suited to being more of a fling. The entire relationship so far has felt like it's sort of built on spur-of-the-moment excitement, on Misaki wanting to add spontaneity to her life, and that kind of thing would work with ending on her leaving the harem by the story's end. Her whole motivation comes from not wanting to be shackled, so it seems odd if her character arc is her moving from controlling parents to a very dominant boyfriend/husband. I know that there's a difference, namely by it being her choice instead of thrust upon her, but my point stands — just imagine the display of character growth if she outright declines the MC's offer for a more "formal" relationship. Maybe it doesn't play into the intended power fantasy, but it'd be fascinating for story purposes.

 

[shitass1001]

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MC wearing the pants would include deciding the girlfriend limit. Wanting the girls to be well would mean hearing them out about their worries - but then making the decision himself.

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I think what MC did there is conceding a considerable amout of power, but the ultimate concession would be agreeing to monogamy with Vicky - so its not that bad. But as I said, it always starts with a small thing... and swoosh, you are Reginald.

ok, disregarding the fact that all your examples are related to extra marital affairs, Victoria didn't achieve a victory because they weren't in any sort of disagreement.

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I dont know what to tell you, we clearly have very different views of the world

Dude, if you think wearing the pants is micromanaging shit you don't much care about... IDK what to tell you.
And yes, the MC states plainly he doesn't give much shit. Hell, if it wasn't for Lucy, there is a good chance he wouldn't even have a love life in the first weeks of the story - guy just wanted to cook. All of his harem was gotten by circumstances, he didn't really pursue any of the girls (he likes them a lot, but that's a completely separate thing). Why would he care about how many girlfriends would he have? Not to mention he stated it plainly in the update, for those who don't get it - the veto already gave them a limit, the whole conversation was just putting a number on it, mostly for Sarah's sake.

First rule for leadership being able to delegate important stuff to competent subordinates. He lets Sarah deal with the PR, because she is great at it. Vicky is clearly becoming the head wife, because she is the only one that actually has the skills, the brains and the personality for it. I imagine one of the girls will start doing the books not so far in the future. He's already left most of the Founding Family bullshit (you know that little thing that leads to people being destroyed) to someone else (Alison). And you are horrified by a sane idea?

Also Reginald was clearly not monogamous, but whatever.

Took so long to write my reply you swoop in and say it better than I could

 

[MWPA78]

Dude, if you think wearing the pants is micromanaging shit you don't much care about... IDK what to tell you.

the veto already gave them a limit, the whole conversation was just putting a number on it

First rule for leadership being able to delegate important stuff to competent subordinates.

And you are horrified by a sane idea?

doesn't look like much a disagreement, in fact it looks like he doesn't care. he probably was thinking the same thing before Vicky said anything. Regardless, he agrees to her "demands"

It was HIS idea to let the girls come up with the limit, because he understands the value of trusting your loved ones with responsibility.

Thats the view most men have, and most men end up getting dominated by their wife as time passes.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There is really no reason not to say "I'll decide this myself."

 

[hameleona]

So, to the topic of the new girlfriend limit: I'm so here for it. Akatsuki alone has been draining my man dry since she moved in, and there's only so much room on the bed. It was even brought up later that Lucy and Victoria haven't had as much alone time, which I understand for the purposes of telling the stories of so many characters, but I want the current girlfriends to get some love even after the "novelty has worn off," for lack of a better, less misogynistic term. (I really can't think of another way to phrase it; I promise I'm not sexist, just a little dumb.)

It's a gameplay truth in a lot of bad harem games - you essentially go trough a bunch of monogamous relationships, with the occasional cross-event. Nothing misogynistic about it. And it's exactly, because there are players for whom that is the point - just banging as much chicks as possible in-game. Truth be told a lot of harem games also give them as much personality as blow-up dolls, so its a self-feeding circle. Like there are at least a couple of dudes in the thread complaining how the last update just had a single blowjob.

With that limit in mind, I'm inclined to say Misaki is a better fit for a side-girl than a "proper" girlfriend. Admittedly, I'd probably consider her my least favorite (barring Rachel, who still needs more character development), but I really do think that her arc is better suited to being more of a fling. The entire relationship so far has felt like it's sort of built on spur-of-the-moment excitement, on Misaki wanting to add spontaneity to her life, and that kind of thing would work with ending on her leaving the harem by the story's end. Her whole motivation comes from not wanting to be shackled, so it seems odd if her character arc is her moving from controlling parents to a very dominant boyfriend/husband. I know that there's a difference, namely by it being her choice instead of thrust upon her, but my point stands — just imagine the display of character growth on display if she outright declines the MC's offer for a more "formal" relationship. Maybe it doesn't play into the intended power fantasy, but it'd be fascinating for story purposes.

Well, Misaki is gonna be the wet nurse (and she does have the assets to be a literal wet nurse (I know that's not how this works)), clearly. She wanted to teach little kids, is calm and kind and way too concerned about her pupils - perfect for a daycare worker, tbh. All of the other girls have some form of ambition, hobby, etc, even Lucy wants to bake sweets and grow plants. Misaki is the ideal housewife - give her a bunch of kids to take care for, screw her brains out now and then and she is happy.
I'm only half-joking, btw, I do think she'll fill that role, but I also think we will come to know Misaki... when Misaki comes to know herself.

 

[Natsu7Drag]

sorry for commenting but in the scene where Viktora and Lucy are learning to be waitresses, and the scene where Viktria is taking off the shorts she says the phrase "uhm, sory. i really am trying" and it shouldn't be "uhm, sory. i am really trying". I may be wrong because I'm weak in English, because it's not my native language

 

[MWPA78]

I want the current girlfriends to get some love even after the "novelty has worn off," for lack of a better, less misogynistic term. (I really can't think of another way to phrase it; I promise I'm not sexist, just a little dumb.)

"Its ok to be white... *cough* ...sexist."

 

[MWPA78]

sorry for commenting but in the scene where Viktora and Lucy are learning to be waitresses, and the scene where Viktria is taking off the shorts she says the phrase "uhm, sory. i really am trying" and it shouldn't be "uhm, sory. i am really trying". I may be wrong because I'm weak in English, because it's not my native language

Both is fine in english.

 

[shitass1001]

sorry for commenting but in the scene where Viktora and Lucy are learning to be waitresses, and the scene where Viktria is taking off the shorts she says the phrase "uhm, sory. i really am trying" and it shouldn't be "uhm, sory. i am really trying". I may be wrong because I'm weak in English, because it's not my native language

Both work, but part of writing dialogue is also choosing when to write improperly, not every character is gonna have perfect grammar

 

[shitass1001]

Well, Misaki is gonna be the wet nurse (and she does have the assets to be a literal wet nurse (I know that's not how this works)), clearly. She wanted to teach little kids, is calm and kind and way too concerned about her pupils - perfect for a daycare worker, tbh. All of the other girls have some form of ambition, hobby, etc, even Lucy wants to bake sweets and grow plants. Misaki is the ideal housewife - give her a bunch of kids to take care for, screw her brains out now and then and she is happy.
I'm only half-joking, btw, I do think she'll fill that role, but I also think we will come to know Misaki... when Misaki comes to know herself.

I never thought of Misaki in this way, but it totally makes sense, especially with the recent reveal that she wanted to be a preschool teacher.
"but I also think we will come to know Misaki... when Misaki comes to know herself." well said

 

[nonanonanon]

Thats the view most men have, and most men end up getting dominated by their wife as time passes.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There is really no reason not to say "I'll decide this myself."

With all due respect, what the hell are you on about? Because it really feels like you just hate all parties in a relationship having an equal say in the state of said relationship. The reason not to say "I'll decide this myself" is being a decent person who cares about the input of your significant other(s) and respects the boundaries they have relating to their romantic relationship. There's a difference between being the "dominant" one in a relationship and being an overly-controlling partner. You talk about "women" and "wives" consistently acting a certain way that needs to be curbed by their partner as if they aren't whole-ass people with their own desires, just the same as men?

So the gleefulness of victoria is the gleefulness of victory over the husband in the power struggle that happens in every relationship (under the surface). Similar to how a man would be gleeful if he got his wife to agree to having a concubine for example. Gleefulness of victory.

It's ok to make a girl uneasy. If you try to satisfy her need for safety completely she will get bored by you.

Romance can never be perfect and always has problems, as the male interest and the female interest go against each other (man would like polygamy - woman would like full control over husband plus option to meet other men from time to time). There is always a bit of a power struggle going on.

Stuff like this; a relationship isn't something to be "won." That's not healthy. It's about cooperation, about wanting your partner(s) to be comfortable and successful in what they want to achieve, and trusting that they want the same for you. It's not being a "beta male" to want the person (or people) you love to be happy; that's just being a considerate person. I'm sorry if you've had bad experiences with previous relationships, but I promise you that that's not a standard, healthy relationship. Not all men want polygamy. Not all women are obsessed with control. You can't attach those kinds of desires to entire genders.

 

[Cosy Creator]

I think a point being missed about the limit here, too, is that the MC named the 8 girls that he wanted the limit to include - at this point he's happy with 8 (I know, only eight?), and doesn't have specific intentions to go over that number, so it's not like he was giving anything away with a limit that he doesn't plan on exceeding anyway. So in that case, if a limit that he's happy with is going to make the girls he loves happy and more secure, why on earth would he not do that? Just to play power games with them? That's really not his style at all, and if it was, I don't think the girls would be as happy to be submissive towards him as they are. The reason they can trust him to make decisions is because they know he's going to consider them and not just himself when he does.

 

[Konrad Simon]

Both is fine in english.

Both ARE fine. (Sorry, couldn't resist).

 

[Konrad Simon]

What is interesting to me in the discussion about whether MC sets the limit or lets the girl's choose, is the differences in "what it means to be a dom." Just how much power should the dominant have? After 40+ years in the BDSM community (holy crap I'm old!) I'm pretty confident the answer is: exactly as much or as little as those involved want. I've seen everything from compete 24/7 slavery with the slave having no agency, all the way to "we're vanilla except in the bedroom," and I've seen all of them work, and all of them fail.

In real life, there is no question in my mind that the most destructive thing to any romantic relationship, especially one based on d/s, is going in with preconceptions one hasn't thought through--"This is what it means to be dominant, so I must always be like this." God knows I've fucked up by making that mistake. Obviously, this isn't real life; but the fact MC has thought through what domination means to him relative to each girl, helps us (to me) sympathize with his choices.

My own fantasies are of stricter control, harsher punishments, and non-con. But it takes a hell of a lot of suspension of disbelief for relationships like that to end up happily ever after. In this game, I believe in the love and happiness without effort.

Hell, the least realistic part of the game is how mature the MC is for being 18, and I am quite fine with that lack of realism. It's a big part of what makes the whole thing so, well, cozy.

 

[TBone9]

Women, after landing a top tier husband, often show the tendency of wanting to gain some sort of control over him, so they can feel safe in knowing he can't dump her for another/younger/hotter female in the future - a behaviour often starting with trying to get little concessions of him ("please use condom when sleeping with other girls") that slowly become more ("please always tell me if you have an affair") and more ("I dont want you to have other women anymore") until the relationship power dynamic has totally shifted towards her ("no, I don't feel like having sex with you tonight"). A thing you see in most marriages happening. With other things of course.

Wait... how many marriages do you actually think start with the wife saying, "please use condom when sleeping with other girls"? Not saying it doesn't ever happen, just that it is so far off of a typical marriage that it is laughable.

Also, I think that the amount of domination that a man applies is ideally proportional to how unreasonable his wife/girlfriend is (unless, of course, she is just totally into that sort of thing). None of these girls shows any sign of trying to get over on him. Besides, he has the perfect leverage if someone did try that--Just say, "Oh no, you're going to hold out on me unless I put you above the others? Whatever will I do? Guess I'm stuck spending more time with my half-dozen other girlfriends, who all love me unconditionally, without playing any power games."

 

[MWPA78]

I think a point being missed about the limit here, too, is that the MC named the 8 girls that he wanted the limit to include - at this point he's happy with 8 (I know, only eight?), and doesn't have specific intentions to go over that number, so it's not like he was giving anything away with a limit that he doesn't plan on exceeding anyway. So in that case, if a limit that he's happy with is going to make the girls he loves happy and more secure, why on earth would he not do that? Just to play power games with them? That's really not his style at all, and if it was, I don't think the girls would be as happy to be submissive towards him as they are. The reason they can trust him to make decisions is because they know he's going to consider them and not just himself when he does.

Just feels bad to hear him say "you can decide however you want" about something that concerns him the most. Hearing them out and considering their worries would be the way to go imo. Maybe he will meet the love of his life and its #11. Better would have kept the reigns for himself.

But with plot armour I'm not too worried about such tragedies.

Sincere thanks for the game. Its my favorite.

 

[MWPA78]

With all due respect, what the hell are you on about? Because it really feels like you just hate all parties in a relationship having an equal say in the state of said relationship. The reason not to say "I'll decide this myself" is being a decent person who cares about the input of your significant other(s) and respects the boundaries they have relating to their romantic relationship. There's a difference between being the "dominant" one in a relationship and being an overly-controlling partner. You talk about "women" and "wives" consistently acting a certain way that needs to be curbed by their partner as if they aren't whole-ass people with their own desires, just the same as men?

Stuff like this; a relationship isn't something to be "won." That's not healthy. It's about cooperation, about wanting your partner(s) to be comfortable and successful in what they want to achieve, and trusting that they want the same for you. It's not being a "beta male" to want the person (or people) you love to be happy; that's just being a considerate person. I'm sorry if you've had bad experiences with previous relationships, but I promise you that that's not a standard, healthy relationship. Not all men want polygamy. Not all women are obsessed with control. You can't attach those kinds of desires to entire genders.

Yes, you don't want the girl to have equal say. Control is good. You can use it for good.

There are always power struggles below the surface, and if you think there aren't because true love, she'll have you watch from the cuck chair rather sooner than later.



You want her to be happy, but you also want yourself to be happy. So you don't concede power. You keep power and act in a benevolent manner to keep the relationship wholesome for both of you.

(The picture is just for the giggles. I'm not calling you a cuck.)

 

[BViking]

Maybe he will meet the love of his life.

He already did, and her name is Lucy thank you very much.

 

[mordred93]

Also with some basic math I thick we are going to get a contest of sorts for 10th Gf or the council might expand it. Since Vicky was the only one really for it. The FF Girls are used to that kind of dynamic so the more added the more votes for other stuff.
With the four we have now. Catherine, Hannah, Alison, and Misaka, being 5-8. We don't really have a guaranteed 9 and 10.
Because Elizabeth, Akari, and Rachel make 11. And then we have the side characters that have a chance of getting in with Samantha the groupie and Anabelle the Klutz. Making 12 and 13. And this is with no idea of what other characyers are going to be added. I have a prediction. If we we stick with 10 then when we finally beat Akari we get her just added. Or maybe the limit pushed back to 15.

If you really want to know the answer to this ... check out an old post. Massive spoilers: https://f95zone.to/threads/cosy-cafe-v0-12-cosy-creator.143711/post-16250848