VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.13.1 EA] [Cosy Creator]

[Negan22]

Rachel:

• Repeatedly falsely accuses the MC of being a rapist and sexual abuser.
• Repeatedly tries to get him in serious trouble with the school for minor infractions.
• Physically attacks him (admittedly harmlessly) because she misinterpreted something he said in the most ridiculous way possible.
• Spends his entire first month at school harassing him.
• Takes that harassment almost to the level of being a stalker, when she:
• Breaks into his office, eavesdrops on an intimate, private conversation between the MC and Hannah
• Then takes a voyeuristic photograph of Hannah half naked, one that could be very personally damaging to her and the MC if it found its way to Brian and the Russells.
• Admits clearly that she's doing all of this with the intention of getting him expelled.

MC:

• Finally calls her out on the above behaviour after a month of letting it slide.

I don't normally try to impose my own interpretation of the story on people, because I think that everyone has the right to take it how they want. But how anyone can paint Rachel as the victim in this truly baffles me.

Seems like rachel needs to be love bombed after she realizes her mistake (what she did seems like a mistake born out of a misunderstanding and not deliberate attempt at defaming MC).

 

[AI_Game]

Accusations of rape or sexual assault can carry more consequences for the person accused than simply expulsion from school or college. They can result in prison time, a permanent criminal record and registry to a sex offender list. When the MC has powerful people (other Founding Families) also out to get him it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility it could escalate to that if Rachel got her way. They're influential and if Rachel brought even flimsy accusations to their attention they could weaponize them, manufacture "witnesses" and try to have the MC incarcerated if they wanted to. That is far more serious than simple comic relief. Comic relief would be if Rachel was annoying but harmless, what she does is NOT harmless. It would also require Rachel to be funny, which she isn't, in the slightest.

And as far as matters of perspective go, of course. Even the most cartoonish villain who wants to destroy the world for example thinks they're doing the right thing and that the world deserves to be destroyed for one reason or another. Does that make the person who wants to kill everyone right? Because from their own perspective they think they are? Just because Rachel believes she is right doesn't mean that she actually is. Clearly she is not if you pay any attention whatsoever to this story.

No one is trying to prove that Rachel did the right thing! I am trying to prove that MC's behavior towards Rachel is not consistent with the intelligence and kind, protective personality he usually shows, but rather it shows coldness and hatred, lack of tolerance and can lead to really bad consequences! Especially after Rachel disappeared, he even didn't think anything bad could happen to Rachel. That shows he lacks human psychological awareness or worse he may be hater, insensitive or cruel.The way he treats girls who submit to him is completely different from the way he treats those who don't submit, even if they are weak and lonely girls.

 

[Sekiryuuten]

I don't know which country you guys are from, but in mine, just this:

• Repeatedly falsely accuses the MC of being a rapist and sexual abuser.

If the MC were to go to jail because he was falsely incriminated as a rapist, the best thing that could happen to him would be to die... So Rachel is kind of irredeemable for that (at least for me) — so much so that I'm genuinely curious about what kind of magic Cosy is cooking up to make her bearable.

You guys do understand that with these accusations, she’s basically trying to kill him, right? If not physically, then at least spiritually — because if he were to go to jail, he could kiss his dream of becoming a chef and owning a restaurant goodbye.

 

[AI_Game]

I don't know which country you guys are from, but in mine, just this:


If the MC were to go to jail because he was falsely incriminated as a rapist, the best thing that could happen to him would be to die... So Rachel is kind of irredeemable for that (at least for me) — so much so that I'm genuinely curious about what kind of magic Cosy is cooking up to make her bearable.

You guys do understand that with these accusations, she’s basically trying to kill him, right? If not physically, then at least spiritually — because if he were to go to jail, he could kiss his dream of becoming a chef and owning a restaurant goodbye.

I don't know which country Rachel and MC are living in, but I believe that where they live, the law is fair enough and there is a thorough investigation to minimize wrongful convictions, not in a country where someone can kill someone so easily by slandering them! That's why Rachel is willing to dare to speak up even if it's just a suspicion because she's afraid that if she stays silent, it could really happen and happen to many other people! And she's also doing everything to investigate and collect evidence because she wants to protect the girls she thinks are victims, not because she wants to kill MC ^^! And what happens when dozens of girls with different personalities, classes, and styles, even though they hate each other, suddenly change completely, play together and swarm around MC like flies?! That is too suspicious and should be investigated ^^!

 

[Cosy Creator]

I don't know which country Rachel and MC are living in, but I believe that where they live, the law is fair enough and there is a thorough investigation to minimize wrongful convictions, not in a country where someone can kill someone so easily by slandering them! That's why Rachel is willing to dare to speak up even if it's just a suspicion because she's afraid that if she stays silent, it could really happen and happen to many other people! And she's also doing everything to investigate and collect evidence because she wants to protect the girls she thinks are victims, not because she wants to kill MC ^^! And what happens when dozens of girls with different personalities, classes, and styles, even though they hate each other, suddenly change completely, play together and swarm around MC like flies?! That is too suspicious and should be investigated ^^!

I don't mean this to be insulting or anything, I really meant what I said earlier about people having their own interpretations! But with that said... I think the fact that you're willing to defend her falsely accusing him of being a rapist, even seeming to believe that it isn't a big deal because the legal system exists, while also believing that the MC telling her off for it is a huge problem, is pretty twisted!

 

[FRVN]

I don't know which country you guys are from, but in mine, just this:


If the MC were to go to jail because he was falsely incriminated as a rapist, the best thing that could happen to him would be to die... So Rachel is kind of irredeemable for that (at least for me) — so much so that I'm genuinely curious about what kind of magic Cosy is cooking up to make her bearable.

You guys do understand that with these accusations, she’s basically trying to kill him, right? If not physically, then at least spiritually — because if he were to go to jail, he could kiss his dream of becoming a chef and owning a restaurant goodbye.

Forgive me if I'm misremembering something, but from what I remember, she was not intentionally lying; she genuinely believed that he was harassing/assaulting these girls. She was not "trying to kill him" (I don't know where you are from, but in the U.S. rape isn't a death sentence nor would death be preferable); she was seeking justice (even though we know she was wrong). She's just a misguided kid who needs to be sat down and talked to and told the gravity of her actions.

That being said, I don't like Rachel, but I do think the MC went too far.

 

[jadepaladin]

When did Rachel make a F95 account?

This is how Skynet starts.

 

[QQP_Purple]

I don't know which country Rachel and MC are living in, but I believe that where they live, the law is fair enough and there is a thorough investigation to minimize wrongful convictions, not in a country where someone can kill someone so easily by slandering them! That's why Rachel is willing to dare to speak up even if it's just a suspicion because she's afraid that if she stays silent, it could really happen and happen to many other people! And she's also doing everything to investigate and collect evidence because she wants to protect the girls she thinks are victims, not because she wants to kill MC ^^! And what happens when dozens of girls with different personalities, classes, and styles, even though they hate each other, suddenly change completely, play together and swarm around MC like flies?! That is too suspicious and should be investigated ^^!

Honestly I do not think she thinks that far ahead nor cares. She is the kind of person who sees what she wants to see. And for people like that the idea that they might be wrong is not something they openly reject as much as something that just does not come up. And if anyone disagrees with her being right than clearly they must either be stupid, have an agenda or both.

It does not matter to her if the system is just or not or what happens to innocents she helps convict because to her they can't possibly be innocent. That is why we see her slowly breaking down as the story progresses and she is forced to time and again confront the reality that contradicts her beliefs.

 

[Daermon420]

I think the fact that you're willing to defend her falsely accusing him of being a rapist, even seeming to believe that it isn't a big deal because the legal system exists, while also believing that the MC telling her off for it is a huge problem, is pretty twisted!

Honestly the MC has had the patience of a saint. After her theft, trespassing and covertly taking photos of him and Hannah I wouldn't have just told her off. I would have called the police, had her arrested and filed a restraining order against the crazy woman.

 

[HiHaHo]

I don't mean this to be insulting or anything, I really meant what I said earlier about people having their own interpretations! But with that said... I think the fact that you're willing to defend her falsely accusing him of being a rapist, even seeming to believe that it isn't a big deal because the legal system exists, while also believing that the MC telling her off for it is a huge problem, is pretty twisted!

yeah,there have been many cases where false accusations have led to people losing their jobs and/or relationships,in some cases that has led to more extreme things like suicide & murder.

 

[Negan22]

I don't mean this to be insulting or anything, I really meant what I said earlier about people having their own interpretations! But with that said... I think the fact that you're willing to defend her falsely accusing him of being a rapist, even seeming to believe that it isn't a big deal because the legal system exists, while also believing that the MC telling her off for it is a huge problem, is pretty twisted!

Justice for Rachel!


MC needs to find her and talk some sense into her politely so that he can take care her traumatic self and love her, for that is what she needs not more harsh words.

 

[QQP_Purple]

Justice for Rachel!

MC needs to find her and talk some sense into her politely so that he can take care her traumatic self and love her, for that is what she needs not more harsh words.

I disagree. The MC and the world in general have given her plenty of cold hard proof already that she is wrong. The onus now is on her.

The reality is that she is not evil. She is doing what she does with good intentions. It's just that her world view is so beyond fucked up. And she needs to wake up and smell reality. If she is willing to do that. If she can get over her pride and change her world view. Than she can be redeemed. And only than does she deserve that redemption.

But this is a step she needs to take on her own. And nobody can do that for her.

 

[Daermon420]

yeah,there have been many cases where false accusations have led to people losing their jobs and/or relationships,in some cases that has led to more extreme things like suicide & murder.

Yes, exactly. Even if the person accused is acquitted in court often people will assume they were guilty and got away with it. It can have nasty consequences both socially and financially.

And there's always the chance that even being totally innocent the person accused can be found guilty. Add to the fact that the MC has potential enemies in the other Founding Families who we know have influence over Judges and the police, things could get very nasty for him if Rachels accusations ever went to court. The justice system isn't perfect.

 

[Havik79]

Rachel is the type of girl who rages out over guys liking Saba, she needs to be in a Mortal Komabt stage fatality.

 

[QQP_Purple]

Yes, exactly. Even if the person accused is acquitted in court often people will assume they were guilty and got away with it. It can have nasty consequences both socially and financially.

And there's always the chance that even being totally innocent the person accused can be found guilty. Add to the fact that the MC has potential enemies in the other Founding Families who we know have influence over Judges and the police, things could get very nasty for him if Rachels accusations ever went to court. The justice system isn't perfect.

And even if it was, what of it? What she is doing is wrong regardless of if anyone gets factually hurt by it.

If you permit the metaphor, just because bullet proof vests work and everyone has one does not make it any less wrong to walk around the street shooting at people.

And again, I am absolutely not against her attaining redemption. But she has to earn it. And that involves coming to an understanding of just how wrong she is and how much harm she caused. The MC can't just cure her of her evil by patting her head so many times and than all is forgiven.

 

[Ahlysaaria]

Honestly, reading this discussion about Rachel makes me question my sanity.

I'm perfectly fine discussing Rachel's redeemability, arguing things from her side etc. But actively excusing all her actions as "Not so bad, she's just lonely and shy and stupid" while blaming the MC for being to harsh and cruel and unfair... that is totally crazy to me. Rachel has been a complete crazy, idiotic bitch while MC has been trying to ignore her antics as best as he could until he finally snapped - and everything he said there was totally justified. And no offense, but if the argument is "That could drive someone into suicide", then sorry, thats not MC's fault. He is not a doctor or psychologist. He is just a normal dude, trying to live his life, who tried to avoid Rachel as best as he could - he has zero, absolutely zero, obligation to "fix her" or "help her". And it's not like he told her to kill herself. He told her that she has been a giant bitch, that tried to ruin his life and that he just wants her to fuck off and leave him alone.

I know she will still be part of the story, and I'm somewhat curious about how everything will play out with her, but if Rachel, right now, dissapeared and never came back - that would be totally fine with me too.

Again, sorry, but such a crazy discussion to me.

 

[QQP_Purple]

I know she will still be part of the story, and I'm somewhat curious about how everything will play out with her, but if Rachel, right now, dissapeared and never came back - that would be totally fine with me too.

Again, sorry, but such a crazy discussion to me.

Yea, I generally agree. As readers of this story we have a birds eye view of the situation. And thus we see the world from a much different perspective than the characters do. And this leads us to having a degree of sympathy for her and wishing to see her redeemed and healed.

But that is not what the in game characters are experiencing. From their point of view she is just mean and hateful and that's all there is to it.

To be perfectly honest, if I was put in the place of the MC and I heard my words specifically lead to her killing her self (like, I literally read it in her suicide not or something) I would genuinely not be troubled by it. Than again I've seen worse in my days so I may not be a representative sample.

 

[LordDoh]

Good god. Did someone shine a White Knight bat signal into the sky? Is there an alternative to 1st April I'm not aware of? I hope these are sock puppets or even skynet taking over, because holy crap.

"Why aren't you taking emotional care of a terrible, obnoxious, rude person who keeps abusing her authority to make you and everyone around you miserable, trying to ruin your life and openly admitting it? It's because of your hurt ego, you bitter, rage fueled bigot." Fucks sake.

 

[Konrad Simon]

I'm more than half convinced that, as someone said before, this is trolling. But, if so, I have to admit it is at least creative trolling.

 

[QQP_Purple]

I'm more than half convinced that, as someone said before, this is trolling. But, if so, I have to admit it is at least creative trolling.

Personally I think it's two things. Firstly, there is the point of view thing I explained already. And secondly there is a fear that if too many people here hate on Rachel enough the dev will drop her which leads to him overcompensating.

And it is somewhat understandable. I mean, as a reader I too feel a degree of desire to see her redeemed even if in real life I would have used her real crimes in combination with the power of a founding family leader to absolutely make her regret the day she thought she could take me on. Like, I would not even drive he to suicide. I would drive her to wish she could suicide but not daring because of the consequences to her self and those (if any) she cares about if she tried.

But this is a game, and we have a different perspective so also a different approach. We see her as the human she is and not the enemy that she acts as.