VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.13.1 EA] [Cosy Creator]

[hameleona]

It's not what MC can do with his power to make her life hell, it's about MC using his power to make her a better person.

And why the fuck should the MC ever want to help her? Because she has a pussy? Enough with the white-knighting already. Everybody else he has helped has demonstrated good personal qualities from the moment they interacted or at least was willing to listen. Rachel saw him and screamed "Rapist". She has done nothing to deserve help.

Also comparing Rachel with terrorists right after saying MC can use his gang to influence her punishment is kinda diabolical.

Rachel is a devout follower of an ideology that clearly separates people by born-in characteristics, actively targets the MC because of said characteristic, breaks numerous laws trying to harm him and his reputation, when he has done exactly nothing to provoke it. Yeah, terrorists and shitstains like the KKK are the closest to her.
Also the only thing they had to do to influence her punishment is follow the fucking law!
Instead he told her the truth. The horror!!!

Man, talk about pussy pass...

 

[Negan22]

Because she has a pussy?

and like any other porn game, yes, pussy is the only thing that matters,

 

[HiHaHo]

in all fairness rachel can't really do much with her ranting (any more)
She's the embodiment off "the boy who cried wolf"
ranting and accusing so much all the time has resulted in nobody believing or trusting her on those things.

and in the process off doing so she isolated herself socially ,she's in the same spot as lucy was at the start having no friends or social group,actually she's seems worse off because lucy had Sarah and on occasion hannah.

i'll keep saying that we should trust Cosy his writing ,he's already proved with cathrine that he can make a disliked character a decent LI ,even though more people dislike rachel more then cathrine and more intensely.

i don't think she's a unfit or unworthy LI,especially if you can integrate the dislike aspect into their relationship, like turning her into a slave girl/pet in a less roleplay manner like with vicky & akutski but in a more powerplay thing.

anyway Cosy Creator keep doing things how you want to,i'm sure that even after doing her redemption arc some people will complain and disagree about how things went.
you won't be able to please everyone

 

[jadepaladin]

Meanwhile, I barely give any fucks about Rachel. I'm way more interested in personal dishwasher princess Catherine.

 

[LordDoh]

This is the weirdest derail I have seen in a while.

Well, at least Cosy can take comfort from the fact that people care about his characters. He'll just have to avoid trying to understand some posts so as to not lose IQ points, but still.

Meanwhile, I barely give any fucks about Rachel. I'm way more interested in personal dishwasher princess Catherine.

Agreed. Sarah was my fav for a while, but Cat has grown a lot on me in the last update.

I still can't quite figure out how Cat and Hannah are both supposed to join the group, though. It'd effectively be "whoever becomes GF first gets to ensure the other will never come a GF". Well, then again Cat seems to both be catching a lot of feelings and mellowing out, so who knows.

 

[QQP_Purple]

I think we shouldn't argue on this if this is your view on people like her in real life.

Yea, we better not. Like, I won't sugarcoat it. Some stuff leaves a mark on ones soul. Here is to hoping you newer learn that lesson first hand. Suffice to say there is a reason I like playing wholesome romance VNs at my age.

 

[Meiri]

I don't really mind Rachel, initially she serves as a comedic character with probably a tragic past that has made her what she is today.

She hasn't even done that badly and even have failed many times, I am sure any of the founding families have done worse things than her, I understand she can be annoying, but she is not irredeemable.

Some of the opinions saying she deserves jail I think you are taking her way too seriously, like if we apply real life logic even our MC would be in prison, Rachel has failed to do any significant damage or blackmail to anyone.

 

[jadepaladin]

I don't really mind Rachel, initially she serves as a comedic character with probably a tragic past that has made her what she is today.

She hasn't even done that badly and even have failed many times, I am sure any of the founding families have done worse things than her, I understand she can be annoying, but she is not irredeemable.

Some of the opinions saying she deserves jail I think you are taking her way too seriously, like if we apply real life logic even our MC would be in prison, Rachel has failed to do any significant damage or blackmail to anyone.

Call in a health inspector right as he finishes up with one of the girls in the kitchen.

 

[Ultimecea]

Rachel:

• Repeatedly falsely accuses the MC of being a rapist and sexual abuser.
• Repeatedly tries to get him in serious trouble with the school for minor infractions.
• Physically attacks him (admittedly harmlessly) because she misinterpreted something he said in the most ridiculous way possible.
• Spends his entire first month at school harassing him.
• Takes that harassment almost to the level of being a stalker, when she:
• Breaks into his office, eavesdrops on an intimate, private conversation between the MC and Hannah
• Then takes a voyeuristic photograph of Hannah half naked, one that could be very personally damaging to her and the MC if it found its way to Brian and the Russells.
• Admits clearly that she's doing all of this with the intention of getting him expelled.

MC:

• Finally calls her out on the above behaviour after a month of letting it slide.

I don't normally try to impose my own interpretation of the story on people, because I think that everyone has the right to take it how they want. But how anyone can paint Rachel as the victim in this truly baffles me.

this is what's wrong in this world
especially these BETA CUCKS who knows nothing but to submit to any woman they deemed dominant

Nope, don't worry, she won't be dropped! Ironically enough given the side I've taken in this particular discussion, I've spent the last few years arguing with people that do want me to drop her because I'm of the belief that she is actually redeemable, despite her horrible behaviour so far.

Lol...
Rachel is established that she's a pet
that way, no one gonna view her as a human
so others will start to sympathized and have empathy for her
I am looking forward for Rachel arc, just to see her go down on her knees or maybe all 4 for redemption

 

[himesama123]

At first I really didn't like Rachel but after a number of rereads I've sort of warmed up to her, I'm excited to see how we'll deal with her from now on.

 

[Juerhullycin]

but I believe that where they live, the law is fair enough

 

[Beduin123]

Anyway, with all Rachel love/hated discussion, coming back to a possible new waitress I would vouch for Catherine moving up the carrier path. She would fit well and it would create more dynamic and interesting environment for her final peace and love with Hannah

 

[AI_Game]

The character Rachel with all she does only shows that she is a naive, stupid, stubborn girl... you can synthesize more concepts from your perspective but if you call her evil or Cruel, that is the evil way of thinking towards a small, weak, lonely girl, who despite being shunned and hated, is still willing to try to investigate and collect evidence for a case that she believes is and will harm many other girls!
She was just trying to do everything she could to stop what she thought was a bad thing and tried to investigate herself, gather evidence to find out the truth! In the end, she accepted her punishment and willingly bowed her head to receive it!
A big, talented guy whose ego was seriously hurt because he was falsely accused by a small, lonely girl, a smart, experienced guy but unable to defend himself, unable to understand and lack compassion to the point of hating a tiny, lonely girl like that? Is he also not aware enough to understand that eccentric, lonely people like Rachel are more susceptible to psychological trauma leading to negative actions than many normal people? Or is MC simply a mentally ill person, weak and vulnerable to the point of losing control?

Does anyone here know that besides the proactive and lustful girls, there are many girls out there with different personalities that can bring about colorful love affairs? Rachel is one of those girls and one of those diverse shades, a different girl and more difficult to conquer, a girl who makes men have to be stronger and smarter instead of everything being easy like a guy with a cream cake that makes female flies automatically come to lick and suck, so boring.
But this MC instead of many ways to conquer her, just got angry, destroyed her like destroying a hostile man! Men don't need to destroy women and also have many interesting ways to conquer or even retaliate, punish girls! This MC doesn't even have any feelings for Rachel's pretty appearance, this is strange for a porn game, especially with the Harem tag and role-playing narrative... instead of conquering, we have to hate and destroy a pretty girl???

I wish Cosy Cafe didn't narrate in gameplay by using the word "you" when referring to the MC or giving players options to interact in the game, it would be more suitable for this way of narration and player can choice what to do with Rachel!

 

[Wagwan1891]

The character Rachel with all she does only shows that she is a naive, stupid, stubborn girl...

Looks like you two have a lot in common and I'm guessing that's why she resonates so much with you.

You've said your piece (multiple times) just move on already.

 

[pknight7]

It's horrible for a young girl to be alone, hated, and even when she takes off her pants and stands in front of a man, he's too busy showing off his ego then throwing her away instead of touching her! That's even more serious than MC taking revenge by punishing her with the very thing she falsely accused him of, which was raping her.

But I think the rules that Rachel put forth at the beginning of the game were not her own thoughts, but the rules that Dev wanted to let players know that they would not exist in this game ^^ Maybe that was also the main factor that led to the event we are discussing.
Right from the beginning of the game, I believed that Devs used Rachel as a narrator, giving instructions to the player! So don't hate Rachel, hate Dev ^^

 

[AI_Game]

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Oh it seems like only you realized that was a sarcastic remark, it's nice to see someone laugh at it

 

[AI_Game]

It's horrible for a young girl to be alone, hated, and even when she takes off her pants and stands in front of a man, he's too busy showing off his ego then throwing her away instead of touching her! That's even more serious than MC taking revenge by punishing her with the very thing she falsely accused him of, which was raping her.

But I think the rules that Rachel put forth at the beginning of the game were not her own thoughts, but the rules that Dev wanted to let players know that they would not exist in this game ^^ Maybe that was also the main factor that led to the event we are discussing.
Right from the beginning of the game, I believed that Devs used Rachel as a narrator, giving instructions to the player! So don't hate Rachel, hate Dev ^^

Exacly!
Now not only was she completely alone, discriminated against and hated, but she also felt that even her body, her feminine charm were all gone when an omnivore like MC didn't even care even while her pants were being taken off! MC was only busy burying and humiliating her spirit, not wanting her to understand the truth that how all the other girls, who used to be against each other, were now all suddenly kneeling obediently before MC! He had many ways or still used the only way he always used with other girls, but he didn't do it! It was obvious that there was discrimination and hatred from the very beginning and he didn't want to give Rachel the chance to see the truth
The serious thing is that very few people think that it can lead to serious consequences and are just busy showing hatred and destroying the character Rachel! Even a pretty female character in a porn game is hated so much by men who search for porn games...so the reality in real life is extremely harsh.

 

[justlooking2]

Exacly!
Now not only was she completely alone, discriminated against and hated, but she also felt that even her body, her feminine charm were all gone when an omnivore like MC didn't even care even while her pants were being taken off! MC was only busy burying and humiliating her spirit, not wanting her to understand the truth that how all the other girls, who used to be against each other, were now all suddenly kneeling obediently before MC! He had many ways or still used the only way he always used with other girls, but he didn't do it! It was obvious that there was discrimination and hatred from the very beginning and he didn't want to give Rachel the chance to see the truth
The serious thing is that very few people think that it can lead to serious consequences and are just busy showing hatred and destroying the character Rachel! Even a pretty female character in a porn game is hated so much by men who search for porn games...so the reality in real life is extremely harsh.

Hence, a very efficient punishment.

 

[AI_Game]

Hence, a very efficient punishment.

which can actually lead to suicide

 

[briansanders]

Didn't even notice this during my first playthrough. Have seen people read books upside down but my man is using his phone upside down