maaaaaaaan this game was leagues better than WR
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Wasn't WR supposed to end this year or with the next 2 updates?
If yes maybe he can focus on CoD after that
If yes maybe he can focus on CoD after that
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The idea of giving the game a second chance is appealing, but it seems that the developer has already made up his mind.
Originally, he had indeed planned to stop working on Wicked Rouge soon, but economic realities and the sentiments shared by many supporters on Patreon led him to abandon Crown of Desire. Instead, he decided to devote himself entirely to Wicked Rouge, thus prolonging its development for some time.
To understand why Crown of Desire has come to a halt, several factors need to be considered. Firstly, the game's Discord chat room was removed, as, according to fidless, there was no activity. Additionally, the game's reception on Itch.io was largely negative, with fiddless referring to it as having "bombed" on that platform. Overall, reactions to the game on Itch.io have been somewhat limited.
Exploring Wicked Rouge's thread on F95, its Discord chat room, and no doubt the comments on Patreon reveals that many players prefer the developer to focus on WR rather than work on another project in parallel. Some are even pleased to see Crown of Desire come to an end, likely because they were frustrated to see the developer devoting time to another game while they have been supporting a project in development for quite a long time.
Given that it is mainly Wicked Rouge that attracts new subscribers and drives the developer's Patreon, this decision seems pragmatic. The developer also takes time in his responses to explain the reasons behind his choice. Financially, CoD is costly to develop and far less profitable than Wicked Rouge. Furthermore, it benefits from very limited support and insufficient visibility, reinforcing his decision to concentrate on WR.
It’s important to consider that the supporter community on Patreon (single for both games) is relatively small, especially compared to that of major successful games. (see Graphtreon stats)
Also, the developer is working on these projects during their free time, which makes it challenging to manage two games simultaneously, particularly when one of them is receiving a very little interest.
In my opinion, CoD was launched at an inopportune moment, meeting with a tepid reception and reactions that were, at best, mixed, if not generally negative. At least, that's the impression I get from all this.
We'll have to wait and see if supporters and the developer will give CoD a second chance after the end of WR's development, although it seems highly unlikely (too little support), but for now fidless has given answers that suggest its decision to stop Crown of Desire is final.
You are of course free to approach the dev by private message here or directly on his discord to find out for yourself. For my part, I've only collected the answers he gave me on discord.
But otherwise, it's very sad indeed that CoD production has come to an abrupt stop so soon after its launch. I myself was looking forward to the game's future and was captivated by its storyline and atmosphere. When I heard the bad news on discord, I was very sad and disappointed that the game had suffered this fate.
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COD never had a chance there was not enough of a game there to make a judgement on and nobody is going to support an unknown game. Yes COD was better than WR as unlike WR it actually had a real story to it. He should just put the game on hold an rekindle it later when he is able to instead of just abandoning the game.
I prefer how support works with the developer for Sinner's Landing, Paradise Lust, and Paradise Lust 2.. You pay initial $20 on first month you get full access to all 3 games. Than reduce down to say $3/month to help keep supporting development if developers starting to pick that up more they will get more subscribers.
I prefer how support works with the developer for Sinner's Landing, Paradise Lust, and Paradise Lust 2.. You pay initial $20 on first month you get full access to all 3 games. Than reduce down to say $3/month to help keep supporting development if developers starting to pick that up more they will get more subscribers.
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Wow another unfamiliar abandon tagged game in my notification - came here and check and immediately remember I played the initial release which was really nice and promising. In my opinion this one has sooo much more potential than his other game which I also tried and couldn't really get into.
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To rephrase the developer's statements: he mentioned significant financial costs associated with CoD, a majority of donors on Patreon supporting the idea of stopping CoD to focus exclusively on WR development, a notable lack of success for CoD (with only ten new subscribers on Patreon and a total failure on Itch.io).
The developer also ran into difficulties with the game on an update, reportedly losing quite a lot of the game's content. Add this kind of discouragement to the game's lack of success, and it undoubtedly played a part in convincing him to stop production of Crown of Desire.
What's more, it seems that many of the members on the developer's Discord have taken the CoD shutdown in good heart, indicating, at best, a certain disinterest in the game. In view of all these factors, it's hard to imagine a return to CoD in the future, as the game is just as likely to fail even if postponed, and a good deal of time will have elapsed by then.
I'm quote again here the answers I got from the dev on Discord, in case anyone missed them on the previous page/on my first post.
WR is short for Wicked Rouge or Wicked Rouge Refine, the very first game from developer fidless, and “Refine” is the remake version of this game still in development. This game is the developer's main selling point on Patreon, having built up a loyal subscriber base over several years.
Wicked Rouge and Crown of Desire are two games that have probably been competing for donors' attention on Patreon, with the former being in place for longer than the latter, so to speak, it has won the game, while CoD has not attracted many new players/donors.
Both games, Wicked Rouge and Crown of Desire, offer unique experiences and do not follow the same structure.
Wicked Rouge combines elements of management, RPG, and combat, where the story plays a secondary role to the gameplay mechanics.
Crown of Desire, on the other hand, takes a more narrative-driven approach, devoid of management elements. Its combat mechanics are simpler and shift away from the RPG genre, placing a strong emphasis on the story, which is central to this visual novel-style game.
Personally, I enjoy both games, but I have a preference for those that provide a compelling story and place narrative at the core of the game's progression. Hence, my interest naturally leans more towards Crown of Desire.
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I do not have any high hopes for this developer.
1. COD killed off before it even got a start
2. WR killed off and remake changing story because of a few idots yelling about NTR in a brothel game... WTF?
New story is not as interesting and it just put the game way behind the original.
He destroys entire games for a few Patreons and than loses followers because of it. Look at how many more likes the original Wicked Rouge game got 703 likes with 1.9M views but than he goes fucking changing the story and loses followers down to 451 likes and 1.2 million views.
I feel this developer is a failure and just milking his Patreons and will never complete a game. I fear he will be another developer that will milk the Patreons and never finish a game ruining it for the real developers that finish a game and actually release in a timely manner.
Nobody will ever support this developer as he is another con developer you can tell by this page alone. He is a failed wishy washy developer does not stand his ground and lets other guide the game down wrong path. The game will be crap as he as a developer won't stay on track and it will lose focus on the story completely.
1. COD killed off before it even got a start
2. WR killed off and remake changing story because of a few idots yelling about NTR in a brothel game... WTF?
New story is not as interesting and it just put the game way behind the original.
He destroys entire games for a few Patreons and than loses followers because of it. Look at how many more likes the original Wicked Rouge game got 703 likes with 1.9M views but than he goes fucking changing the story and loses followers down to 451 likes and 1.2 million views.
I feel this developer is a failure and just milking his Patreons and will never complete a game. I fear he will be another developer that will milk the Patreons and never finish a game ruining it for the real developers that finish a game and actually release in a timely manner.
Nobody will ever support this developer as he is another con developer you can tell by this page alone. He is a failed wishy washy developer does not stand his ground and lets other guide the game down wrong path. The game will be crap as he as a developer won't stay on track and it will lose focus on the story completely.
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It's hard for me to comment on the original Wicked Rouge, as I simply didn't play it at the time. I think I vaguely tried Hentai Punch, but I don't remember much about it.
I've seen fierce debates about the new version of WR, but I didn't really pay much attention to them. I do remember heated discussions about Fudeyo, including her change of look and her loss of love interest status.
Arguments about NTR and cheating in WR and Refine were also frequent. I share your opinion on these often unnecessary quarrels linked to NTR, especially in a game that deals with the management of a brothel and its prostitutes.
In my opinion, this debate is mainly irrelevant. Plus, if you don't like this type of content, you can always skip the relevant scenes in most games, or choose another AVN. For me, an AVN comes down to a story, sex and, at heart, it's fiction.
I don't take the actions of a character in an erotic or pornographic work personally, and I struggle to understand those who can't make the distinction to the point of some form of crisis or existential anguish. But let's move on: I'm not interested in this battle for or against NTR, which has become more of an annoying background noise on this site than anything else.
If the developer gives in easily to the loud pleas of a few donors on Patreon to, as you say, remove content or drastically reorient its games, that's very regrettable indeed.
Personally, I prefer developers who remain true to their vision and maintain consistency throughout the production of their game. However, I can't overlook the underlying economic realities and the pressures that can sometimes be exerted by the public, especially when they have financial power and a voice that can be heard.
It's unfortunate when such situations arise, but there aren't any straightforward solutions. Some developers opt for what they see as more reasonable or easier choices, and while we might not always agree with this approach, it’s understandable.
However, as I haven't closely followed the evolution of the developer's other games, I can't really say. I noticed on the Hentai Punch thread that someone made the same observation as you, pointing out that the developer launched new projects then abruptly stopped them shortly afterwards, which gives the impression that he didn't give them a chance.
Again, I can't really judge for this other game, but I share this feeling for CoD, where it's a major waste. Nor do I have enough evidence to say whether the developer is acting like a “milker” with his donors.
In any case, I rarely donate on Patreon and only give small sums on an occasional basis; I think there are more important spending items and I prefer finished products. Also, I don't really like what has become of this platform and its marketing policy in general.
Not knowing the developer in question very well and enjoying his games, I can't really pass judgment on him. I simply deplore the abandonment of a very promising game, and hope that the future will be better for him, as well as for gamers.
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Let me put up my full posting I did on WR.
Dev is a wishy washy developer and has dropped games left and right.. The first WR was much much better story wise, art wise, and battle wise. Dev being wishy washy would not just say shut up it's a brothel game which is there job and is not NTR. No Dev does not have the strength of mind and instead made this project which is really a failure of the original.
Dev has already dropped games 3 times so you can't believe in this developer a good developer will finish the original game even if a failure to prove to the people that they will complete a game and will not abandon the project you support. This developer has failed that test miserably that and because of this he will never really get very many Patreon followers.
Dev shitty track Record
Wicked Rouge Release Date: 10-21-2019 Abandoned: 6-24-2021 (restart a game after 2 years of development and many updates this is milking Patreons)
Crown of Desire Release Date: 5-3-2024 Abandoned: 11-1-2024 (abandoned in 6 months so another failure as dev and belief in them as a dev)
Wicked Rouge Refine Release Date: 10-18-2021 (character design downgrade not as sexy, battle downgrade, and story downgrade came out)
The moment this developer did the remake on the first release for no reason at all was the moment he lost many followers faith in the developer. Once you go and pull a stunt like that you have destroyed any reputation you had and majority of the people will not believe enough to support them.
Dev has already dropped games 3 times so you can't believe in this developer a good developer will finish the original game even if a failure to prove to the people that they will complete a game and will not abandon the project you support. This developer has failed that test miserably that and because of this he will never really get very many Patreon followers.
Dev shitty track Record
Wicked Rouge Release Date: 10-21-2019 Abandoned: 6-24-2021 (restart a game after 2 years of development and many updates this is milking Patreons)
Crown of Desire Release Date: 5-3-2024 Abandoned: 11-1-2024 (abandoned in 6 months so another failure as dev and belief in them as a dev)
Wicked Rouge Refine Release Date: 10-18-2021 (character design downgrade not as sexy, battle downgrade, and story downgrade came out)
The moment this developer did the remake on the first release for no reason at all was the moment he lost many followers faith in the developer. Once you go and pull a stunt like that you have destroyed any reputation you had and majority of the people will not believe enough to support them.
Wicked Rouge Refine was really consistant with the updates.
He really was doing good with that game, and the dev was also on this forum to interact.
I think he got pissed at people asking him to make it like the previous version so he left (that's what I heard) so the updates here become less consistant and we had to wait for someone to leak it.
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Indeed, that's the feeling that emerges from the developer's interactions with some unpleasant people here. As you can see on the Wicked Rouge Refine thread, it looks like this could be the last time he'll be participating in talks with the community on F95. It's very regrettable to see this, but I hope it won't deter him from pursuing his ventures as an AVN developer.
Sad to hear, this game looked very promising and much more promised compared to the devs other titles, fitting my aesthetic tastes more so was hoping this would take off better or at least be put on hold until things got back on track...
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This seems to have been the developer's initial wish, before he changed his mind and decided otherwise. As previously explained in the discussions here, the game had some bad luck after its release, with a succession of technical setbacks, a rather lukewarm reception, rewiew bombing and; for the small community still devoted to the dev, the wish to complete Wicked Rouge Refine as a priority and nothing else.
In the end, the dev undoubtedly lost all hope for the game and decided to cut costs rather than artificially keep alive a project that was obviously financially doomed, and he is working on his spare time and certainly prefers to prioritize what is of interest to him. Sadly, the game died before it could deliver its full potential, but that's the fate of many games around here.
Relations appear to be strained between the developer and part of its audience for a variety of reasons, with some reactions seeming particularly excessive. The developer also seems to be finding it difficult to make a place for itself in the AVN market and attract a wider audience, making it difficult to promote new games and launch other projects.
This is still a fairly competitive niche market, and it's difficult for most developers to make a living from this activity alone. Few are in a position to give up their core job in everyday life to devote themselves entirely to AVNs/Adult Games in general, and earn a sufficient income from it. That's something to keep in mind.
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Came to check up on the development of the game only to be greeted by the abandoned tag 
Had one of the best intros I've ever seen in a game, sad to see it ditched so soon
Had one of the best intros I've ever seen in a game, sad to see it ditched so soon
Developer started worrying about what they wanted changed. As a Developer you have to have some limits. Look the best I will do is make this optional. No this game is a Brothel game so get out of here with that is NTR! Brothel is a legitimate job in that era and it was not NTR so shut up about NTR if you do not like it don't play it. But if you try to placate and cater than the game will go nowhere and fail stupid deaths like his other game Wicked Rouge!
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I haven't followed the development of his other game, Wicked Rouge, nor the controversies surrounding the NTR, in particular. As for making certain types of content optional or not, that is entirely up to the developers in their games. Nevertheless, I'm not opposed to it if it helps satisfy as many people as possible, but it depends on the targeted audience and their various expectations, as well as the developer to want to do it or not.
I'm not sure what you're getting at regarding the NTR, nor if you're addressing me when you say that. I’ve said and repeated several times that I oppose those who accuse the game of having NTR and criticize it for that reason, just because the girls at the brothel have sex with their clients, which is simply their job, nothing more.
I've criticized the negative feedback and passionate opinions surrounding this endless debate on F95, about NTR, which seems meaningless to me. Whether there is NTR in a game or not, I believe no one is forced to play a game whose content they don't like, and as long as it is clearly stated (in the OP and by the dev), I don't see the problem. Besides, the option to skip many type of content is usually available in many games.
Furthermore, I condemn personal attacks against those who enjoy this type of content and any attempts at kinkshaming. Everyone is free to appreciate different types of adult content on this site; after all, it is supposed to be an open space dedicated to discussions around these themes and AVNs (among other things).
I’m convinced that on this site, we can have calm discussions without getting aggressive, with respect, tolerance, and open-mindedness—adult discussions among adults, if you know what I mean.
I’m more divided on your last point; it’s both a matter of perception and personal opinion. However, I recognize that it’s quite difficult to satisfy everyone in an audience that is inherently very divided with varying expectations. There’s a risk in trying to meet or respond to the expectations of different groups, whose desires can sometimes be contradictory.
That said, of course, it’s not that simple, and the developer must necessarily make choices that won’t please everyone. The success of a game depends on many factors, some of which are very volatile. Additionally, it’s a competitive and quite complicated business.
I’m not blaming the developer, and certainly not solely him if that were the case. The public also clearly has its responsibilities in escalating the debate around Wicked Rouge, and some of the positions taken seem rather misleading and in bad faith to me.
I'm not sure what you're getting at regarding the NTR, nor if you're addressing me when you say that. I’ve said and repeated several times that I oppose those who accuse the game of having NTR and criticize it for that reason, just because the girls at the brothel have sex with their clients, which is simply their job, nothing more.
I've criticized the negative feedback and passionate opinions surrounding this endless debate on F95, about NTR, which seems meaningless to me. Whether there is NTR in a game or not, I believe no one is forced to play a game whose content they don't like, and as long as it is clearly stated (in the OP and by the dev), I don't see the problem. Besides, the option to skip many type of content is usually available in many games.
Furthermore, I condemn personal attacks against those who enjoy this type of content and any attempts at kinkshaming. Everyone is free to appreciate different types of adult content on this site; after all, it is supposed to be an open space dedicated to discussions around these themes and AVNs (among other things).
I’m convinced that on this site, we can have calm discussions without getting aggressive, with respect, tolerance, and open-mindedness—adult discussions among adults, if you know what I mean.
I’m more divided on your last point; it’s both a matter of perception and personal opinion. However, I recognize that it’s quite difficult to satisfy everyone in an audience that is inherently very divided with varying expectations. There’s a risk in trying to meet or respond to the expectations of different groups, whose desires can sometimes be contradictory.
That said, of course, it’s not that simple, and the developer must necessarily make choices that won’t please everyone. The success of a game depends on many factors, some of which are very volatile. Additionally, it’s a competitive and quite complicated business.
I’m not blaming the developer, and certainly not solely him if that were the case. The public also clearly has its responsibilities in escalating the debate around Wicked Rouge, and some of the positions taken seem rather misleading and in bad faith to me.
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I was following the games when the change was made. The NTR stuff isn’t the driver behind the switch. The dev basically believed the story of the original game was not good and wanted to focus more on that than the brothel sim and management aspect of the game. He had also become a much better dev over the years and felt that he could much better design the systems from scratch instead of trying to bolt in pieces to the original so he started over.
where the NTR nonsense became an issue is when he did start over, a lot of the content that had lead to tireless complaining never was remade because he didn’t want to deal with it.
I think both of those are what lead to CoD. A desire to be more story focused and avoid the ntr bs that plagues this forum. Unfortunately some poor decisions were made that caused things to not work out. Live and learn
where the NTR nonsense became an issue is when he did start over, a lot of the content that had lead to tireless complaining never was remade because he didn’t want to deal with it.
I think both of those are what lead to CoD. A desire to be more story focused and avoid the ntr bs that plagues this forum. Unfortunately some poor decisions were made that caused things to not work out. Live and learn
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Indeed, I know that NTR wasn’t the primary reason behind the developer’s decision to remake Wicked Rouge. I’ve also read his latest post in the thread.
He removed the controversial content during the game's overhaul, which, while divisive, is understandable—he simply wanted to move on from that ongoing issue.
That said, I disagree with your last point. It’s reasonable to assume that Crown of Desire was meant to focus on rich storytelling, which was one of the shortcomings of Wicked Rouge Refine, as I mentioned earlier in the thread.
However, if you read through the previous pages, you’ll see complaints about the main love interest in CoD potentially sleeping with the protagonist’s other conquests, which was part of the plan. Some people cried out about NTR, but it was really intended as a sharing dynamic and as classical harem dynamic, where it would only occur in the protagonist's presence and could likely be skipped (according to the developer).
The reasons behind the game's failure are multifaceted and not easily measured. Communication errors were probably made, and it may not have been the right time to release a new game. There were also sabotages, such as false reports on itch.io, and a cold reception from the community. Some people even seemed relieved that CoD would stop, as long as WR continued.
It seems the public never gave the new project a fair chance, with reactions ranging from indifference to hostility. In my opinion, the game might have had a better chance if the developer had released it under a different pseudonym and perhaps on a different platform, given the deteriorated relationship with his audience.
I don’t believe the failure of CoD and the cuts made in Wicked Rouge Refine are solely the developer’s fault. Based on his post, the cuts were a result of development challenges and negative pressure from the audience, with story and content sacrificed as result. While the developer seems determined to finish WR, I suspect he may not continue in the AVN space. It’s not unreasonable to think this experience could discourage him from pursuing this path in the future.
That would be unfortunate, but given his strained relationship with the audience, continuing in the AVN scene seems risky and lacks promising prospects. We’ll see what happens—after all, I can’t predict the future, and I might be wrong.
In a word, it's regrettable that this situation has arisen around two games that looked very promising. We'll never know what these games could have become under better conditions for the developer.
Nevertheless, it's a somewhat complex market with strong competition, and standing out from others and winning over a specific audience is not easy. Moreover, we must consider the potential consequences of strained relationships with that audience, regardless of which party is responsible for the situation.