VN Ren'Py Culture Shock [Ch. 3 v1.5 SE] [King of lust]

[armion82]

I think the devs should only take Patreon exclusive polls into account when developing their game. Those who are unable to put their money where their mouth is are free to have their opinions. But that's just what they are: opinions. If majority of patreons love NTR the game should focus on the beta path, if it's the opposite the game should focus on the alpha path for that particular update. Even though I love NTR if a particular update was based on Patreon polls I wouldn't complain much. Because money talks and the market decides on the final features of a product. Otherwise this trying to make everyone happy approach is kind of unrealistic and unstable although it looks cool on the paper.

/Just my two cents

Not a good idea.Because that way only the patrons that are paying most in the moment will get content.And that will definitely make him lose the other half of patrons.It will be same wasy as Milfy City-there we have polls and the winner always was Caroline/leave aside the fact she is my favorite from the game/ or Linda.And other girls don't get any content.

 

[Deleted member 398727]

Not a good idea.Because that way only the patrons that are paying most in the moment will get content.And that will definitely make him lose the other half of patrons.It will be same wasy as Milfy City-there we have polls and the winner always was Caroline/leave aside the fact she is my favorite from the game/ or Linda.And other girls don't get any content.

Hmm. What about this? Instead of polls create two Patreon classes with the same price and with optional higher price classes for each, one is for alpha path and the other is for beta path. That way they can see the distribution of their Patrons. And you can even ask exclusive questions for that path so one path's patreons won't poison the other path. It would also work as a gamification dynamic, encouraging non-paying players to be a patreon if they want to see development in a particular path.

 

[armion82]

Hmm. What about this? Instead of polls create two Patreon classes with the same price and with optional higher price classes for each, one is for alpha path and the other is for beta path. That way they can see the distribution of their Patrons. And you can even ask exclusive questions for that path so one path's patreons won't poison the other path. It would also work as a gamification dynamic, encouraging non-paying players to be a patreon if they want to see development in a particular path.

That can work only if all paths were equal.Sadly we are far away from that.They are sill in damage control step and probably it will take at least 6 more months before the routes have equal progress.

 

[disimulated]

I'm in favor of devs developing the game they want. They're the artist, they're the creator, it's their narrative. A lot of first-time devs have a story that they want to share with the world and I want them to share that in as pure a form as their imagination dreams it.

I'll make comments and suggestions, but I only expect the dev to adopt those if it helps them to share their story more effectively. I'm a patron, but I don't intend my payment to influence the dev or story, except to encourage them to continue telling it.

 

[DarkKaiba666]

The Devs should make they game they want to make lol. That always leads to the best outcome. Not necessarily the one that everyone wants, but the best one everyone could ever get.

 

[Endless]

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Next Updates Info..

hello everyone,
I got news regarding the next updates. we have two updates coming on the way one in January and another in February.
January update
we are planning to add music and sounds from day1 till day17. we are going to expand the stats page more(you will surely like this) and also going to add many new variables and stuffs in the game. This means the old saves from the last update will not work properly from now on. so this update will be mandatory to play to make your saves for future updates. it will be released in mid of this month. this update will almost fix every error from past updates and also will re adjust thing which will have outcome in future. after this we will not go back again.
February update
Me and throwaway are already working for the feb update. this update will be the same as we'll be making the story progression for day18 and day19.

Thank you
king

 

[ViperDevlin44]

Reading through this thread I have to laugh and shake my head as people do not seem to understand what they are arguing for, or against.
Now this post will probably trigger some fanboys and cause people to fly off the handle, but before you start writing irate posts. take a moment and really think about what I am writing here and even do the research and fact check what I write.
NTR, or Netorare literally translates from Japanese to English as Cheating or Cuckold depending on the translator.
Merriam Webster's Dictionary defines Cheating as: to be sexually unfaithful.
Merriam Webster's Dictionary defines Cuckold as: a man whose wife is unfaithful
Merriam Webster's Dictionary defines Unfaithful as: not adhering to vows, allegiance, or duty and also: not faithful to marriage vows,
If you research Netorare in a story line context (which would be this game) you will find the definition that states: netorare storylines typically focus on the internal distress caused by one member IN A RELATIONSHIP cheating on the other.
By defining the words, we can conclude that they refer to aspects of a ROMANTIC OR COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP, and straying from that relationship.
This story, wants you to believe that the NTR is between the MC, Mother, and Sister. However, there is no romantic or committed relationship between them on either path. Without the romantic or committed relationship, there is no cheating, no cuckhold, No NTR in this game. The only thing you have is Voyeurism. After a year and a half of working on this game, the writer and developer have failed to create any kind of committed relationship between the MC, Mother, and Sister on either path. Although with the recent updates the "alpha" path is closer than the "beta NTR" path to have a committed relationship between them.
But as far as this being an NTR Game, well it is a failure because the foundation of NTR is straying from a committed relationship of one of the parties to that committed relationship, which the writer and developer have failed to establish.
So why so much argument over Voyeurism? Because by definition, that is really all there is on the "beta" path.
The Alpha path could be argued to have NTR as the MC has a "girlfriend" and yet is sexually active with other women. This is closer to NTR than anything on the "Beta" path. But if the goal was to be between the Mc, Mother, and Sister well the game is a failure there.

Again, think about the definitions, think about the story. I mean really think about them, before flying off the handle and writing irate responses. I'm sure with this being the internet that is too much to expect, but anyway.

You might be right i wouldn't know i have yet to do the research needed to have a logical argument. That being said we as the players at least some of us are invested in the mc and to see the mother and sister with others upsets us. Yes there is no true relationship beyond family but this is porn since when does logic ever factor in to it

 

[Alandira]

You might be right i wouldn't know i have yet to do the research needed to have a logical argument. That being said we as the players at least some of us are invested in the mc and to see the mother and sister with others upsets us. Yes there is no true relationship beyond family but this is porn since when does logic ever factor in to it

That is true, logic usually does not traditionally factor into porn. But then again, the purpose of porn is to entertain and to facilitate resolving a "need" in a persons life. I personally do not find things that upset me to be entertaining, so why continue to play? There is also the "alpha" path where you do not have to see the mother and sister with others and become upset and can be entertained. If the progress is too slow (with mother and sister), suspend any pledge you might be providing and put the game away for a while. Come back after a few months and check the progress. If the progress isn't where you would like, step away again and keep checking later.
I can understand that we live in a "Now" society where everyone wants instant gratification, but vote with your dollars. It's the "Golden Rule" after all. For those wondering the golden rule is "He who controls the gold makes the rules". All of those players that want more content with mom and sis on the "alpha" path, suspend your pledges or contributions until more content is provided to you.
I'm not defending anything about this game on either path. To me the game is a failure because after a year and a half it has not accomplished anything it set out to do. There is no content with mom and sis, there is no harem, there is no NTR. So really, after being in development for so long it has failed all of the major points that draw people to these games. And all you really have is just what you mentioned, Porn, in cartoon fashion. So if the porn you are watching is not to your liking, change the channel.

On a side note the people that probably should be upset are those on the "beta" path. They have been lied to and conned into believing they are getting NTR when really all they are getting is voyeurism. To me, being lied to and conned is a reason to be upset. Now before those on the "alpha" path start saying you were lied to and conned also, it was said near the early posts on this thread that the mom and sis content would be a "slow burn". Which is political BS for barely any content. So you were not lied to or conned, you were told early on that you would be getting very little content.

 

[magus448]

As you stated that is what is means to YOU. Those feelings of a brother wanting to protect his sister and son wanting to protect his mother are part of a natural family relationship and do not constitute cheating. That is not how Netorare is defined though, but rather how you interpret it. As it is defined what happens in this game is not NTR. Part of the problem is with the translation to English. The English language is very limited when compared to other languages because the English language does not convey concepts the same way other languages do. This is one of the best Explanations of the NTR concept that I have found so far:

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It's a genre of adult manga or hentai. It should be defined as CHEATING/Unfaithful/Adultery.

It is too often INCORRECTLY defined as "

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". However true readers of the genre know that cuckholding is just a sub-element and a fetish. A fetish where one likes to watch their significant other,

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(usually sexual) with another person.

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) however the the a bf/gf/wife/husband Do Not have to make a appearance in the story whatsoever. They often Do Not Ever find out about the betrayal. In some

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the cheated on individual may end up in a situation where they are forced to watch there significant other cheat on them. To go slightly further. Some ntr is known as

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. This can also be defined as Cheating. Except it's from the point of view of the individual stealing away the heart of someone already in a relationship. Once again the gf/bf/wife/husband never has to make a appearance in this type of story.

For the illiterate/

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is just Cheating NOT

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. The individual being cheated on may never find out or even be shown in the story.

A sub-element at best seldom/sometimes used, Cuckholding is a fetish. About an individual's desire/want to be cheated on by their significant other.
Netorare can be seen daytime soap operas. Whenever someone cheats on somebody.
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in a daytime soap opera.

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can even be mutually desired in

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relationship.

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The Mother and sister are not Cheating or being unfaithful to the MC at all. Since the definition states that the bf/gf/wife/husband often do not find out, they would never have the feelings so the feelings should not be the source of NTR but rather the act of cheating which is not present without a romantic relationship. The MCs feelings of the situation and being upset can be attributed to natural family bonds that do not qualify as NTR. They can also be attributed to envy cause he wants to be the one they are doing things with, but envy in itself should not be consider NTR.

So let me ask you this, If you see a family member, son, daughter, mother, with someone that is treating them bad and want to protect them from that person, is NTR happening to you?

And yet there are countless ntr manga about people not in relationships, just one character has a romantic interest in another. You sure your source isn't also getting it incorrect? Or everyone not Japanese has it wrong.

 

[Dependable_223]

Then you should post these under fanart instead of spamming this original thread.. you do realise their is fanart section right ???

 

[lockhear]

Then you should post these under fanart instead of spamming this original thread.. you do realise their is fanart section right ???

For this game? I must overlooked it. I apologize, it will never happen again. Deleting my last fanart.

 

[Dependable_223]

their are other threads for this talk about what ntr really means. right now we are only waiting for a new game update.

 

[-KC-]

This is not the place for general NTR discussions and most of you should know better than to derail a thread with this crap!

 

[Endless]

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Culture shock chapter 2 v0.15

This is a mandatory update. You have to play it if you want to progress in further updates. Old saves won't work so start a new game.

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Change log
Added music and sounds
Stats expanded
" Added all most every main character on the stats "
" Added all character descriptions "
" Added new variable stat named dating "
Few previous and old bugs fixed..

 

[numanumani]

What does " Added all most every main character on the stats " mean?

 

[I.W.]

What does " Added all most every main character on the stats " mean?

Would assume theres a stats page now based on that message.

 

[Sgt. M]

Just tried the latest update, it wont turn on and i get an error message instead. Anyone else having the same problem?

 

[Sgt. M]

Never mind, I just deleted the previous version and re downloaded the new one. Now it works fine, really like what was done to the stats screen.

 

[ViperDevlin44]

so just so i understand there is no new content merely a redesign of the stats and character bios

 

[the66]

just fyi, i've updated my unofficial android port of Culture Shock Chapter2v0.15.