RPGM Daily Lives of My Countryside [v0.3.3.1] [Milda Sento]

[Joey's Conscience]

Ah, now here's some interesting topics of discussion: the moral and ethical principles of actions taken toward characters in media and how people that consume that media react to it.

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For some reason adult media somehow ends up with ethical and moral rules applied differently than other media, which has always been strange to me. In a fictional story people can be described as graphically killing, having sex in bizarre ways, committing bestiality or incest or even abusing children, and all of this only serves to provoke responses from the consumers of that story. People can appreciate the emotions it provokes in them, become invested, and are often strongly influenced by the story as a result.
But if you dare try to do the exact same thing, but in a setting that is supposed to provide sexual gratification to the consumer? Oh, people react much more strongly, and rules get applied more strictly.
I think it's nonsense. If you create a person in your mind that only exists in there, you can do whatever you want to that person without hurting anyone, and think and feel about it however you like. That should not be unethical nor immoral. Likewise, writing down what you do to the person in your mind still doesn't hurt anyone, and should not be wrong. Even if you draw or animate that person, it's still a fictional person that doesn't think, feel or have rights. Traditional media try to convey thoughts and feelings to consumers in one way, and is regarded as perfectly acceptable; adult media try to convey (often the same) thoughts and feelings to consumers another way, and is regarded as unacceptable. As I said: it's nonsense. All fiction should be free to be whatever its creator wants it to be, as long as it is purely fictitious.

And that's not even going into factors of style (where a creator's art-style may genuinely just tend to make people look very young or old regardless of age, intentionally or unintentionally) and in-universe deviations from the norms of ours (such as where one condition or another (genetic manipulation, vampirism, being an elf/fairy/whatever) might make it so that characters can appear a different age than they actually are).
Getting up in arms over things you don't agree with or are unethical in fiction is pointless. It's not real. The story as a cohesive entity is real, and if a particular event or character detracts from the story I think calling it out is proper, but really... having sex with a fairy, regardless of what she happens to look like, is entirely in line with the story of this game. I'm not personally looking forward to it (though I will freely admit that what I want the most is more Anna-content, preferably something that involves better, consensual, less expensive vaginal penetration), but bemoaning how wrong it is or how sick people are for potentially enjoying it is pointless.

Pixie isn't real; it can't hurt you, and you can't hurt it. Everybody wins.

I think there's a couple of problems with this argument, and you kinda already said one yourself. Whenever taboo content is presented in other media, it is usually, like you said, in service of a plot, or to elicit an emotional (generally negative) response from the consumer. Whenever a rape scene is depicted in fiction, most of the time, it's meant to evoke anger and disgust. In porn, these are meant to evoke arousal and pleasure. Those are very different things.

Another thing is that you make it seem like people are fine with whatever taste you have, except when it comes to porn, which isnt really true. You can get looked down upon by the the movies you watch, the music you hear, and so on... If I open a stranger's notebook and saw a bunch of drawings of mutilated corpses, I'll sure as hell stay away from that person. That's all fiction, I don't know if he actually hurt anybody or even has a desire to. But that raises a red flag for me. Same when I know a person enjoys fucking underage looking girls in a fictional environment.

I personally don't understand someone that wants pedos dead, but gets aroused if the situation is fictional. To me it's not even a matter of morals, a girl that looks like a minor and acts like a child should simply be sexually unappealing, regardless if they're real, 3D or drawings.

But that's just my opinion, as long as you keep it in fiction, whatever. Just don't expect NOT to get judged by stuff like that, you get judged by everything. If I go around saying I jerk off to drawings I'd get judged, let alone if said drawing looked like a 12 yo.

 

[MadGenuis]

I think there's a couple of problems with this argument, and you kinda already said one yourself. Whenever taboo content is presented in other media, it is usually, like you said, in service of a plot, or to elicit an emotional (generally negative) response from the consumer. Whenever a rape scene is depicted in fiction, most of the time, it's meant to evoke anger and disgust. In porn, these are meant to evoke arousal and pleasure. Those are very different things.

Another thing is that you make it seem like people are fine with whatever taste you have, except when it comes to porn, which isnt really true. You can get looked down upon by the the movies you watch, the music you hear, and so on... If I open a stranger's notebook and saw a bunch of drawings of mutilated corpses, I'll sure as hell stay away from that person. That's all fiction, I don't know if he actually hurt anybody or even has a desire to. But that raises a red flag for me. Same when I know a person enjoys fucking underage looking girls in a fictional environment.

I personally don't understand someone that wants pedos dead, but gets aroused if the situation is fictional. To me it's not even a matter of morals, a girl that looks like a minor should simply be sexually unappealing, regardless if they're real, 3D or drawings.

But that's just my opinion, as long as you keep it in fiction, whatever. Just don't expect NOT to get judged by stuff like that, you get judged by everything. If I go around saying I jerk off to drawings I'd get judged, let alone said drawing looked like a 12 yo.

Ah, see this is an argument. Even so it doesn't actually challenge the conclusion I came to, it just asserts that "even though you think something is one thing doesn't mean I can't think the opposite," which is entirely true. Every person can think as they like, and if they deem to share those thoughts then others may reach conclusions about you based on those thoughts. It's essentially the principle of freedom of speech: you can express yourself however you want, but you are still responsible for what you express.
I never said that people are, or should be, fine with whatever your tastes are. They are not, and should not be.

The only thing I disagree with, and which I actually take offense to, is that you say that you "don't understand someone that wants pedos dead, but gets aroused if the situation is fictional."
Because people who enjoy playing shooters also invariably enjoy actually shooting people, right?
There's a difference between reality and fantasy in that fantasy doesn't hurt anyone. Reality hurts people. Hurting people is bad.
I don't think I can express it more clearly than that.

 

[Joey's Conscience]

Because people who enjoy playing shooters also invariably enjoy actually shooting people, right?

You hear this a lot, but i think it's a flawed analogy that circles back to what I said at the beginning. There's a lot more layers to a shooter than just "killing people". I'd argue the act of "shooting" is the fun part. Hitting the target, dodging, finding cover, getting through the stage and so on... I don't take any particular pleasure in killing humans in a shooter, I kill aliens in Halo, demons in Doom... The gameplay has to be fun, the target is irrelevant. I can go to a shooting range IRL, shoot paper and have a lot of fun.

On the other hand, the female featured in porn is a lot more important to me, as I have to find her desirable. I'm not even getting into society's morals, or if someone is hurt or isn't. I don't find child fisique and behavior sexually attractive to me at all, and I belive no grown man should. That's how I see this issue, and how it works in my head. It's enterely possible that you have a completely different way of looking at things, but you'd have a very hard time trying to change my head.

The whole takeaway I think is something we can agree on. Who you are and someone's perception of you are 2 completely different things. There are things that will change people's perception of you, and there's not much you can do, even if they don't match reality. So there's not really a point in complaining that other people find it condemnable that you masturbate to cartoon children. Me and others will find it odd, that's life. Like I said, as long as you keep it in your pants when it comes to real children, we're good.

 

[MadGenuis]

You hear this a lot, but i think it's a flawed analogy that circles back to what I said at the beginning. There's a lot more layers to a shooter than just "killing people". I'd argue the act of "shooting" is the fun part. Hitting the target, dodging, finding cover, getting through the stage and so on... I don't take any particular pleasure in killing humans in a shooter, I kill aliens in Halo, demons in Doom... The gameplay has to be fun, the target is irrelevant. I can go to a shooting range IRL, shoot paper and have a lot of fun.

On the other hand, the female featured in porn is a lot more important to me, as I have to find her desirable. I'm not even getting into society's morals, or if someone is hurt or isn't. I don't find child fisique and behavior sexually attractive to me at all, and I belive no grown man should. That's how I see this issue, and how it works in my head. It's enterely possible that you have a completely different way of looking at things, but you'd have a very hard time trying to change my head.

The whole takeaway I think is something we can agree on. Who you are and someone's perception of you are 2 completely different things. There are things that will change people's perception of you, and there's not much you can do, even if they don't match reality. So there's not really a point in complaining that other people find it condemnable that you masturbate to cartoon children. Me and others will find it odd, that's life. Like I said, as long as you keep it in your pants when it come to real children, we're good.

See, disagreement doesn't have to lead to hostility. If more people engaged in civil discussion over shouting and violence, the world would be a much better place.
And as an aside to all of this, if it makes you feel any better, I personally don't actually find real children sexually attractive. The worst you could call me, if anything, would likely be an

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(attraction to mid-to-late teens) rather than

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(attraction to early-to-mid teens) or

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(attraction to pre-teens)... and even ephebophilia would be inaccurate as it denotes a "primary interest," which I do still direct at women my own age. For younger than that I find the concept disturbing and repulsive in real life and only appreciate them in fiction. I can't necessarily explain why that is, but there is that. Just so you might feel a little appeased that I, at least, am not some looming predatory danger just waiting for the day I reach my limit and unleash my depravity upon the world.

But I digress; I wouldn't want to get off topic. I'd still really like to see more content with Anna for the game, and more consensual content for it in general.

 

[Jesus sideral carrion]

Can someone explain to me why this thread became a witch hunt against lolis, I know, they seem minor but remember that it is a fictional game, they don't hurt anyone if there is content with that, why do they take themselves so seriously if a game has lolis, bestiality, ntr or rape. I do not understand people who complain about something and it is they themselves who ask for something similar instead of enjoying a fictional game and that does not affect anyone in real life they prefer to complain and see why it is wrong I understand that their morals and the Ethics I don't agree with this but you can't just ignore this kind of thing and let others enjoy and
If someone asks lolis they are not my thing I prefer rape and ntr. postscript. how i hate google translate

 

[Claroquesi]

Ah, now here's some interesting topics of discussion: the moral and ethical principles of actions taken toward characters in media and how people that consume that media react to it.

Spoiler: Qualifier for my arguments

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For some reason adult media somehow ends up with ethical and moral rules applied differently than other media, which has always been strange to me. In a fictional story people can be described as graphically killing, having sex in bizarre ways, committing bestiality or incest or even abusing children, and all of this only serves to provoke responses from the consumers of that story. People can appreciate the emotions it provokes in them, become invested, and are often strongly influenced by the story as a result.
But if you dare try to do the exact same thing, but in a setting that is supposed to provide sexual gratification to the consumer? Oh, people react much more strongly, and rules get applied more strictly.
I think it's nonsense. If you create a person in your mind that only exists in there, you can do whatever you want to that person without hurting anyone, and think and feel about it however you like. That should not be unethical nor immoral. Likewise, writing down what you do to the person in your mind still doesn't hurt anyone, and should not be wrong. Even if you draw or animate that person, it's still a fictional person that doesn't think, feel or have rights. Traditional media try to convey thoughts and feelings to consumers in one way, and is regarded as perfectly acceptable; adult media try to convey (often the same) thoughts and feelings to consumers another way, and is regarded as unacceptable. As I said: it's nonsense. All fiction should be free to be whatever its creator wants it to be, as long as it is purely fictitious.

And that's not even going into factors of style (where a creator's art-style may genuinely just tend to make people look very young or old regardless of age, intentionally or unintentionally) and in-universe deviations from the norms of ours (such as where one condition or another (genetic manipulation, vampirism, being an elf/fairy/whatever) might make it so that characters can appear a different age than they actually are).
Getting up in arms over things you don't agree with or are unethical in fiction is pointless. It's not real. The story as a cohesive entity is real, and if a particular event or character detracts from the story I think calling it out is proper, but really... having sex with a fairy, regardless of what she happens to look like, is entirely in line with the story of this game. I'm not personally looking forward to it (though I will freely admit that what I want the most is more Anna-content, preferably something that involves better, consensual, less expensive vaginal penetration), but bemoaning how wrong it is or how sick people are for potentially enjoying it is pointless.

Pixie isn't real; it can't hurt you, and you can't hurt it. Everybody wins.

Oh hell yeah! Wikipedia Documment!

 

[Netox]

Nice argument. Still pedo tho

twitter comment on a hentai page, how far has the cancer gone?

 

[Claroquesi]

Can someone explain to me why this thread became a witch hunt against lolis, I know, they seem minor but remember that it is a fictional game, they don't hurt anyone if there is content with that, why do they take themselves so seriously if a game has lolis, bestiality, ntr or rape. I do not understand people who complain about something and it is they themselves who ask for something similar instead of enjoying a fictional game and that does not affect anyone in real life they prefer to complain and see why it is wrong I understand that their morals and the Ethics I don't agree with this but you can't just ignore this kind of thing and let others enjoy and
If someone asks lolis they are not my thing I prefer rape and ntr. postscript. how i hate google translate

Don’t worry dude, just wait for that notification of “thread cannot be found” and we go back to normal!

 

[Blua ido]

Let's change the topic

Anyone have a theory why callum lost his memory?

 

[MoodeJoode]

Is there like, a super incest patch out there or something? I've seen folks in this thread make references to his aunt and cousin actually being his mom and sister. If that's the case, why change it? You're gonna skirt pass tier 1 incest with tier 2 incest?? "Those damned patreon police will never find us now!"

 

[MadGenuis]

Let's change the topic

Anyone have a theory why callum lost his memory?

Eh, I mean, having a quick read-up on possible causes of retrograde amnesia, I have some serious doubts as to Callum's memory loss having any basis in what would cause such a thing in reality. Could be an infection, I suppose, but he seems too consistently well-adjusted to have gone through something extremely traumatic and doesn't appear to have any traces of severe injury...
My best guess is that it's either the cartoon "got bonked on the head"-version, or it's magic of some sort. The latter of which would indicate that it's intentional.

 

[Joey's Conscience]

Is there like, a super incest patch out there or something? I've seen folks in this thread make references to his aunt and cousin actually being his mom and sister. If that's the case, why change it? You're gonna skirt pass tier 1 incest with tier 2 incest?? "Those damned patreon police will never find us now!"

Either an honest mistake or just not knowing any better. The relationships are correct, the game is not on patreon and subscribestar allows incest content. Callum's mom sends a topless picture to him at the beginning, and she's supposed to appear again in version 2.6

 

[Jesus sideral carrion]

Let's change the topic

Anyone have a theory why callum lost his memory?

surely milda lamented at the last moment that the mc had his first time with mae so he said he has amnesia so he could change the story a bit and add more story with the mother. I hope Milda finds a good writer, she needs one.

 

[Joey's Conscience]

Let's change the topic

Anyone have a theory why callum lost his memory?

Was that even confirmed? You guys said he was supposed to forget he banged his mom right?
If that's the case, seems really unecessary to me. If Milda wants to take Callum x mom slowly, I think there's more logical ways to do it, like her not wanting to risk being caught by Daisy or something. I mean, Mae had sex with Callum years prior, and we went through a whole Mae update with no sex with her present self.
If you ask me, just start off mom with banging, and build up to callum x mom x daisy

 

[Loorenio]

Let's change the topic

Anyone have a theory why callum lost his memory?

guy got groomed into thinking what he does with his mom is normal. So he does not need to actively remember the great bang he had with his mom. now there are new women in his surroundings so he concentrates on them.

but thats just a theory. A PORN THEORY. AAAAAAAND CUT.

 

[Gido]

why most of the times i come to watch this thread there is always a discussion about something first it was about fucking animals now this. Bruh just enjoy the game

 

[Claroquesi]

I think is gonna be magic stuff since Milda said that there’s gonna be an explanation in the “pixie update”, just hope it’s not like: Callum was a magical creature all along
That will be so random…

 

[RebelZone]

holy shit guys just fap to the porn already, you're here on this site for that reason...

 

[Claroquesi]

holy shit guys just fap to the porn already, you're here on this site for that reason...

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[Loorenio]

holy shit guys just fap to the porn already, you're here on this site for that reason...

im only here for the lore.